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1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Also watch this video, it's one of the best that Ian and Matt did, and shows that you can't simply go by the high/low launch shafts that companies market them as.   As RB said, many factors go into it, clubhead, loft, swing dynamics etc.   But the comparision puts in black and white how just simply the shaft alone,  doesn't make a high or low ball flight.

 

... Love Ian's video's! Not quote sure about this one though. The soft tipped shaft was clearly being struck very low on the face which usually reduces spin and trajectory. If Shawn had more time or they dialed in the contact point there is a good chance spin and trajectory would both be higher. The stiffer tipped shaft most likely did not kick as much through impact and produced center strikes but they never showed the contact point with the stiffer shaft? All that said the end result was the stiffer tipped shaft launched higher with more spin and there is no way to know if Shawn could make better contact with the softer tip. So to you guys and the video's point, I agree you can't choose just by a marketing label. 

... I would also add how you swing can make a big difference as well. Having just gone through 3 different fittings and the last one a full hour just to dial in a driver shaft the differences were pretty apparent. I have a smooth swing around 95 mph that can get higher but usually right around that number. Taking a normal swing what is marketed as a mid bend mid spin mid trajectory shaft worked best every time. When swinging a stiffer tip I naturally adjusted to swinging harder (not faster) to get the feel I like because the shaft did not feel like it was releasing through impact and for me produced a slightly lower trajectory. Not night and day just a little bit lower. Swing a softer tip shaft I immediately changed my delivery just slightly by de-lofting the head holding off my release just a little because the shaft felt a little too active and after the first drive that was a little higher, the subsequent drives were actually lower. A stronger hitter with the same swing speed would most likely find a completely different result. Michael Newtons excellent video below is very informative. 

... My swing adjustments were subconscious and while I could tell they weren't my best swings I was trying to swing as normal as possible. My fitter was as good as it gets and he would tell me exactly what I did after 2/3 swings and take the shaft away and install one he knew I would swing well, then alternate with one he just wanted to see how I would handle it. Then after taking notes of all the ones that produced the best numbers and my best swings, he had me hit them all again to narrow it to the best. Everyone of those had a similar profile. As a side not one of the best was the stock RCH 55 that was very close in performance to the new Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 55 and Graphite Design AD-IZ6 although both had a slightly better feel, but I could play the RCH 55 and be very happy. 

... I am a lifelong shaft ho and I still learned some new things at this last fitting. It is probably at least my 20th and I just can't recommend getting fit highly enough. Many area's have free Demo Days and while not as detailed as a private fitting, they are still pretty accurate and will certainly get you in the right ball park. 

 

 

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Fairway:  :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 15/16.5/18* ... Tensei Raw Blue 65R
Utility:      :taylormade-small: UDi 18* ... Even Flow Black 85R
                 :taylormade-small: DHy 19* ... Diamana Ltd 65R
                  :taylormade-small: Sim Hybrid 22* ... Diamana Ltd 75R
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Wedges:   :taylormade-small: MG3 50*/MG3 58* LB ... Steelfiber i95R
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8 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Love Ian's video's! Not quote sure about this one though. The soft tipped shaft was clearly being struck low on the face which usually reduces spin and trajectory. If Shawn had more time or they dialed in the contact point there is a good chance spin and trajectory would both be higher. The stiffer tipped shaft most likely did not kick as much through impact and produced center strikes but they never showed the contact point with the stiffer shaft? All that said the end result was the stiffer tipped shaft launched higher with more spin and there is no way to know if Shawn could make better contact with the softer tip. So to you guys and the video's point, I agree you can't choose just by a marketing label. 

... I would also add how you swing can make a big difference as well. Having just gone through 3 different fittings and the last one a full hour just to dial in a driver shaft the differences were pretty apparent. I have a smooth swing around 95 mph that can get higher but usually right around that number. Taking a normal swing what is marketed as a mid bend mid spin mid trajectory shaft worked best every time. When swinging a stiffer tip I naturally adjusted to swinging harder (not faster) to get the feel I like because the shaft did not feel like it was releasing through impact and for me produced a slightly lower trajectory. Not night and day just a little bit lower. Swing a softer tip shaft I immediately changed my delivery just slightly by de-lofting the head holding off my release just a little because the shaft felt a little too active and after the first drive that was a little higher, the subsequent drives were actually lower. A stronger hitter with the same swing speed would most likely find a completely different result. Michael Newtons excellent video below is very informative. 

... My swing adjustments were subconscious and while I could tell they weren't my best swings I was trying to swing as normal as possible. My fitter was as good as it gets and he would tell me exactly what I did after 2/3 swings and take the shaft away and install one he knew I would swing well, then alternate with one he just wanted to see how I would handle it. Then after taking notes of all the ones that produced the best numbers and my best swings, he had me hit them all again to narrow it to the best. Everyone of those had a similar profile. As a side not one of the best was the stock RCH 55 that was very close in performance to the new Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 55 and Graphite Design AD-IZ6 although both had a slightly better feel, but I could play the RCH 55 and be very happy. 

