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I had a very similar dilemma when I started up again last spring after a 25-30 year hiatus. I was playing a set of original Armour 845s (3-PW), and picked up a set of Taylormade 4-PW Speedblades from a friend of a friend that are around 8 years old for under $300. The new clubs have stronger lofts, but are much more forgiving on off-center hits, longer and hold greens as well or better than the old ones. FYI, I'm 63, but still fairly strong and flexible due to doing a ton of yoga for the past 20+ years. When I hit the Armours just right the results feel more satisfying, but that doesn't happen all that often at my skill level.

FWIW, both sets are steel shaft regulars, and the Taylormades are a little heavier swing weight.

Having said all that, the difference isn't as extreme as when I changed out my first generation metalwood driver for a couple of years old Calloway epic flash. That added 50+ yards to my drives and keeps more of them in the fairway.

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I've been playing Mizuno MP20's for about 2 years now and absolutely love the feel/look of the clubs.  My only complaint having gone through a pretty good season of tournaments with them, I'm tired of getting punished by distance lost if I don't hit the club pure every time.   That being said, having tested a wide range of brands side by side I've come to conclusion that most of the latest and greatest out there, they all feel really good.  I could use a little more forgiveness now and then along with benefiting from a slightly hotter face/club.  I recently tried the new P790, a club I never ever thought I'd remotely be interested in whatsoever.   Even my pro said forget it.   After hitting them I could not believe the distance gains, forgiveness and feel of them.   I even went so far to try PXG Gen 4 0311, a club/brand I just couldn't see moving to coming off of Mizuno.   I was shocked at how well, far I was hitting them and loved the feel as well.   I'm now contemplating a step down move.   Perhaps P790 in 5-7 irons, P7 MC's in 8-PW as a combo if doable.   Lots of options to consider and tinker with during my "offseason" here in Northeast.   I've come to accept the fact as I'm getting older (yet still maintaining my single digit hcp) going with more forgiveness and hotter faces is not a bad thing.  Its all about getting ball in hole with less strokes.   I think the hardest most challenging thing is going to be the rest of my bag now.   Already some manufacturers are starting to throw out teasers on the 2022 releases and the tech coming out looks sick across the board.   Utility woods like Callaway has are throwing a wrench in things on how to now use them and properly gap the bag.   Fairway woods as well.    Callaway about to release new Rogue line which been told is super hot.   Isn't it nice we have the tech available to us to use.  I will certainly try the new 221's to compare look, feel, gains if any.   Its going to be really hard to pass my MP20's to someone else but the tech thats out there now is just so good, its hard to ignore how one's game could improve with a little added help.

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Interesting point made by chisag earlier. My $1400 JPX900 Forged irons, with over 300 rounds played, have cost me less than $5 per round so far, and I’ll probably keep them another couple years at least. So I wouldn’t feel bad about spending to get what I really want since they don’t cost that much in the larger scheme of things. I’d rather get exactly what I want, and always have, and keep them longer versus trading often for the latest thing. I’ve yet to have new clubs improve my scores over 57 years.  YMMV

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Thanks everyone.

I wasn't expecting this much help.  I certainly don't swing like I did in my twenties but Id do still drink like I did.  With that said, the clubs I have are an off the shelf MacGreagor set.  They weren't great clubs when I bought them but were what I could afford.  Come spring I'll shop around for something more appropriate for my swing and budget.  Thanks for the input.

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I would go through the club fitting now and then you know what to look for over the winter.  Since you won't be in a hurry you can get used to the 'normal' price range for appropriate iron set and look for good deals.  Every couple days do a quick search on the bay and in the classifieds of some of the popular forums to see if something interesting pops up.

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On 11/26/2021 at 10:57 PM, Riverboat said:

Your clubs with your swing. That is certainly not evidence that others would see the same results. I'm not saying they wouldn't, but your presumed assumption that they would is exactly that, extremely presumptuous. 

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Shaft technology is big reason why good players hit drives 50 yards longer now.  Ball tech is also a big advance, and, hey, a new box of balls costs less than a box of shafts.  Club heads are more advanced too, but not as much as shafts.  A new shaft on a 20 or 30 yr old head might surprise you.  Get shaft fitted.  Way better torque control on even modest price shafts. 

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6 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Shaft technology is big reason why good players hit drives 50 yards longer now.  Ball tech is also a big advance, and, hey, a new box of balls costs less than a box of shafts.  Club heads are more advanced too, but not as much as shafts.  A new shaft on a 20 or 30 yr old head might surprise you.  Get shaft fitted.  Way better torque control on even modest price shafts. 

