60 g to 70 g Shaft

[Eric_Zweifel]

What effects positive or negative would I see going from a 65 to a 75 gram shaft?

 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Eric_Zweifel

[fozcycle]

Probably lose a few mph in your swing.

[cnosil]

10 hours ago, Eric_Zweifel said:

What effects positive or negative would I see going from a 65 to a 75 gram shaft?

 

Part will be player dependent.   You could gain speed or lose speed depending on how the swing impacts your sequencing.   You could get tired at the end of the round and not swing the club as well.   The additional total weight to the club may slow how you rotate the club and leave the face a bit more open.  
 

You may also want to check the actual weight since shaft weighting isn’t measured the same.  A 65 and 75 gram shaft may actually weigh pretty close to the same thing; a 65 gram shaft could actually weight 69 grams and a 75 gram shaft could weigh 70 grams.  If the shafts are different brands and models you now get into shaft profile and flex differences which would could significantly impact performance for you. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

Some 75 gram shafts play softer than their 65g shaft counterpart in the same flex. An example is the pin tour 65 x stiff.

The weight will affect each person differently. Many of them have been mentioned above. Only way to know for sure is to test the 75g version of the shaft in your driver 

[Lefty19]

Loaded question honestly... I ASSume every other variable is the same though? You need to check the IE profiles of what you're trying to accomplish- torque is a matter of feel as well. Are you staying the same torque etc.? Your brain might react differently based on what your body "feels" and your pre-determinations of going to a "heavier" or "lighter" shaft. Are you going to a 65x from a 75s, lot of unknowns.

 

Everything is dependent on what you need and what your swing brings to the table. Is going lighter going to bring a vast number of yards but at what cost? Will going lighter or heavier be conducive to your swing, strength etc.

 

David

[Joel C]

It is my understanding that a heavier shaft will produce a lower ball flight and potentially less spin.   My swing produces very high ball flight, when I got new clubs this past year I tested lighter and heavier shafts and although I am no tour pro, I did see a difference in ball flight.  Because of this I found I prefer heavier shafts then typical so I can get a more penetrating ball flight.   Everyone's swing is different though so I would test the 65g and 75g shafts and see which one best fits you and your swing. 

[dlow206]

What theoretically could happen doesn't always happen because of the human element and the human reaction to a change. Theoretically a stiffer profile shaft should reduce spin compared to a softer tip shaft for example. But when testing, I hit all the stout shafts about the same (spin too high) but then hit a softer profile and spin came down. It was because of how I react and my swing reacts to the stiffer profile vs. the softer. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

28 minutes ago, Joel C said:

It is my understanding that a heavier shaft will produce a lower ball flight and potentially less spin.   My swing produces very high ball flight, when I got new clubs this past year I tested lighter and heavier shafts and although I am no tour pro, I did see a difference in ball flight.  Because of this I found I prefer heavier shafts then typical so I can get a more penetrating ball flight.   Everyone's swing is different though so I would test the 65g and 75g shafts and see which one best fits you and your swing. 

It depends on the person I have used 60 and 70g in the exact same shaft model and there is no difference in ball flight. Shafts don’t change spin nearly as much as people want to think, same with flex. 

[NRJyzr]

On 12/1/2021 at 2:19 PM, dlow206 said:

What theoretically could happen doesn't always happen because of the human element and the human reaction to a change. Theoretically a stiffer profile shaft should reduce spin compared to a softer tip shaft for example. But when testing, I hit all the stout shafts about the same (spin too high) but then hit a softer profile and spin came down. It was because of how I react and my swing reacts to the stiffer profile vs. the softer. 

Well said.

Personally speaking, I've always swung sub-70g shafts slower.  At one time, 90g and up was where I had the most speed.  Even now, 60something and low 70s gram shafts tend to feel pretty light to me, in less than a good way.

[pakman92]

I just picked up Aldila Rogue White 130 MSI 70 on EBay.  I currently play the same shaft in 60 gram class.  I'll get to find out if I swing the heavier version better or worse.  I should have some results to post in about a week.

Edited January 8, 2022 by pakman92
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[Jweck21]

You will swing a heavier shaft slower but it may help you produce a more consistent swing. 

You should play the shaft weight that helps you stay on plain and make consistent swings. I want the lightest shaft that accomplishes this goal. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

40 minutes ago, Jweck21 said:

You will swing a heavier shaft slower but it may help you produce a more consistent swing. 

You should play the shaft weight that helps you stay on plain and make consistent swings. I want the lightest shaft that accomplishes this goal. 

Not true. Some may swing the heavier faster because of better mechanics. There’s very few absolutes in golf. A lighter shaft may cause someone to slow their swing because of feel and not wanting to lose the shot.

