Jgolf Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Golf Digest just released a list of all the clubs that they tested for this years Hot List in hopes of quelling complaints that they focus on the OEM's.... Drivers Adams Fast 12 LS Bob Burns No Bananas DAT Bob Burns B-2 Bomber Boccieri Heavy Driver Bridgestone J40 (430/445) Callaway RAZR Fit Callaway RAZR X Black Cleveland Black Cleveland Classic Cobra ZL Encore Cobra Long Tom Cobra AMP DnA Welded Alpha 610 Fourteen DT-111 Titanium Henry-Griffitts Praxis 450 Hireko Power Play Caiman X2 MacGregor Tourney Nicklaus ML 4 Nike VR Pro Limited Edition Nike VR_S Ping G20 Ping i20 PowerBilt Air Force One DF TaylorMade R11-S TaylorMade RocketBallz/RocketBallz Tour Titleist 910D2/D3 Tour Edge Exotics CB4 Tour Tour Edge Exotics XCG-5 Tour Edge HT Max-D Wilson Staff Dxi Superlight Yonex Ezone Type 380 Yonex Ezone SD Fairway Woods Adams Fast 12 Adams Super Ti/Tung Bob Burns No Bananas DAT Boccieri Heavy Fairway Bridgestone J40 Callaway RAZR Fit Callaway RAZR X Black Cleveland Mashie Cleveland Black Cobra AMP Cobra Long Tom 2 wood Cobra Baffler T-Rail Fourteen SF-511 Fourteen VESPO FC-714 Fourteen W-422V Hireko Power Play Caiman X2 Hireko Acer XDS React MacGregor Tourney Nicklaus Railsole Nike VR Pro Limited Edition Nike VR_S Ping G20 Ping i20 PowerBilt Air Force One AF2 TaylorMade RocketBallz TaylorMade R11s Titleist 910F Tour Edge Exotics XCG-4 Tour Tour Edge Exotics XCG-5 Tour Edge HT Max-D Wilson Staff Fybrid RS (Rocker Sole) Yonex Ezone Type ST Yonex Ezone SD Hybrids Adams a12/a12OS Adams Super Hybrid Adams Idea Pro a12 Bob Burns No Bananas DAT Boccieri Heavy Hybrid Bridgestone J40 Callaway RAZR X HL Callaway RAZR X Cleveland Mashie+ Cobra Baffler T-Rail Cobra AMP Fourteen UT-511 Hireko Dynacraft Avatar Evolution MacGregor Tourney Nickent 6DX Nickent 6DT Nicklaus Railsole Nike VR_S Orlimar TriMetal Dri-Bryd Ping G20 Ping i20 PowerBilt Air Force One AF2 TaylorMade RocketBallz Titleist 910 H Tour Edge Exotics XCG-4 Tour Tour Edge Exotics XCG-5 Tour Edge HT Max-D Wilson Staff Fybrid RS Yonex Ezone SD Yonex Ezone Yonex Ezone Zero Iron Game Improvement irons Adams Redline Callaway RAZR X Callaway RAZR Black Cleveland CG Black Cobra AMP MacGregor Tourney Mizuno JPX-800 Mizuno JPX-800 Pro Nicklaus Polarity 3.0 Nike VR_S (Forged) Ping G20 PowerBilt Air Force One AF2 TaylorMade R11 TaylorMade RocketBallz Titleist AP1 Tour Edge Exotics XCG-5 Tour Edge HT Max-D Wilson Staff Ci11 Yonex Ezone SD Players Irons Adams Pro a12 Adams MB2 Bob Burns True Forged Bridgestone J40 Forged Cavity Back Bridgestone J40 Forged Dual Pocket Callaway RAZR X Tour Callaway RAZR X Forged Callaway RAZR X MB Cleveland 588 MB Cleveland 588 CB Fourteen TC-710 Fourteen TC-930 Fourteen HI-610h TS Fourteen TC-610 Henry-Griffitts T12 KZG Forged M Series Mizuno MP-59 Mizuno MP-69 Mizuno MP-53 Nike VR Pro Combo CB Nike VR Pro Blades Ping i20 Ping S56 PowerBilt Air Force One Player Series Iron SCOR SCOR4161 TaylorMade Tour Preferred MB TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC Titleist AP2 Titleist CB Tour Edge Exotics CG Forged Whitlam Gauge Design Wilson Staff FG Tour V2 Yonex Ezone Forged MB Super Game Improvement irons Adams Idea a12OS Bob Burns DAT Hollow Cavity Callaway RAZR XF Callaway RAZR X HL Cleveland Mashie Mizuno JPX-800HD Nickent 6DX Combo Nike VR_S (Cast) Orlimar Tri-Metal ZXP Ping K15 TaylorMade RocketBallz Max Tour Edge JMAX gold Wedges Adams Puglielli Bob Burns Master Grind Boccieri Heavy Wedge TC Bridgestone J40 Satin Chrome Callaway Forged Callaway X Series Jaws Cleveland 588 Forged Cleveland CG Black Carnahan Vintage Carnahan V-Groove Carnahan Gunmetal Cobra Trusty Rusty Cobra Big Trusty Rusty Fourteen RM-11 Fourteen MT-28 JSPECIV Hireko Power Play Raw Spin Hireko Acer XS KZG MWC-1 MacGregor VIP Mizuno MP R-12 Series Mizuno MP T-11 Mizuno JPX Nike VR Pro Forged Ping Anser Ping Tour-S SCOR SCOR4161 Scratch 8620-USA Milled TaylorMade ATV Titleist Vokey SM4 Tour Edge Exotics Proto V1.1 Tour Edge TGS Whitlam Gauge Design TCG series Yonex Ezone Yonex WS Blade Putters Axis1 Eagle Bettinardi Studio Stock 11 Boccieri Heavy Putter Tour Series Q2-MT Byron Morgan Da Kine Byron Morgan DH 89 Cleveland Classic