Cost analysis still says to get fitted for a new set. It would be pretty cool if someone out a shaft adapater in an old club head to let you mix and match what might work with the current heads but it’s likely a pipe dream. Unless you are going to build the clubs yourself it’s another cost to add in. 

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On 11/25/2021 at 11:13 AM, DiscipleofPenick said:

There's going to be a big difference in forgiveness between modern irons and 40 year old ones. Also you could probably find a shaft option that fits you better than whatever is in your old clubs.

You don't need new clubs, just something new-er. Get on eBay and you'll find plenty of options of irons from the last decade for a couple hundred bucks, rather than the thousand+ a new set would run.

I for one am not a fan of purchasing clubs off eBay.  A lot of fake clubs are on there and yes you can save hundreds of dollars but buyer beware.  I prefer to purchase from dealers and know that I am getting a quality set and the manufacturer will stand behind the clubs.  Just my two cents worth.  What you purchase off eBay is yours, good bad or indifferent and you have no guarantees.    

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I am a Professional Clubfitter (I’ve been one for 30+ years) and I do hundreds of clubfitting sessions each year.  I can definitely attest to the fact that every aspect of golf equipment design has improved dramatically (maybe even exponentially) over the past couple of decades.  Improvements over the last 4 or 5 years are not nearly as dramatic as they were in the preceding decade, but the advent of hollow-bodied or foam-injected iron heads has been a major step forward in the past few years, as has the trend toward lower COGs in most iron designs.

One week ago today, I did a full-bag fitting for a very good young (early 30s) golfer who currently plays to a 6 handicap, but was a scratch player in college and his early 20s — the work world and his fairly rapid career progression has eaten heavily into his golf playing and practicing time.  He is still playing with forged blade irons that were designed at least 8 to 10 years ago, and besides the fact that the faces are getting “cupped” with grooves really worn-down, they are far from ideal for him and his current limited-practice game.  He plays a Titleist driver and hybrids (no fairway wood in his bag, and he really doesn’t need one) that are 3 to 4 years old, but his irons are about twice that old — or more!  I recommended that he consider a set of Srixon ZX7 irons, or better yet a mixed set of ZX5 longer irons (at least the 5 and 6 irons with no 4-iron in his set) and ZX7 short irons.  I also had him hitting a set of the Tour Edge Exotics C721 foam-injected better-player irons, and he was not only killing them, he hit dead-straight to slight-fade lasers on every shot.  I’m guessing that with either of these sets (Srixon or TEE C721s), he could cut his handicap index in half thanks to the more user-friendly designs alone.

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1 hour ago, funkyjudge said:

I am a Professional Clubfitter (I’ve been one for 30+ years) and I do hundreds of clubfitting sessions each year.  I can definitely attest to the fact that every aspect of golf equipment design has improved dramatically (maybe even exponentially) over the past couple of decades.  Improvements over the last 4 or 5 years are not nearly as dramatic as they were in the preceding decade, but the advent of hollow-bodied or foam-injected iron heads has been a major step forward in the past few years, as has the trend toward lower COGs in most iron designs.

One week ago today, I did a full-bag fitting for a very good young (early 30s) golfer who currently plays to a 6 handicap, but was a scratch player in college and his early 20s — the work world and his fairly rapid career progression has eaten heavily into his golf playing and practicing time.  He is still playing with forged blade irons that were designed at least 8 to 10 years ago, and besides the fact that the faces are getting “cupped” with grooves really worn-down, they are far from ideal for him and his current limited-practice game.  He plays a Titleist driver and hybrids (no fairway wood in his bag, and he really doesn’t need one) that are 3 to 4 years old, but his irons are about twice that old — or more!  I recommended that he consider a set of Srixon ZX7 irons, or better yet a mixed set of ZX5 longer irons (at least the 5 and 6 irons with no 4-iron in his set) and ZX7 short irons.  I also had him hitting a set of the Tour Edge Exotics C721 foam-injected better-player irons, and he was not only killing them, he hit dead-straight to slight-fade lasers on every shot.  I’m guessing that with either of these sets (Srixon or TEE C721s), he could cut his handicap index in half thanks to the more user-friendly designs alone.