Agree that a golfer should play whatever club and shaft combo that lets them play the most consistent golf 

[Jweck21]

3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Not true. Some may swing the heavier faster because of better mechanics. There’s very few absolutes in golf. A lighter shaft may cause someone to slow their swing because of feel and not wanting to lose the shot.

Agree that a golfer should play whatever club and shaft combo that lets them play the most consistent golf 

If they're slowing their swing down then it is them manipulating the swing. If a person swings a 60gr shaft with the same effort they swing a 70gr shaft the 60gr shaft will move faster. A 70gr may give them added control and may yield longer and more consistent drives but that's due to consistency and efficiency, not speed. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

49 minutes ago, Jweck21 said:

If they're slowing their swing down then it is them manipulating the swing. If a person swings a 60gr shaft with the same effort they swing a 70gr shaft the 60gr shaft will move faster. A 70gr may give them added control and may yield longer and more consistent drives but that's due to consistency and efficiency, not speed. 

exactly they’re manipulating the swing because the lighter shaft isn’t a fit for them and they can’t.l swing the 60g with the same effort because they would lose control of the face and thus the ball. The heavier shaft for these golfers not only gives them better control but also produces faster swing speed and ball speed. I’ve seen it in person on a launch monitor. 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

16 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

exactly they’re manipulating the swing because the lighter shaft isn’t a fit for them and they can’t.l swing the 60g with the same effort because they would lose control of the face and thus the ball. The heavier shaft for these golfers not only gives them better control but also produces faster swing speed and ball speed. I’ve seen it in person on a launch monitor. 

Totally agree. I start to lose 60g shafts. Although I am experimenting with linear shafts at 60g range with added stiffness to see if I can gain control and speed. Seemed to work with smoke green. If it doesn’t, then back to 70g stiffer profiles. 

[drb1956]

As you get heavier, the shafts tend to get "firmer". I use a 65g vs. a 55g, both in regular flex, on my driver, to keep my back swing from getting too fast. Also, heavier does give more "control", to keep you in the fairway. The stock shaft was a 55g, but it felt a little whippy, and I was flying it all over the fairway. With the 65g, I feel in control. Might be losing a few yards, but in the fairway more. I go back to the 55g from time to time, just to remind myself of what I have. Been flighting the ball pretty high lately, and thinking of adjusting my driver down to 9.5*,(10.5* turned to 10* currently) and puting the 55g back in to see if ball flight lowers, but will carry more. Just some fidgeting to clear my mind of the variables...

[RickyBobby_PR]

6 hours ago, drb1956 said:

Also, heavier does give more "control", to keep you in the fairway.

Not a hard and fast rule. Too heavy and it could change a persons mechanics. 

 

6 hours ago, drb1956 said:

As you get heavier, the shafts tend to get "firmer". I use a 65g vs. a 55g, both in regular flex, on my driver, to keep my back swing from getting too fast.

Depends on brand. Example is Ping tour 75x is softer than the Ping tour 65x.

 

6 hours ago, drb1956 said:

The stock shaft was a 55g, but it felt a little whippy, and I was flying it all over the fairway. With the 65g, I feel in control.

This is more likely due to the EI profile bs the weight. What are the 55 and 65g shafts?

[revkev]

This was a topic of discussion in yesterday's round.  All I could think about when I read 75 grams in the original post was, I'd be exhausted at the end of the round. But that's me and as others have pointed out its actual weight might be closer to 70 while the shaft in the mid 60's might be closer to 70 as well.

 

Actual mid 50's and I will actually have trouble leaving the face open (because I get to the ball too early) mid 40's and I'm all over the place, hooks, pushes, but man its pretty on that one that I nut.  Mid 60's actually tends to work best for me depending upon the shaft itself.  I will swing it faster than a shaft in the 50's because I feel like I can go after it, it tends to reduce the spin a bit.

 

There's probably several different right shafts, weights and flexes for the OP depending upon the head that its in and loft that its set at.  It's a crazy game with tons of options out there.  Good luck.

[Pouetvl11]

As other stated, you will see when you try it. For me, heavier shaft lower my swing speed for the exact same swing. Heavier shaft allow me to be more aggressive, increase my tempo which can also increase swing speed. If I swing with a slow tempo, 60g goes way better, if I swing with a fast tempo, heavier shaft goes better. I'm just more consistent with lighter shaft in general.

As for my friend its the opposite. As soon as he play a heavier shaft, his drive become extremely consistent vs the 60g.