Carnahan Broadway Dogleg Right Flanigan FB1 Flanigan FB2 Flanigan 343 Hireko Dynacraft Hindsight Hireko Dynacraft SPOT MacGregor ROTA series MacGregor Response Never Compromise Limited Connoisseur Portofino Never Compromise Sub30 Type 10 Nickent Omen Nike Method Core MC Odyssey ProType Tour series Odyssey Metal-X Odyssey Flip Face Orlimar DuoTec DT3 Ping Anser Milled Ping Scottsdale Ping Karsten 1959 Profound Solution Rife Island Series Seemore M Series Seemore Private Reserve Seemore Si Series STX Xform series STX ProFIT Sunset Beach Ocean Isle Sunset Beach Masonboro Sunset Beach Calabash TaylorMade Ghost Tour Titleist Cameron California Titleist Cameron Select Newport Tour Edge Backdraft GT series Tour Edge T-Balance series T.P. Mills Anvil Whitlam Diamond Whitlam The Little Dog Wilson Staff 888 BLK series Yes! -Groove Yonex Ezone Full Milled Yonex Ezone EZP01 Mallet Putters Axis1 Umbra Bettinardi BB-35 Bob Burns Putt-Mark Bob Burns Great Dane Bobby Grace AMG Boccieri Heavy Putter Tour Series R3-MT Cleveland Classic Dogleg Right GTX Tradition Never Compromise Limited Connoisseur Perfecto Never Compromise Sub30 Nickent Omen OP Series Nike Method Core Nike Method Concept Odyssey ProType Tour series Odyssey Metal-X Odyssey Flip Face Orlimar DuoTec DT4 Ping Sydney Ping Scottsdale PowerBilt Air Force One HT Seemore fgp Seemore SB2 Seemore M5x Seemore DB4x Seemore Si STX Xform series STX Sync Series Sunset Beach Yaupon Sunset Beach Surfside Sunset Beach Pamlico Sunset Beach Carolina TaylorMade Ghost Titleist Cameron California Tour Edge Backdraft GT series Tour Edge T-Balance series T.P. Mills Anvil series Whitlam Hummer 3 Whitlam Gauge Design M2H Crazy Caliper Whitlam Window Wilson Staff 888 BLK series Yar Putter GX1-WB Yonex Ezone Full Milled Yonex Ezone EZM01 Reactions? I for one was impressed that they at least had a few fringe brands listed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saternus Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Great to see some "smaller" guys on there, particularly in the wedge and putter section. Fourteen is obviously making a push with multiple entries in the iron category. One thing I can say for sure: if you don't see gold medals around the "necks" of the Bettinardi SS11 and the Byron Morgans, you know it's a fix! Follow me on Twitter: @MattSaternus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbloor Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. After all, we're talking about a rating system where actual performance counts for less than half of a club's score. Cleveland Black 10.5* Ping G15 4W Cleveland Mashie 18* Cleveland Mashie 23* Ping G15 5-W Eidolon 51* Ping G20 SW Mizuno/Bettinardi BC-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saternus Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. After all, we're talking about a rating system where actual performance counts for less than half of a club's score. We need a vomit emoticon. I can't believe that's still the way they score clubs. Someone explain to me what, besides performance, matters in a golf club? Oh right, I forgot, how much advertising you buy...oops, I mean "Hype" or "Buzz". Follow me on Twitter: @MattSaternus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP Tony Covey MGS Posted December 29, 2011 SPY VIP Share Posted December 29, 2011 I hope I'm proven wrong, but here's how I bet this all turns out... TaylorMade and Callaway walk away with the Lion's share of the golds. Titleist, PING, Cleveland, Cobra, Nike, Adams, and Mizuno will also do ok for themselves because basically everything from a big OEM gets a medal...those are the unspoken rules. In each category, 1 or 2 of the smaller companies listed walks away with a silver. One or two might sneak in for a gold, but there won't be any big surprises. Just a guess.... This really isn't much different from year's past. They basically invite nearly everybody to participate - not all do. I say this based on conversations I had at last year's PGA Show with highly placed sources from a few different smaller companies; there are some who no longer bother to submit to the Hot List because of the nature of the "competition" itself. I was told that their clubs are often returned unused and with absolutely no feedback. I'm not sure how you judge a club without hitting it. I'm wishful that GD would dispense with this everybody get's a trophy nonsense and has the stones to pick ONE winner (and ONE Silver, and ONE bronze) in each category, but from an advertising dollars standpoint, ensuring that medal counts are proportionate to expenditures (yes I know...ad dollars have no impact on the results, it's just an annually occurring happy accident), everybody wins. It kills me to think what we could do if we had their resources. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. After all, we're talking about a rating system where actual performance counts for less than half of a club's score. To the best of my knowledge, GD doesn't use any type of actual launch monitor data (at least they've never published it). We've learned from our tests that even knowledgeable and intelligent golfers have a very difficult time discerning their perceptions from reality when it comes to things like distance and accuracy (especially when we're talking about averages and not just a shot or two) - and that's with the benefit of a launch monitor telling them how far and straight each shot was. My point is, perceptions of performance often differ greatly from the reality (especially when you're judging with the naked eye at great distances). MyGolfSpy is only major golf site that refuses advertising from large golf companies. With your support we can keep it that way. Donate Today Follow @GolfSpyT Subscribe to the MyGolfSpy Newsletter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Do we dare start a pool to predict the medal winners??? Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbloor Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 TaylorMade and Callaway walk away with the Lion's share of the golds. Titleist, PING, Cleveland, Cobra, Nike, Adams, and Mizuno will also do ok for themselves because basically everything from a big OEM gets a medal...those are the unspoken rules. In each category, 1 or 2 of the smaller companies listed walks away with a silver. One or two might sneak in for a gold, but there won't be any big surprises. Based on past editions, this is likely to be spot-on, plus the possible inclusion of a small sidebar piece in one or two categories featuring a few "up and coming" or "boutique" options for those golfers who might like to sneak out on their OEM bags for a walk on the wild side every now and again. To the best of my knowledge, GD doesn't use any type of actual launch monitor data (at least they've never published it). We've learned from our tests that even knowledgeable and intelligent golfers have a very difficult time discerning their perceptions from reality when it comes to things like distance and accuracy (especially when we're talking about averages and not just a shot or two) - and that's with the benefit of a launch monitor telling them how far and straight each shot was. My point is, perceptions of performance often differ greatly from the reality (especially when you're judging with the naked eye at great distances).[/size][/color] They made mention of "independent robotic testing" as one of their performance criteria last year, although Lord only knows what it was or how they used it. Cleveland Black 10.5* Ping G15 4W Cleveland Mashie 18* Cleveland Mashie 23* Ping G15 5-W Eidolon 51* Ping G20 SW Mizuno/Bettinardi BC-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RookieBlue7 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I predict the ones with the most full page ads popping up in the medals sections. I'm interested to see where the SSB, Flanigan, Whitlam, and Machine putters fall into their criterion. The humans testing them, I'd venture a guess, will 75-80% never have heard of them and immediately dismiss them because of name recognition, leading to lower scoring. I'd love to see how everything would test out if they were truly blind tests where the manufacturer was unknown on all product. In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400 SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saternus Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Do