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No question about it. Would play my titleist 990’s any day! Happy turkey day!

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14 hours ago, IONEPUTT said:

I've done a few demo sessions with the new irons, and the only real difference I see is that the new irons have a lot less Loft then the older clubs with the same number stamped on the head. AS an example, the TM Burner 2.0 6 iron has 5 degrees less loft than my 18 year old forged irons and the ball goes about 20 yards farther with the new Burner than my older 6 iron. Bottom line the Burner 6 iron is more like a strong 5 iron of 15 years ago. Me, I'd much rather have my older set and just hit a 5 iron if I need another 15-20 yards of carry. 

 

Same thing for the new drivers. I'll keep my old 2005 Launcher Comp and let the rest of you have the newer driver with the adjustable hosel garbage. 

Pretending the only thing that has changed is the loft on irons and the "adjustable hosel garbage" on drivers is a little silly. There is no doubt that drivers have become more forgiving and that the shafts that can be put in them can be dialed in to improve your performance with them. Irons have stronger lofts, yes, but putting a stronger lofted head on a close to traditional length shaft will make most people more accurate with that head, especially when combined with improved tech specs. If you love your old clubs and want to stick with them, that's fine, but advancements over 15-20 years are pretty undeniable. Changing clubs every year or two is vanity or just fun for those who do that, but waiting 20 years is surely sacrificing some advancements. 

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15 hours ago, GPS111 said:

I have seven year old heads and keep "updating" by swapping shafts and grips based on my changing abilities.  I'm 68 so my game IS changing whether I like it or not and it is far different than the game I had at 38 but equipment tweaks keeps it close even though distance is the part that changed the most. 

But the heads I have I like.  Perform well, great feel and the look at address I want so I don't want to change them. How they perform for me became a function of the shaft installed and graphite was the best move I've made.  Same with grip - now softer midsize with two wraps under the lower hand.  If recovering from a back injury those can be a benefit for you like they were with age for me.  But don't just grab any graphite or grip.  Get fit and get the loft, lie, flex, kick point, grip size, etc.,  combination you need then research the shafts/grips that fit your dynamic swing data.  And not just with five balls eliminating the high and low.  Get as much data you need per club to make an intelligent decision.  

Now I've said I love my heads, I am looking at foam or polymer filled heads.  I tried some at my fitting and they can be a game changer for bad backs and aging bodies!

Yep graphite shafts set up properly can be a game changer for us with bad backs--- Also the foam filled heads or heads like the ones I have with the polymer stuff help too on vibration. In the past I had done a lot of study on torsinional vibration especially engines with my racing background---- I broke my back in April of 2020--- Have permanant nerve damage now. Did the therapy and such also worked out with Drs approval with a swing trainer. Thought I was coming around but still had pain and stiffness after golf every time I played. I had some discussions with others on here and another site I frequent. Also had a discussion with a golf instructor friend of mine on the same subject of vibration. Talked to my neurosurgeon and he agreed about frequency vibration inflaming the nerves in my back. I was resistant to change having played steel shafted blade Macgregors all my golfing life---- About a month and a half now I hurt myself bad again not structually but nerve wise. I was going to give up the game period. I had been working with the TM irons in my signature for a year or so on and off. Never had actually played a round with them my instructor friend talked me into seriously giving it a try. He also told me about waiting on the shaft some compared to my steel shafted ones---- I finally put them into play in our weekly Shootout-- Played 18 with absolutely no pain and stiffness and no pain meds. The test was the next morning I had no pain or stiffness or what I called a hang over--- In fact unheard of for me in the past I played 9 holes Sunday afternoon--- Have about 8 rounds in now with no pain of stiffness--- Yep I was being resistant to change but had my back against the wall but it was change or quit alltogether---- Glad I changed and stayed in the game

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^^^ Graphite (iron) shafts not only help with bad backs, they’re better for wrist, elbow and shoulder joints as well. After a battle with tennis elbow and sore wrists after every round about nine months ago, I reshafted my irons from steel to graphite and it’s definitely helped!

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Hello,

I am just recovering from back surgery too. Currently, in the middle of PT and just chipping/putting at this time. I wish you continued progress on whichever set you decide to keep.

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10 hours ago, Middler said:

^^^ Graphite (iron) shafts not only help with bad backs, they’re better for wrist, elbow and shoulder joints as well. After a battle with tennis elbow and sore wrists after every round about nine months ago, I reshafted my irons from steel to graphite and it’s definitely helped!