You describe some technological changes in irons like foam injected hollow bodies and moving around weighting.  You describe a blade iron set that was past its days due to how long they had been played.   You replaced those blades with more forgiving type iron and say todays irons are better than irons from 10-20 years ago.  What makes new irons better than irons that were in a comparable class from 10-20 years ago like a Mizuno MP-60 from 2006ish.   This is something that I have always struggled with;  I just don't see significant performance improvements from irons.  

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On 11/29/2021 at 7:22 PM, cnosil said:

You describe some technological changes in irons like foam injected hollow bodies and moving around weighting.  You describe a blade iron set that was past its days due to how long they had been played.   You replaced those blades with more forgiving type iron and say todays irons are better than irons from 10-20 years ago.  What makes new irons better than irons that were in a comparable class from 10-20 years ago like a Mizuno MP-60 from 2006ish.   This is something that I have always struggled with;  I just don't see significant performance improvements from irons.  

There are a multitude of features that make today's irons easier to hit (and easier to hit straight) than irons that were manufactured even ten years ago.  Those foam-injected hollow bodies and the increased low-and-back weighting are among those features, and they make even some irons that look an awful lot like blades, or at the least like better-player's irons, more forgiving than some so-called "game improvement" irons of only a decade or so back.

If you don't see significant performance improvements with the TM P790 (and even P770), Tour Edge Exotics C721 and E721, and virtually every PXG iron that has ever been made, then there is nothing that I can say to convince you.  Believe me, as a clubfitter, I see tremendous improvements in these, and many other, modern irons.

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10 hours ago, funkyjudge said:

There are a multitude of features that make today's irons easier to hit (and easier to hit straight) than irons that were manufactured even ten years ago.  Those foam-injected hollow bodies and the increased low-and-back weighting are among those features, and they make even some irons that look an awful lot like blades, or at the least like better-player's irons, more forgiving than some so-called "game improvement" irons of only a decade or so back.

If you don't see significant performance improvements with the TM P790 (and even P770), Tour Edge Exotics C721 and E721, and virtually every PXG iron that has ever been made, then there is nothing that I can say to convince you.  Believe me, as a clubfitter, I see tremendous improvements in these, and many other, modern irons.

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I don’t get the easier to hit straight. Isn’t straight based on path and face orientation? To my knowledge irons don’t have bulge and roll like on drivers.  I’ll agree that the designs look like blades of old but really aren’t blades based on weighting and construction.  I guess the foam filled/hollow bodies allow more weight to be placed on the extremes to reduce rotation on miss hits and help launch the ball higher.
 

having hit all those clubs you do see distance increases and if performance =distance then these clubs do perform “better”.   What creates that distance increase appears to be low spin?   What I don’t seem to see is better total dispersion; maybe short long but not left right.   
 

Thanks for the response,  maybe it’s more swing related or something I need to dig into deeper.  

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50 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I don’t get the easier to hit straight. Isn’t straight based on path and face orientation? To my knowledge irons don’t have bulge and roll like on drivers.  I’ll agree that the designs look like blades of old but really aren’t blades based on weighting and construction.  I guess the foam filled/hollow bodies allow more weight to be placed on the extremes to reduce rotation on miss hits and help launch the ball higher.
 

having hit all those clubs you do see distance increases and if performance =distance then these clubs do perform “better”.   What creates that distance increase appears to be low spin?   What I don’t seem to see is better total dispersion; maybe short long but not left right.   
 

Thanks for the response,  maybe it’s more swing related or something I need to dig into deeper.  

I think most players acknowledge that it's easier to work the ball, both trajectory and curve, with blades than with game improvement irons. So why doesn't it make sense that as the weight is moved even more to the extremes of the head, this would reduce even more so the tendency to curve the ball, i.e. hit it straighter. I know that my new pxg 0211s have virtually eliminated the raging hook that has always been my most annoying and costly miss.

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44 minutes ago, Riverboat said:

I think most players acknowledge that it's easier to work the ball, both trajectory and curve, with blades than with game improvement irons. So why doesn't it make sense that as the weight is moved even more to the extremes of the head, this would reduce even more so the tendency to curve the ball, i.e. hit it straighter. I know that my new pxg 0211s have virtually eliminated the raging hook that has always been my most annoying and costly miss.