we dare start a pool to predict the medal winners??? I'll start with some no-brainers: Gold Medals (driver): R11S, RBZ, RAZR Fit, G20 Other Gold Medal locks: RBZ fairways, hybrids, and irons, RAZR X Black irons, Vokey SM4, Cameron California & Select I'll look at the list more carefully and make some more picks later. Follow me on Twitter: @MattSaternus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miboy62 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I think you have the gold covered Matt. What about the silver? ZX5 MKII LS 8.5 Stealth 2 plus 3 wood Stealth 2 plus 5 wood Stealth 2 plus 19.5 Hybrid ZX5 MKll 5 / AW Dart stiff MG3 black 52 9b 58 12b 7.5 Phantom 34” Z Star Diamond 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Golf Digest just released a list of all the clubs that they tested for this years Hot List in hopes of quelling complaints that they focus on the OEM's.... Drivers Adams Fast 12 LS Silver Bob Burns No Bananas DAT Bob Burns B-2 Bomber Boccieri Heavy Driver Bridgestone J40 (430/445) Callaway RAZR Fit Gold Callaway RAZR X Black Cleveland Black Cleveland Classic Silver Cobra ZL Encore Cobra Long Tom Silver Cobra AMP DnA Welded Alpha 610 Fourteen DT-111 Titanium Henry-Griffitts Praxis 450 Hireko Power Play Caiman X2 MacGregor Tourney Nicklaus ML 4 Nike VR Pro Limited Edition Nike VR_S Ping G20 Gold Ping i20 Gold PowerBilt Air Force One DF TaylorMade R11-S Gold TaylorMade RocketBallz/RocketBallz Tour Gold Titleist 910D2/D3 Gold Tour Edge Exotics CB4 Tour Tour Edge Exotics XCG-5 Tour Edge HT Max-D Wilson Staff Dxi Superlight Yonex Ezone Type 380 Yonex Ezone SD Fairway Woods Adams Fast 12 Gold Adams Super Ti/Tung Bob Burns No Bananas DAT Boccieri Heavy Fairway Bridgestone J40 Callaway RAZR Fit Callaway RAZR X Black Silver Cleveland Mashie Cleveland Black Cobra AMP Cobra Long Tom 2 wood Cobra Baffler T-Rail Fourteen SF-511 Fourteen VESPO FC-714 Fourteen W-422V Hireko Power Play Caiman X2 Hireko Acer XDS React MacGregor Tourney Nicklaus Railsole Nike VR Pro Limited Edition Nike VR_S Ping G20 Gold Ping i20 Gold PowerBilt Air Force One AF2 TaylorMade RocketBallz Gold TaylorMade R11s Gold Titleist 910F Silver Tour Edge Exotics XCG-4 Tour Silver Tour Edge Exotics XCG-5 Silver Tour Edge HT Max-D Wilson Staff Fybrid RS (Rocker Sole) Yonex Ezone Type ST Yonex Ezone SD Thats all i got for now.... Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miboy62 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Just looked at GD Hot list in the store. Looks like Cleveland and Adams, should of done some more advertising in GD in 2011. ZX5 MKII LS 8.5 Stealth 2 plus 3 wood Stealth 2 plus 5 wood Stealth 2 plus 19.5 Hybrid ZX5 MKll 5 / AW Dart stiff MG3 black 52 9b 58 12b 7.5 Phantom 34” Z Star Diamond 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivas Irons Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I hope I'm proven wrong, but here's how I bet this all turns out... TaylorMade and Callaway walk away with the Lion's share of the golds. Titleist, PING, Cleveland, Cobra, Nike, Adams, and Mizuno will also do ok for themselves because basically everything from a big OEM gets a medal...those are the unspoken rules. In each category, 1 or 2 of the smaller companies listed walks away with a silver. One or two might sneak in for a gold, but there won't be any big surprises. Just a guess.... This really isn't much different from year's past. They basically invite nearly everybody to participate - not all do. I say this based on conversations I had at last year's PGA Show with highly placed sources from a few different smaller companies; there are some who no longer bother to submit to the Hot List because of the nature of the "competition" itself. I was told that their clubs are often returned unused and with absolutely no feedback. I'm not sure how you judge a club without hitting it. I'm wishful that GD would dispense with this everybody get's a trophy nonsense and has the stones to pick ONE winner (and ONE Silver, and ONE bronze) in each category, but from an advertising dollars standpoint, ensuring that medal counts are proportionate to expenditures (yes I know...ad dollars