What shafts did you end up with?

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2 hours ago, GaDawg said:

Hello,

I am just recovering from back surgery too. Currently, in the middle of PT and just chipping/putting at this time. I wish you continued progress on whichever set you decide to keep.

Nothing like motivation than when anyone tells you "you can't putt, or chip or play"  Those 3 months were agonizing but also everyone I spoke to said. Wait, and wait even longer than what your Dr's say. For example, they said no putting or even baby chipping for 2 months, I waiting till 3.  No one seems to regret doing more PT, fitness training, and recovery but I've heard several say "I wish I had waiting to fully recover" Even today, it was my 3rd round back since starting rount two of PT and physical conditioning and I was still swinging nervously for the first 6 holes. I just even wanna have that pain and crippling again - Best of luck to you! 

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6 hours ago, GaDawg said:

Hello,

I am just recovering from back surgery too. Currently, in the middle of PT and just chipping/putting at this time. I wish you continued progress on whichever set you decide to keep.

Thanks Dawg--- I was lucky I did not have to have surgery. I structurally healed up fine and my compressed disc re inflated itself. Mine is basically nerve damage which the docs say may or may not go away it is a crap shoot. Yep I went through PT for both the shoulder which I broke too and the back. The shoulder doc plays golf himself and got me into a PT program to help play golf again. I have had absolutely no problem with the shoulder. But for now I am sticking with the graphite. Stick with the PT I know it hurts but stick with it

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4 hours ago, Fenix said:

Nothing like motivation than when anyone tells you "you can't putt, or chip or play"  Those 3 months were agonizing but also everyone I spoke to said. Wait, and wait even longer than what your Dr's say. For example, they said no putting or even baby chipping for 2 months, I waiting till 3.  No one seems to regret doing more PT, fitness training, and recovery but I've heard several say "I wish I had waiting to fully recover" Even today, it was my 3rd round back since starting rount two of PT and physical conditioning and I was still swinging nervously for the first 6 holes. I just even wanna have that pain and crippling again - Best of luck to you! 

Well 3 weeks after the accident they did let me putt some with a back brace on. I had one broomhandle putter and built another. I kinda propped up and putted also had one of those suction cup things on the butt end because I could not bend over. Like 3 weeks later they said I could chip some. After like 6 months they gave me the green light to hit balls some. This is where I pressed the issue. I would do my 1 hr PT and then drive down the road 1 mile to the course and hit balls. I even tried to rush things by hitting the heaviest clubs I had with stiff shafts. I will admit I have always been WFO and hard headed. After all you are talking to a guy that had kidney stone surgery and was in the hospital for 2 days. The day I got out I jumped into one of my dirt track race cars and drove that night and the next with a catheter in. Needless to say I had a couple of setbacks on the back. I know my neurosurgeon said I was one of a few in his 25 years of practicing medicine that he had to slow down. He told me most folks in my situation especially Workmans Comp cases dogged it because they were drawing WC. I told him I was semi retired anyhow and was enjoying golf and that was one of the things I retired to do and I did not give 2 damns about the weekly checks I  just wanted to get on with my life. 

I will be the first to back you up 110% about the doubt and reflex action relating to pain trying to play--- After my false start last year I sat out Nov thru about the 1st of March. Still did the swing trainer some and hit whiffle balls with the wedges. One word of caution watch those swing trainers--- I used my Skilz Ball one to get me to turn again and it was fine and to build speed. That was ok on face value but when actually playing and hitting a ball I was overswinging and going too hard. Something else we found out-- I have always had a lot of upper body strength. During my WC evaluation they found out I was not doing the exercises correctly. On the ones like sitting and standing and the parallel ones for balance I was actually using my arms instead of my core to push up. It was determined that I was not being properly supervised or watched. In fact I can not say more because we have a seperate pending lawsuit going against the therapy place now. I actually GAINED upper body strength. I ended up having to do 10 closely supervised extra therapy sessions. That is where the law suit comes in for both me and the insurance company. For once the Insurance Company is on my side. I will say take it easy and do not go WFO like I did

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Speaking to main topic...  irons, no real change, with one main exception (G410 and G700 from Ping, new level of MOI reached with them).  Aside from the exception, I think anything from the last 30 or 40 years could compete pretty well.

Might have to pick your spots a bit, the older you go in that range.