[IONEPUTT]

LOTS of opinions posted here but FEW facts or test data has been given. The TRUTH is that only YOU can find out IF you do your own TESTING and see what you find out. I've been tested on a launch monitor with 55,65 75 grams shafts and I got the exact same 104 MPH swing speed with all three shaft weights. That was over 15 years ago, and I have NOT found this to change over the years. THAT'S ME. What YOU will see if anyone's guess. ONLY way to know is to try some different weight shafts and SEE what YOU get with each. I recently purchased 3 new 78 gram driver shafts to try out in my 2 Callaway drivers I picked up this spring. For ME, a 75 grams class shaft just works best for me and I get the same swing speed and MORE consistency control with that weight shaft in my drivers. 

And for what it's worth. I swing my 85 grams shaft fairway woods FASTER than I swing my longer and lighter driver. Don't ask me why as I don't really know why, I just know that I do it. Could explain why I averaged 255 yards total off the tee with my 5 wood last time I was out on the course. 

TEST both and see what YOU get and forget what others have told you. It's YOUR game and what works for YOU that matters. 

[GolfSpy BOS]

3 hours ago, IONEPUTT said:

LOTS of opinions posted here but FEW facts or test data has been given. The TRUTH is that only YOU can find out IF you do your own TESTING and see what you find out. I've been tested on a launch monitor with 55,65 75 grams shafts and I got the exact same 104 MPH swing speed with all three shaft weights. That was over 15 years ago, and I have NOT found this to change over the years. THAT'S ME. What YOU will see if anyone's guess. ONLY way to know is to try some different weight shafts and SEE what YOU get with each. I recently purchased 3 new 78 gram driver shafts to try out in my 2 Callaway drivers I picked up this spring. For ME, a 75 grams class shaft just works best for me and I get the same swing speed and MORE consistency control with that weight shaft in my drivers. 

And for what it's worth. I swing my 85 grams shaft fairway woods FASTER than I swing my longer and lighter driver. Don't ask me why as I don't really know why, I just know that I do it. Could explain why I averaged 255 yards total off the tee with my 5 wood last time I was out on the course. 

TEST both and see what YOU get and forget what others have told you. It's YOUR game and what works for YOU that matters. 

That would suggest a significant power leak/inefficiency in your swing.  Something you feel with the heavier/shorter fairway wood to be more properly sequenced vs the driver getting out of sync. 

[IONEPUTT]

Not really sure what the issue is with my driver at times. My speed can be 105-108 one day and then drop off to low 100 or high 90's, than it's back up to as high as 120. My thinking is it's mostly about timing and getting everything is the correct order to get the max out of my swing. For some reason the woods stay about the same whether the driver is working well or not. Old age could be part of it of course. 

[Bang60]

My 2 Fav clubs in my bag are 1 Taylormade M6 15* 3wood with a basterdised Nickent (tipped 3inches) Golf "Tip active R 85+mph" Speedrated 55 torque 2.5 M50 by UST, 2 Ping G20 7wood TFC 169F Regular graphite shaft. So I've no idea what the Nickent shaft spec is except I can hit it 200metres+ on my best swing, ball flight is medium and mostly straightish 180. The G20 straightish 165ish so I'm thinking of leaving the SIM driver in the shed, I wish I could work out what shaft would suit my SIM based on my other shafts which includes my T200 Irons with MMT graphite R 300 shafts. ??

[IONEPUTT]

On 7/26/2022 at 2:27 PM, GolfSpy_BOS said:

That would suggest a significant power leak/inefficiency in your swing.  Something you feel with the heavier/shorter fairway wood to be more properly sequenced vs the driver getting out of sync. 

I would love to know why you think I have a significant power leak in my swing. IF you can tell me your reasoning maybe I can figure out how to swing my driver faster more often.  That would be great if I can get it up to 105-108 more consistantly.  In case you don't know much about me. let me tell you that I am 75 years old, and I had at least 3 heart attacks 7 years ago and had 3 stents installed in 3 of the 4 major artieries in my heart 6-1/2 years ago.  I'm old, FAT, and out of shape as well. So I'm thinking for an old fat guy I'm doing pretty good to be swinging my wood over 105 MPH more often than not and in the low 100's at times with my driver. IF I have a noticeable power leak in my swing, I would LOVE to find a way to plug the leak and see what I can do. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

2 minutes ago, IONEPUTT said:

I would love to know why you think I have a significant power leak in my swing. IF you can tell me your reasoning maybe I can figure out how to swing my driver faster more often.  That would be great if I can get it up to 105-108 more consistantly.  In case you don't know much about me. let me tell you that I am 75 years old, and I had at least 3 heart attacks 7 years ago and had 3 stents installed in 3 of the 4 major artieries in my heart 6-1/2 years ago.  I'm old, FAT, and out of shape as well. So I'm thinking for an old fat guy I'm doing pretty good to be swinging my wood over 105 MPH more often than not and in the low 100's at times with my driver. IF I have a noticeable power leak in my swing, I would LOVE to find a way to plug the leak and see what I can do. 