have no impact on the results, it's just an annually occurring happy accident), everybody wins. It kills me to think what we could do if we had their resources. [/size][/color] To the best of my knowledge, GD doesn't use any type of actual launch monitor data (at least they've never published it). We've learned from our tests that even knowledgeable and intelligent golfers have a very difficult time discerning their perceptions from reality when it comes to things like distance and accuracy (especially when we're talking about averages and not just a shot or two) - and that's with the benefit of a launch monitor telling them how far and straight each shot was. My point is, perceptions of performance often differ greatly from the reality (especially when you're judging with the naked eye at great distances). Good post. Spot on. Cobra White ZL Encore 9.5 Fujikura Motore F1 55 Ping G15 17* Fujikura Motore F3 70 Nike VR Pro II 21* Fujikura Motore F3 95 Nike VR Pro II 24* Fujikura Motore F3 95 Ping i15 5-PW Dynamic Gold S300 Ping Tour S 50* Dynamic Gold Spinner Ping Tour S 54* Dynamic Gold Spinner Ping Tour S 60* Dynamic Gold Spinner Bettinardi BB53C IOmic Grips Ping Hoofer Titleist Pro V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xamilo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I guess all we need to do is keep an eye on where will the Wilson V2s and BS J40 will rank. If they don't get the gold then the whole theory is real and they are just stupid.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted December 31, 2011 SPY VIP Share Posted December 31, 2011 I guess all we need to do is keep an eye on where will the Wilson V2s and BS J40 will rank. If they don't get the gold then the whole theory is real and they are just stupid.... FWIW, neither one got a medal. The BS wedges got a silver as did the Wilson Ci11 irons... Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP Tony Covey MGS Posted December 31, 2011 SPY VIP Share Posted December 31, 2011 FWIW, neither one got a medal. The BS wedges got a silver as did the Wilson Ci11 irons... I say Good! Every time Golf Digest completely misses the boat on a club that gets a good score here (and that score is validated by golfers who keeping coming back and leaving comments a solid year after the review) our credibility increases. The J40 wedges are good, but the J40 driver is a superstar. The same is true of the V2s. Great performers, and less expensive than most. Hot: Outperforms the competition. Not: Doesn't have a TaylorMade or Callaway Logo And so it goes...again this year. MyGolfSpy is only major golf site that refuses advertising from large golf companies. With your support we can keep it that way. Donate Today Follow @GolfSpyT Subscribe to the MyGolfSpy Newsletter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted January 1, 2012 SPY VIP Share Posted January 1, 2012 I say Good! Every time Golf Digest completely misses the boat on a club that gets a good score here (and that score is validated by golfers who keeping coming back and leaving comments a solid year after the review) our credibility increases. The J40 wedges are good, but the J40 driver is a superstar. The same is true of the V2s. Great performers, and less expensive than most. Hot: Outperforms the competition. Not: Doesn't have a TaylorMade or Callaway Logo And so it goes...again this year. Callaway actually scored a bunch of silvers this year. It seems that the golds are more automatic for Ping and Titleist. Along with TM, of course... Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP Tony Covey MGS Posted January 1, 2012 SPY VIP Share Posted January 1, 2012 I'm not surprised. PING is highly regarded and does a fair share of advertising. Same with Titleist. Callaway is always interesting. There's a lot of negativity towards the brand that, quite frankly, I have no idea where from it comes. MyGolfSpy is only major golf site that refuses advertising from large golf companies. With your support we can keep it that way. Donate Today Follow @GolfSpyT Subscribe to the MyGolfSpy Newsletter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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