Drivers and woods have definitely improved, largely because companies now better understand how to produce lower spin.  And they've added a side benefit of better forgiveness with reasonable spin levels.

As for graphite iron shafts...  I've become a huge fan.  Went experimental 4 years ago, was very pleasantly surprised at the performance.  Went back to steel for a while, switched back this past year once the elbows/wrists started complaining a bit.  Very glad I did; had no trouble with irritation the rest of the year.

The only real negative with graphite iron shafts is that there are quite a few options available.  For a recovering club ho such as myself, it can provide too many opportunities  🤔 😁

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yes, depends upon your definition of "compete"....

I still play weekly with my 35 YO BeCu ping eye 2's.... still score mid 90's...

the 1, 2, 3 irons are in storage.   

added 52 & 60* Vokeys to 7 yo driver, 5W & 4H.   

I'm 72.   6-7 years ago, I lost 25-30 yds and shot 100's.  (old age & loss of muscle mass 😞

but last two years have regained 10-15 yds and back in mid 90's 🙂

still wagering with guys I played with for 50 years 🙂  🙂

 

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2 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

Speaking to main topic...  irons, no real change, with one main exception (G410 and G700 from Ping, new level of MOI reached with them).  Aside from the exception, I think anything from the last 30 or 40 years could compete pretty well.

Might have to pick your spots a bit, the older you go in that range.

Drivers and woods have definitely improved, largely because companies now better understand how to produce lower spin.  And they've added a side benefit of better forgiveness with reasonable spin levels.

As for graphite iron shafts...  I've become a huge fan.  Went experimental 4 years ago, was very pleasantly surprised at the performance.  Went back to steel for a while, switched back this past year once the elbows/wrists started complaining a bit.  Very glad I did; had no trouble with irritation the rest of the year.

The only real negative with graphite iron shafts is that there are quite a few options available.  For a recovering club ho such as myself, it can provide too many opportunities  🤔 😁

Seriously? Aside from the clubs that you happen to like, all others are just pretenders? Okay. 

Not sure why people seen to think irons haven't advanced, but they're totally willing to accept the advances in drivers, woods, putters, balls.... everything else. They've all improved tremendously, but with irons, all they've done is jack the lofts, except for those pings of course.  It's very odd. 

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1 hour ago, Riverboat said:

Seriously? Aside from the clubs that you happen to like, all others are just pretenders? Okay. 

Not sure why people seen to think irons haven't advanced, but they're totally willing to accept the advances in drivers, woods, putters, balls.... everything else. They've all improved tremendously, but with irons, all they've done is jack the lofts, except for those pings of course.  It's very odd. 


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10 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

Speaking to main topic...  irons, no real change, with one main exception (G410 and G700 from Ping, new level of MOI reached with them).  Aside from the exception, I think anything from the last 30 or 40 years could compete pretty well.

Might have to pick your spots a bit, the older you go in that range.

Drivers and woods have definitely improved, largely because companies now better understand how to produce lower spin.  And they've added a side benefit of better forgiveness with reasonable spin levels.

As for graphite iron shafts...  I've become a huge fan.  Went experimental 4 years ago, was very pleasantly surprised at the performance.  Went back to steel for a while, switched back this past year once the elbows/wrists started complaining a bit.  Very glad I did; had no trouble with irritation the rest of the year.

The only real negative with graphite iron shafts is that there are quite a few options available.  For a recovering club ho such as myself, it can provide too many opportunities  🤔 😁

For me on the graphites it is in the very early learning process--- I will admit for me I have very limited knowledge on playing them or building them---  My first start with them was a set of KZGs that i actually built for my bud Bear and he did not like the looks of the heads and I ended up with them. They had Swing Science 200 Senior Flex shafts and I built them dead on spec. I played them some when I first started back but after the little SNAFU of me actually gaining upper body strength I started rope hooking the crap out of them. I ended up selling those things to a guy for his 80 something Dad real cheap. The TMs I got in a trade buy deal. Loved the heads better than any other CB I had ever seen. I had a couple of chances to flip for a profit but something told me to hold on and keep them. Glad I did. For now I am well satisfied and have kinda reformed my club ho ways. Of course when I learn more about graphite in irons do not be surprised to see a set of Mac Blades with graphite in the future. But for now as I progress I am learning to relish the smooth fell of the graphite shafted TMs.

