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Playing a 9deg Callaway  2013 Big Bertha with a 44.5 in lite shaft which works well for me. I have better control of the club and make more solid contact then with std length shaft. Put the ball in the fairway most of the time with a good swing. At 77 yrs of age distance is 220yds plus or minus.  Just ordered a  PXG 211 in same configuration. Am anxious to see ihow it copares.

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53 minutes ago, Moraga.Mike said:

Did you get fitted for this shaft? For someone that has bought clubs both fitted and unfitted, would think a fitting would be a necessity for a shaft. 

 

... I think once you know what works well for your swing, choosing a shaft is much easier. I already knew what works best for my swing through many years of trial and error that was a lot of expensive fun, but could have been avoided with a good fitting earlier in my golf life. Even knowing what shafts work best for me, at my last several fittings a stock shaft performed better than an upgrade shaft. Performance was very close but nice to know a Tensei AV Blue and Speeder NX Red barely nosed out the $250 upgrade Graphite Design option. That was a little surprising and something I would not have discovered without a fitting. 

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I am repeating myself from other forums, but I want to chime in with agreement here - a shaft fitting will help immensely in my experience,  And I had outstanding results with dispersion *and* added distance when I reduced my driver shaft length by 1".  Be mindful of swing weight if you shorten the shaft; weight will decrease with a shorter shaft.

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I guess my answer for whether I was fitted for my driver is hazy at best. I was testing my driver at a indoor place on Trackman. Jumped into a sim round and hole #2 I use driver for the first time, head snaps off my Tour Edge EXS about an inch above the hosel the shaft snapped.

After commenting to the salesperson I'd have to play the rest no driver but at least the head rolled away from the screen and didn't damage anything with it's sharp graphite dagger it now sports, he came back with a TS2 prior Gen marked demo but still in the plastic. Told me I could use it to finish the round. After hitting 11/13 fairways to finish I had 5 extra minutes to put it through some paces on the practice range. 

When I got home I had the data from both drivers to look at and found distance went down from 245 avg to 215 avg going from EXS to TS2, but the tight dispersion meant the extra 30-35 yards from the Tour Edge was often in the wrong direction or with side carry into an area right of the fairway. 

The TS2 takes those swings and turns them into fairway finders for me, or they roll a few yards off into the rough. Never 35 yards into whatever mess I wanted to avoid.

I went back and asked the owner for his cheapest price and being I devalued it the previous day smashing it a dozen times like a hack he gave it to me $120 less than original msrp. Keep in mind I was the one who took the plastic off, that was a great price.

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I definitely could have given club champion $600 to get the same thing maybe slightly tuned to my swing along with some swing tips for free, but with my budget my way works great I think.

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The Ping G400 Max has a standard length of 45.75". As an experiment, I had Golfworks make me a Kuro Kage HBP Gen 2 shaft with the G400 series adapter at a length such that my final driver length is 44.5". No Trackman data yet, but Shot Scope data for two rounds suggests that I have picked up distance. Will get Trackman data soon, but so far it looks really promising. 

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Glad this thread came around again. I bought a new driver last October and I’ve loved it ever since till last weekend. Went to the range the other day and fell right back in love with it, I really need to watch where I line the club and the ball up. When I mess with the driver, everything is on the toe

. When I mess with the driver, everything is on the tow. So now this thread is making me think I should look at either choking down on the club or try to find a shorter shaft.

 

Good luck with all of the experiments

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Question on cutting down a shaft vs playing it by choking down. 

If a person cuts down the shaft, does that change dynamics of the shaft? meaning how much if at all does it change the flex/kick point and any other metrics I know nothing about.

Loaded question I know. 

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2 minutes ago, JFish350 said:

Question on cutting down a shaft vs playing it by choking down. 

If a person cuts down the shaft, does that change dynamics of the shaft? meaning how much if at all does it change the flex/kick point and any other metrics I know nothing about.

Loaded question I know. 