That’s impressive swing speed for your age and health but without anyone seeing your swing nobody can tell why you have a power leak but having upwards of 8-10mph drop off as well as the how far you hit a fw compared to your drive indicates there is one.

 

[IONEPUTT]

5 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

That’s impressive swing speed for your age and health but without anyone seeing your swing nobody can tell why you have a power leak but having upwards of 8-10mph drop off as well as the how far you hit a fw compared to your drive indicates there is one.

 

I don't believe I mentioned how far I hit my driver. So you know, I normally hit my driver 260 yards carry. Add in some roll out and I'm in the area of 285-290 total.  As you mentioned, NOT too bad for an old fat guy with a heart condition. While I'm not positive, I'm willing to bet that IF i get out to the driving range more than once every two months and hit a lot more range balls, my swing speed with the driver will come back and be a lot more consistent as well. I could be wrong but that is my guess until I figure it out. I think that with more practice my timing will come back and become more consistent and my speed will come back to what it was. 

[GolfSpy BOS]

1 hour ago, IONEPUTT said:

I would love to know why you think I have a significant power leak in my swing. IF you can tell me your reasoning maybe I can figure out how to swing my driver faster more often.  That would be great if I can get it up to 105-108 more consistantly.  In case you don't know much about me. let me tell you that I am 75 years old, and I had at least 3 heart attacks 7 years ago and had 3 stents installed in 3 of the 4 major artieries in my heart 6-1/2 years ago.  I'm old, FAT, and out of shape as well. So I'm thinking for an old fat guy I'm doing pretty good to be swinging my wood over 105 MPH more often than not and in the low 100's at times with my driver. IF I have a noticeable power leak in my swing, I would LOVE to find a way to plug the leak and see what I can do. 

Only based on you’re comment of hitting your 5 wood further/swinging faster than you’re driver.  I forget your exact wording before. 

 

[IONEPUTT]

I hit my driver 260 carry compared to 255 total for my 5 wood. I did swing my 5 wood faster than my driver last time I measured them at the range, but that was last time not what I usually get. Last time I was at the range it had been over 7 months since my last range session, and last time I swung a club, so I'm thinking it has more to do with lack of practice than a power leak. Like a lot of golfers, my swing can get off if I don't practice a bit, and I think taking over 7 months off is the problem. Lack of practice, equates to bad timing on my part, and bad timing means a lose of speed and consistancy. 

[GolfSpy BOS]

5 minutes ago, IONEPUTT said:

I hit my driver 260 carry compared to 255 total for my 5 wood. I did swing my 5 wood faster than my driver last time I measured them at the range, but that was last time not what I usually get. Last time I was at the range it had been over 7 months since my last range session, and last time I swung a club, so I'm thinking it has more to do with lack of practice than a power leak. Like a lot of golfers, my swing can get off if I don't practice a bit, and I think taking over 7 months off is the problem. Lack of practice, equates to bad timing on my part, and bad timing means a lose of speed and consistancy. 

well there you have it then... bad timing (sequencing in the kinetic chain) is your power leak with the driver.  Probably hidden with shorter clubs because there is more room for error with them.  A long layoff can most certainly be the culprit there.

Also didn't realize you were in Colorado.  With the elevation you should make sure you're generating good flight conditions too.  I think you need more spin at elevation than sea-level for optimal flight?  I can't remember but when the tour was down in Mexico City I recall them talking something along those lines.  

 

[IONEPUTT]

1 hour ago, GolfSpy_BOS said:

well there you have it then... bad timing (sequencing in the kinetic chain) is your power leak with the driver.  Probably hidden with shorter clubs because there is more room for error with them.  A long layoff can most certainly be the culprit there.

Also didn't realize you were in Colorado.  With the elevation you should make sure you're generating good flight conditions too.  I think you need more spin at elevation than sea-level for optimal flight?  I can't remember but when the tour was down in Mexico City I recall them talking something along those lines.  

 

You are quite correct about the spin numbers needing to be higher at altitude. It takes more backspin to create the same amount of lift to keep the ball up in the air. so more spin is a good thing up here. It's also a good idea to hit the ball with a higher launch angle for more carry yardage, which is why I don't play a 9* driver up here. 10.5* to 12* is a much better choice in the Denver area is what I've found.