And BTW I was not always a club ho--- Played the same set of 66 PB Citation irons for 6 or 8 years until I went back to my Mac VIPs because the PBs were half worn out when I got them and I finished them off. Played the first set of VIPs darn near 15 years---- Putted with the Ping Zing 2 for right at 20 years--- Back then the only way I replaced a club was if I wore it out. I can not blame MGS or WRX for being a club ho. I got that from my late partner Big John when we had the golf shop. He was very knowledgeable on equipment and got me to trying different stuff--- I did have a small collecton of classic stuff that I held on to for sentimental reasons but it still was small. I think my escalation of club hoeing was when I started at the scrapyard and hooked up with my bud Bear--- Bear is partially to blame too he club hoes and runs out of room and then pawns stuff off on me. I told him a while back no more. Right now I am thinning the heard because I think we may be moving in the next year. This area is getting too crowded for us and getting worse and worse every year. We are thinking seriously about buying a motorhome and crusing for a year or two to different places to see where we want to settle for the rest of our lives. 

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8 hours ago, Riverboat said:

Seriously? Aside from the clubs that you happen to like, all others are just pretenders? Okay. 

Not sure why people seen to think irons haven't advanced, but they're totally willing to accept the advances in drivers, woods, putters, balls.... everything else. They've all improved tremendously, but with irons, all they've done is jack the lofts, except for those pings of course.  It's very odd. 

Depending on how you look at it irons have advanced. Basic blades have not changed any. Now other irons have changed from a design standpoint as in weight placement and like 2 piece faces. Shaft engineering along with the newer heads have changed the game and IMHO has kept some folks in the game longer. Loft jacking is nothing other than changing the number on the bottom of a club and maybe having to add a "wedge" Todays Gap or A wedge is yesterdays PW. Todays 4 iron ( when you can find one ) is yesterdays 2 or 3 iron. Now I will admit a modern Callaway 4 iron with perimeter weighting is a lot easier to launch than a old blade 3 iron and with the newer metals and designs has more ball speed and with the shaft combo has a more penetrating ball flight. But I guess because it is the way I have played my whole life I do prefer the old blades

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I can't think of a single five year period, not to mention fifteen, where my swing stayed constant enough that one set of irons was still a best fit. There were a couple times I simply reshafted, which I can do myslf and enjoy doing, but I really can't fit myself anymore. There's no way I can keep up with the myriad options available today, so I rely on a professional. At this point it's simpler to buy new.

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5 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Depending on how you look at it irons have advanced. Basic blades have not changed any. Now other irons have changed from a design standpoint as in weight placement and like 2 piece faces. Shaft engineering along with the newer heads have changed the game and IMHO has kept some folks in the game longer. Loft jacking is nothing other than changing the number on the bottom of a club and maybe having to add a "wedge" Todays Gap or A wedge is yesterdays PW. Todays 4 iron ( when you can find one ) is yesterdays 2 or 3 iron. Now I will admit a modern Callaway 4 iron with perimeter weighting is a lot easier to launch than a old blade 3 iron and with the newer metals and designs has more ball speed and with the shaft combo has a more penetrating ball flight. But I guess because it is the way I have played my whole life I do prefer the old blades

There were two piece clubs in the 90s, the example that comes immediately to mind are the Tommy Armour 845 Ti irons (I remember there being others, just not remembering model names this morning).  Hollow irons, also, though i don't know if they were foam filled.  They weren't prevalent, for sure.

For forgiveness, nothing seemed to get much higher than the Zing.  Several hit that same area code, but then the G410 and G700 pushed it to a crazy new level.  The G410 iron has an MOI pretty close, maybe higher, than the SLDR 460 driver.  

That's incredible.  To me, anyway.  Makes me wonder about trying a set at some point, though I'm not especially fond of the stock loft gaps.  (fixable)

With the old blades, everything considered an advance exists in the 20th century.  Hogan and Mizuno both had higher bounce blades.  Wilson was moving the CG away from the hosel pretty effectively.  And they managed a pretty high MOI as well; their 68 Dynapowers are as forgiving as anything I've seen listed.

You might enjoy knowing the highest MOI in any blades I've seen are the CF4000.  The downside, the CG is pretty high, and pretty close to the hosel.  😉

 

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5 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

There were two piece clubs in the 90s, the example that comes immediately to mind are the Tommy Armour 845 Ti irons (I remember there being others, just not remembering model names this morning).  Hollow irons, also, though i don't know if they were foam filled.  They weren't prevalent, for sure.