... I am a lifelong shaft ho and I still learned some new things at this last fitting. It is probably at least my 20th and I just can't recommend getting fit highly enough. Many area's have free Demo Days and while not as detailed as a private fitting, they are still pretty accurate and will certainly get you in the right ball park. 

 

 

Lower strike = more spin

Higher strike = less spin

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10 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Love Ian's video's! Not quote sure about this one though. The soft tipped shaft was clearly being struck low on the face which usually reduces spin and trajectory. If Shawn had more time or they dialed in the contact point there is a good chance spin and trajectory would both be higher. The stiffer tipped shaft most likely did not kick as much through impact and produced center strikes but they never showed the contact point with the stiffer shaft? All that said the end result was the stiffer tipped shaft launched higher with more spin and there is no way to know if Shawn could make better contact with the softer tip. So to you guys and the video's point, I agree you can't choose just by a marketing label. 

... I would also add how you swing can make a big difference as well. Having just gone through 3 different fittings and the last one a full hour just to dial in a driver shaft the differences were pretty apparent. I have a smooth swing around 95 mph that can get higher but usually right around that number. Taking a normal swing what is marketed as a mid bend mid spin mid trajectory shaft worked best every time. When swinging a stiffer tip I naturally adjusted to swinging harder (not faster) to get the feel I like because the shaft did not feel like it was releasing through impact and for me produced a slightly lower trajectory. Not night and day just a little bit lower. Swing a softer tip shaft I immediately changed my delivery just slightly by de-lofting the head holding off my release just a little because the shaft felt a little too active and after the first drive that was a little higher, the subsequent drives were actually lower. A stronger hitter with the same swing speed would most likely find a completely different result. Michael Newtons excellent video below is very informative. 

... My swing adjustments were subconscious and while I could tell they weren't my best swings I was trying to swing as normal as possible. My fitter was as good as it gets and he would tell me exactly what I did after 2/3 swings and take the shaft away and install one he knew I would swing well, then alternate with one he just wanted to see how I would handle it. Then after taking notes of all the ones that produced the best numbers and my best swings, he had me hit them all again to narrow it to the best. Everyone of those had a similar profile. As a side not one of the best was the stock RCH 55 that was very close in performance to the new Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 55 and Graphite Design AD-IZ6 although both had a slightly better feel, but I could play the RCH 55 and be very happy. 

... I am a lifelong shaft ho and I still learned some new things at this last fitting. It is probably at least my 20th and I just can't recommend getting fit highly enough. Many area's have free Demo Days and while not as detailed as a private fitting, they are still pretty accurate and will certainly get you in the right ball park. 

 

 

Chi...I compltely posted the wrong video from the one I watched.  I guess he did a couple of these.  I didn't watch the one with shawn that I posted in error. 

I just posted the one with Matt.   

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:titelist-small: TSi1 20 and 23 degree hybrids Aldila Ascent Shafts R

:titelist-small: T300 5-P Tensei  R flex shaft 1/4 long 

:titelist-small: SM8 48F/54/58 D Grinds 

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58 minutes ago, chisag said:

... I would also add how you swing can make a big difference as well. Having just gone through 3 different fittings and the last one a full hour just to dial in a driver shaft the differences were pretty apparent. I have a smooth swing around 95 mph that can get higher but usually right around that number. Taking a normal swing what is marketed as a mid bend mid spin mid trajectory shaft worked best every time. When swinging a stiffer tip I naturally adjusted to swinging harder (not faster) to get the feel I like because the shaft did not feel like it was releasing through impact and for me produced a slightly lower trajectory. Not night and day just a little bit lower. Swing a softer tip shaft I immediately changed my delivery just slightly by de-lofting the head holding off my release just a little because the shaft felt a little too active and after the first drive that was a little higher, the subsequent drives were actually lower. A stronger hitter with the same swing speed would most likely find a completely different result. Michael Newtons excellent video below is very informative. 

... My swing adjustments were subconscious and while I could tell they weren't my best swings I was trying to swing as normal as possible. My fitter was as good as it gets and he would tell me exactly what I did after 2/3 swings and take the shaft away and install one he knew I would swing well, then alternate with one he just wanted to see how I would handle it. Then after taking notes of all the ones that produced the best numbers and my best swings, he had me hit them all again to narrow it to the best. Everyone of those had a similar profile. As a side not one of the best was the stock RCH 55 that was very close in performance to the new Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 55 and Graphite Design AD-IZ6 although both had a slightly better feel, but I could play the RCH 55 and be very happy. 

... I am a lifelong shaft ho and I still learned some new things at this last fitting. It is probably at least my 20th and I just can't recommend getting fit highly enough.