In general, if a shaft is trimmed at the tip end, it will play more stiff. Presumably, trimming from the butt end (which you'd do with an already installed shaft) might make it slightly less stiff.

Again, in general, shortening the shaft should decrease the swing weight; the head will feel lighter.

I don't know that I know how (if at all) the kick point might change.

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10 minutes ago, JFish350 said:

Question on cutting down a shaft vs playing it by choking down. 

If a person cuts down the shaft, does that change dynamics of the shaft? meaning how much if at all does it change the flex/kick point and any other metrics I know nothing about.

Loaded question I know. approximately 3 swing weights. I haven't had the swing weight on mine measured yet, but did swap the 7 gram back weight for a 13 gram weight. The 6 gram increase at the head would add back 3 swing weights. 

For every half inch which the shaft is shortened, the swing weight drops by about 3 swing weights so shortening the shaft by 1.25" should be about 7 swing weights. To compensate, I swapped the 7 gram weight the G400 Max came with for a 13 gram weight which I happened to have, adding back about 3 swing weights. It feels pretty good as is, but I may experiment with a 16 gram weight. 

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Ping G400 Max 10.5* - Alta CB SR flex

Ping G425 SFT 5W (19*) - Alta CB Slate SR flex 

Ping G430 5H (26*), 6H (30*) and 7H (34*)- Alta CB 70 regular flex

Ping G710 8i, 9i  - Recoil 80 F3 shaft (1)

Sub70 286 46* and 52* - Recoil DART 75 F3 shaft

Cleveland CBX4 58* - Recoil 95 F3 shaft

Odyssey Original 2-Ball White Hot counterbalanced (lead tape in the head, Super Stroke grip with 50-gram weight)

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Thanks fellas, 

 

Another question: Would putting in lighter swing weights make a difference in contact position,  if that's a thing? I may be looking for answers I don't know the rights questions to ask. 

 

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22 hours ago, JFish350 said:

Thanks fellas, 

 

Another question: Would putting in lighter swing weights make a difference in contact position,  if that's a thing? I may be looking for answers I don't know the rights questions to ask. 

 

My experience is when swing weight gets to light I cant fell the club head and make more inconsistent strikes, your experience may be different

 

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22 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

In general, if a shaft is trimmed at the tip end, it will play more stiff. Presumably, trimming from the butt end (which you'd do with an already installed shaft) might make it slightly less stiff.

Again, in general, shortening the shaft should decrease the swing weight; the head will feel lighter.

I don't know that I know how (if at all) the kick point might change.

I am close to experimenting with something. I have my old driver head sitting with a broken shaft. I see PX LZ 6.0 shafts on sale $45. I have this shaft in the 4w that I boom stick but in 5.5 flex.

My theory is buying the 6.0 and having the club fitter cut it from the butt end and installing it in my old driver head would give me a 43.5" driver to test and it shouldn't cost more than $100 all told. I could probably recoup that selling the constructed driver 2nd hand. Currently the head alone is worth next to nothing.

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6 minutes ago, Fred Mitchell said:

My experience is when swing weight gets to light I cant fell the club head and make more inconsistent strikes, your experience may be different

 

This.  It depends in part on whether current swing weight is off for you, and if so, whether it sits too heavy or too light.  Experimentation with removing weight or adding some lead tape (in different places too) is probably the easiest/cheapest way to establish a baseline for which weights/and where work for you (without a fitting).  (Weight on the toe encourages closed face/on heel open face).

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On 3/24/2023 at 12:12 PM, richk9holes said:

I think later today I'll practice with the driver at A4 setting (12° standard lie). Only +.75 from the current setting, but maybe there's something to the added loft getting the optimal trajectory.

Did this and pretty sure the A4 setting is a keeper. Going to indoor simulator now to confirm. I'm excited the way I hit about 10 at the range straight and avg 230 with a mix of range balls and beat up balls people had hit as extras. The top flight xl I hit hit 40 yards up on the 200' marker netting.

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