For forgiveness, nothing seemed to get much higher than the Zing.  Several hit that same area code, but then the G410 and G700 pushed it to a crazy new level.  The G410 iron has an MOI pretty close, maybe higher, than the SLDR 460 driver.  

That's incredible.  To me, anyway.  Makes me wonder about trying a set at some point, though I'm not especially fond of the stock loft gaps.  (fixable)

With the old blades, everything considered an advance exists in the 20th century.  Hogan and Mizuno both had higher bounce blades.  Wilson was moving the CG away from the hosel pretty effectively.  And they managed a pretty high MOI as well; their 68 Dynapowers are as forgiving as anything I've seen listed.

You might enjoy knowing the highest MOI in any blades I've seen are the CF4000.  The downside, the CG is pretty high, and pretty close to the hosel.  😉

 

I know there was some 80 90 ish Mizuno driving irons that were hollow. One of my customers bought one and loved it except the sound.  I ended up drilling it near the toe and put some spray foam in it and quitened it down. I had drilled and threaded the toe for a 3/32 allen head screw and epoxeyed it in. I was concerned the toe weight might throw it off. I did use an aluminum screw. I had messed around with the Allen Screws some adjusting weights on some of the Bobby Grace Mark 5 putters so I knew about weight on those. The customer loved it after the conversion in fact he had me modify the other one and he bought it too for his BIL.

Yep I knew that about the CFs I was thinking you or Fellaheem posted the MPF specs on them. In fact I have a Armour VFQ CF PW coming when ever it gets here. The design is a little different on the back and I love the weight placement. Had one of those wedges for years and it got stolen with the Spalding Elite irons back in 77. Never found another one like it. One of the guys on FB on the PGS had it and I pulled the trigger for $25. May pull the Callaway 52 out of the main set if it works out.

About 15 years ago now I built a set of CFs. I had cut the hosel down some and had drilled a tad deeper. Put a set of Rifle 6.5s in them. Man they hit good. My conversion moved the sweet spot out to the middle. A bud of mine I call a traveling pro and gambler was here. He hit them and loved them. Made me an offer I could not refuse cash. Now this guy works a club pro job around Northern Ohio and or Michigan during the summer and has a gig in Florida in the winter. He also high stakes gambles and plays some of the Fla minis some. He had a Nike deal but plays the CFs when the chips are down and the cards are on the table. Have not seen him in like 5 years but we have an agreement that if he ever wants to sell I have first dibs. I had enterained the thought of building another set with 5.5s or Apex shafts before I was hurt never got around to it and steel shafts are more than likely out of the question for me at this stage

 

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One of our club members is a steady 5 Hcap……his irons are Taylormade CGB’s which are a good 16 years old and were rated as Super Game Improvement clubs.  The shafts are steel. He does have graphites in his Taylormade Rescue hybrids, 3 & 5..and he is 61 years old.

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Driver: PXG 0211 w/Evenflo Riptide CB Regular shaft 

Fairways:  Cobra King F8 3-4W(16*), 5-6W(20*) both w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W

Hybrid: Cobra F8 3 Hybrid(19*) w/Recoil ES regular shaft 

Irons: Wilson D7 5-PW w/Recoil 460 Regular graphite shafts 

Wedges: Cleveland RTX Zipcore(50*/54*/58*) w/True Temper Spinner Wedge steel shaft  

Putter: 33" Evnroll ER2 w/Evnroll Gravity Grip 

Bag: Vice cart bag(Black).  

Pushcart:  Caddytek 3.0 from Costco

Ball: Maxfli Tour CG & Titleist Pro V1x.

 

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I keep a set of Mizuno MP-33s at my mothers house in Charlotte and use them when I go to visit.   They have the old S400 True Temper shafts on them.  I currently play the MP-25 with the KBS C-Taper shafts.  Overall, other than a little different feel and a bit less forgiving the irons still hold up well.  Certainly within a half club from what I remember from my round this past spring.   Thinking of bringing the clubs home and selling them and letting someone else that may use them more enjoy them.  Using them once or maybe twice a year seems a bit selfish, even if they are my favorites of all time.  ha ha 

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Taylor Made M5 9 loft

Callaway XHot 14.5 loft

Taylor Made SIM 3 Hybrid 19 loft

Titleist T-MB 716 4 iron

Mizuno MP-25 5-PW

Vokey 52, 56, 60

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