YOu didn’t answer the original question.  And I don’t acknowledge your fact; hence my asking for more details.  I know overanalyzing, but I don’t see comparable clubs going straighter.  Impact conditions determine ball flight.  Dynamic loft influences backspin and face angle and path influence left/right curve.  Answer this: Given the same launch conditions, why would a GI travel straighter than a players iron? For a center strike there should be no difference other than backspin and vertical launch which means more distance not decreased curve.   On an off center strike with same conditions, the players iron will want to twist which reduces ball speed and maybe increases curve.  actual performance impact  would be getting into how much the person misses the center of the face.  The perimeter weighting should influence the clubs rate of rotation.  So a GI club should rotate in the swing more slowly which could help a player deliver the face angle more consistently.   Maybe that last part is actually the answer to my original question on older GI vs new GI clubs.  The hollow body designs and lighter metals, clubs have more perimeter weighting than 10+ years ago which helps control face angle so once a player figures out how to deliver the club close to square it is easier to repeat?  

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11 minutes ago, cnosil said:

YOu didn’t answer the original question.  And I don’t acknowledge your fact; hence my asking for more details.  I know overanalyzing, but I don’t see comparable clubs going straighter.  Impact conditions determine ball flight.  Dynamic loft influences backspin and face angle and path influence left/right curve.  Answer this: Given the same launch conditions, why would a GI travel straighter than a players iron? For a center strike there should be no difference other than backspin and vertical launch which means more distance not decreased curve.   On an off center strike with same conditions, the players iron will want to twist which reduces ball speed and maybe increases curve.  actual performance impact  would be getting into how much the person misses the center of the face.  The perimeter weighting should influence the clubs rate of rotation.  So a GI club should rotate in the swing more slowly which could help a player deliver the face angle more consistently.   Maybe that last part is actually the answer to my original question on older GI vs new GI clubs.  The hollow body designs and lighter metals, clubs have more perimeter weighting than 10+ years ago which helps control face angle so once a player figures out how to deliver the club close to square it is easier to repeat?  

So all the good players who avoid gi irons because they are more difficult to work are wrong?

You say "On an off center strike with same conditions, the players iron will want to twist which reduces ball speed and maybe increases curve." Exactly!! Since I and most amateurs miss the center of the face most of the time, this happens, so the gi irons fly straighter. You made my case for me. 

The raging hook I referenced earlier was almost always a toe strike. That same strike with the 0211s is a draw that is still playable. 

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43 minutes ago, Riverboat said:

So all the good players who avoid gi irons because they are more difficult to work are wrong?

You say "On an off center strike with same conditions, the players iron will want to twist which reduces ball speed and maybe increases curve." Exactly!! Since I and most amateurs miss the center of the face most of the time, this happens, so the gi irons fly straighter. You made my case for me. 

The raging hook I referenced earlier was almost always a toe strike. That same strike with the 0211s is a draw that is still playable. 

I personally think it is more related to feedback.  Good players want to know why a ball,reacted the way it did.  I find with GI and SGI clubs is that it is more difficult to tell where you strike the ball on the face not that it is more difficult to work. 

But again, you aren’t addressing my original question.  I don’t disagree that by switching categories of clubs that performance is different.  Stay in the same category of clubs.  Why is a 2021 players iron better than a 2000 players iron?  Why is a 2021 GI iron better than a 2000 GI iron?  If both clubs were in pristine condition what makes the newer club so much better?  

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4 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I personally think it is more related to feedback.  Good players want to know why a ball,reacted the way it did.  I find with GI and SGI clubs is that it is more difficult to tell where you strike the ball on the face not that it is more difficult to work. 

But again, you aren’t addressing my original question.  I don’t disagree that by switching categories of clubs that performance is different.  Stay in the same category of clubs.  Why is a 2021 players iron better than a 2000 players iron?  Why is a 2021 GI iron better than a 2000 GI iron?  If both clubs were in pristine condition what makes the newer club so much better?  

You said "I guess the foam filled/hollow bodies allow more weight to be placed on the extremes to reduce rotation on miss hits"

again answering your own question. I think it's clear that companies have continued to find ways to continue to move weight, and thus have continued to reduce the severity on miss hits. Look, if you want to continue to play older irons do it. I'm not as deep into the science of this as you seem to be, but I can see results. When I bought my Taylormades 8ish years ago, they reduced my miss hits over my previous set. About the only killer shot I still hit was the severe toe hook. Now the 0211s... longer, 80%of shots are straight or a very slight draw, and the big hook is pretty much gone. 

As far as the low handicap players I've discussed it with and the ones I've seen on various media discussing it I'd say it's about 50-50 those who talk about feel and those who talk about workability, and workability is nearly always discussed as a factor when reviews are done. Can't see why they'd discuss it if every club in a given category was always the same. 

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