Exactly why anyone coming on a forum asking what shaft whether it’s profile like low/low, flex or any other category is going to get a bunch of answers and why nobody can say shaft X will be best.

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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8 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Exactly why anyone coming on a forum asking what shaft whether it’s profile like low/low, flex or any other category is going to get a bunch of answers and why nobody can say shaft X will be best.

I'll tell you why, I've done the truefitgolf app got two choices. Srixon zx7 with reg shaft and Wilson D9 with reg shaft, But no mention of Loft so wonder how accurate that is, or is loft hidden somewhere? No idea...

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8 hours ago, Bang60 said:

I'll tell you why, I've done the truefitgolf app got two choices. Srixon zx7 with reg shaft and Wilson D9 with reg shaft, But no mention of Loft so wonder how accurate that is, or is loft hidden somewhere? No idea...

The loft should be visible on the driver head in each pic. 
 

As for accuracy it’s going to be more accurate with the more data you provide. While it won’t be as accurate as an in person fitting with someone who can get your feedback on clubs, see launch monitor numbers and possibly watch ball flight if outdoors and can use all of that to make adjustments to head style, loft, adapter setting and shafts, it’s going to be a better guess than the random answers from the members here which will end up being a lot of experimenting and could be costly and you may still not find any improvement from those suggestions.

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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I can’t be sure on the zx7 but 8-9 loft?? D9 nothing.. Can you guess?

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37 minutes ago, Bang60 said:

I can’t be sure on the zx7 but 8-9 loft?? D9 nothing.. Can you guess?

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9.5 for the zx7 and 10.5 for the d9

Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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1 hour ago, Bang60 said:

I can’t be sure on the zx7 but 8-9 loft?? D9 nothing.. Can you guess?

 

I think those are just stock pictures and don't reflect the loft you would need.   You would need to hit the club to identify the loft that gives you the correct launch conditions. 

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2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

9.5 for the zx7 and 10.5 for the d9

Ahhh, you got better eyes than me. Thanks...

Are they New drivers, I'm thinking old because no adapters?

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6 hours ago, Bang60 said:

Ahhh, you got better eyes than me. Thanks...

Are they New drivers, I'm thinking old because no adapters?

Those are the current drivers for both companies.  
 

The Srixon does have an adjustable loft sleeve.  The Wilson is a glued hosel as it’s a lower level price line, than some of the other current models out there. 

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:titelist-small: T300 5-P Tensei  R flex shaft 1/4 long 

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7 hours ago, Bang60 said:

Ahhh, you got better eyes than me. Thanks...

Are they New drivers, I'm thinking old because no adapters?

I know why lofts they offer so it’s easy to tell but all one has to do is go to the website of each company to see the lofts offered as well as whether they are new or not or if the have adapters or not.

Some brands offer both adjustable and non adjustable clubs. 

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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9 hours ago, cnosil said:

I think those are just stock pictures and don't reflect the loft you would need.   You would need to hit the club to identify the loft that gives you the correct launch conditions. 

Right, still too many variables so none the wiser except I have a Tensei Red shaft to match the one suggested except it's Stiff not reg. But it's only 60grams so I'm going to try it out maybe it'll be ok...

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On 6/1/2022 at 7:44 PM, Bang60 said:

I can’t be sure on the zx7 but 8-9 loft?? D9 nothing.. Can you guess?

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If you click on the buy it now feature, the club they are recommending with come up with the loft. You can just back out and not purchase it.

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8 hours ago, GaDawg said:

If you click on the buy it now feature, the club they are recommending with come up with the loft. You can just back out and not purchase it.

Strange thing is I tried the buy now but it didn't do anything, so I might try again?

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11 hours ago, GaDawg said:

If you click on the buy it now feature, the club they are recommending with come up with the loft. You can just back out and not purchase it.

I tried it and this doesn’t seem to work as you indicated.   One of my recommendations went to the default Callaway order screen and the other went to global golf with a configuration that did not match what was recommended. 

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4 hours ago, Bang60 said:

Strange thing is I tried the buy now but it didn't do anything, so I might try again?

I don't know, but it worked for me.

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3 Wood: :taylormade-small: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff
Hybrid: :titelist-small: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff
Irons: :titelist-small:  7 - PW T100S, 4 -6 T200 all with Nippon NS Pro 880 AMC Chrome Stiff 

Irons: :cobra-small: 4 - PW King Forged Tec with Aerotech Steelfiber I95 Stiff

Wedges:  :titelist-small: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 56*, 60*  Standard Wedge Shafts   

Putter:  :scotty-cameron-1: Phantom X 5.5           
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Hit my 12deg Stealth quite well today, getting good height on the course but didn't use my Rapsodo launch monitor so don't know how high. Carry seems a little more than in the nets and windy with softer ground, it was brilliant to actually play 18 holes after not playing since March 2021. Two picks I had to take because they confirm two things I'm doing good lol.. On a par 3 in one and my duvet hitting into a green..

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