ClarkWGriswoldIII 87 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 The site must be getting overwhelmed as the page is not opening up or they've taken it down temporarily to fix something. Quote Epic Max Driver, 9*, Project X HZRDUS Smoke 50g Epic Max 3-wood, Project X HZRDUS Smoke G425 Max 7-wood Hot Metal 921, 5-GW, UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Graphite 286 Forged Wedges, 52* and 56* Infinite Buckingham putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 729 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 6 minutes ago, ClarkWGriswoldIII said: The site must be getting overwhelmed as the page is not opening up or they've taken it down temporarily to fix something. They are probably fixing the picture of the Wilson driver mentioned above since it is still under embargo.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer 6,679 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 19 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: They are probably fixing the picture of the Wilson driver mentioned above since it is still under embargo.... They fixed the first image of it, but forgot the 2nd smaller one down in the spec list. Quote Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb 9,653 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 7 minutes ago, hckymeyer said: They fixed the first image of it, but forgot the 2nd smaller one down in the spec list. The first one was blurred out right from the start, which is why it was funny to see it clear as day down below. Whoops! Quote In my carry bag: Mavrik Max 10.5* R Flex Evenflow RipTide Hy-Wood Launcher 5h D200 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* #10 e12 Contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 729 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 One thing about these Most Wanted tests I still don't understand is how they select the clubs that get tested. I mean PXG had a strong showing last year with the 0211 and this year there isn't PXG driver in the test. I get that it isn't new, but that doesn't ever seem to have been a criteria for inclusion as long as the club is the current offering from that manufacturer. I mean the G425 isn't new for this year but was included same with ZX5 & ZX7. Also, after a couple of years of reviewing these most wanted tests, especially driver, I have come to the conclusion that the test is really just a reflection of the specific testers used in that particular year. I know that this is the most thorough test in the industry and I love the data and reading about it, but I have to wonder if there simply aren't enough testers to provide accurate conclusions. It's happened in several tests where a specific product did OK one year and then in it's second year of the product run is all of a sudden way better. Or vice versa, where a product that scores in the top 3 is all of a sudden middle of the pack the next year. I mean TSi2 went from 2nd to 11th, TSi3 went from 9th to 4th and if I recall Ping G425 was middle of the road last year and now is #1 (looks like it was subsequently removed from last years results due to a technicality). To me, that just demonstrates the disclaimer that MGS always puts on the tests, that this is just a starting point and you really need to go get fitted to see what works best for you because the results really do vary that much from club to club and tester to tester. For example, the SFT drivers always score poorly even though they are fantastic at what they are designed to do. That tells me that the test field doesn't include very many slicers. If the test field was mainly 25-30 handicaps, we'd see SFT as the most wanted club and TSi3 finishing near the bottom. Just noticed they didn't include last year's winner either. I thought that was going to be a thing going forward.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juspoole 3,326 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 7 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: For example, the SFT drivers always score poorly even though they are fantastic at what they are designed to do. That tells me that the test field doesn't include very many slicers. If the test field was mainly 25-30 handicaps, we'd see SFT as the most wanted club and TSi3 finishing near the bottom. I think you might see those score higher when they release the updated results for best driver by swing speed. As a rule, more mid to higher handicaps usually have lower swing speed and will slice the ball more often. Just saying this as the larger rule, definitely a lot of guys who don't do that in those categories. Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X 2 Hybrid: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*) 3 Hybrid 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*) 4 Iron - T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft Irons 5-PW: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X Gap/Sand Wedge: Vokey SM6 49* SM8 54* Lob Wedge: Jaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff Putter: Phantom 5.5 34" Pro Platinum Newport 2 35" Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jddaigneault 1,971 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 6 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: One thing about these Most Wanted tests I still don't understand is how they select the clubs that get tested. I mean PXG had a strong showing last year with the 0211 and this year there isn't PXG driver in the test. I get that it isn't new, but that doesn't ever seem to have been a criteria for inclusion as long as the club is the current offering from that manufacturer. I mean the G425 isn't new for this year but was included same with ZX5 & ZX7. Also, after a couple of years of reviewing these most wanted tests, especially driver, I have come to the conclusion that the test is really just a reflection of the specific testers used in that particular year. I know that this is the most thorough test in the industry and I love the data and reading about it, but I have to wonder if there simply aren't enough testers to provide accurate conclusions. It's happened in several tests where a specific product did OK one year and then in it's second year of the product run is all of a sudden way better. Or vice versa, where a product that scores in the top 3 is all of a sudden middle of the pack the next year. I mean TSi2 went from 2nd to 11th, TSi3 went from 9th to 4th and if I recall Ping G425 was middle of the road last year and now is #1 (looks like it was subsequently removed from last years results due to a technicality). To me, that just demonstrates the disclaimer that MGS always puts on the tests, that this is just a starting point and you really need to go get fitted to see what works best for you because the results really do vary that much from club to club and tester to tester. For example, the SFT drivers always score poorly even though they are fantastic at what they are designed to do. That tells me that the test field doesn't include very many slicers. If the test field was mainly 25-30 handicaps, we'd see SFT as the most wanted club and TSi3 finishing near the bottom. Just noticed they didn't include last year's winner either. I thought that was going to be a thing going forward.... I had similar thoughts. Why wasn’t the G425 included last year? How does it stack up against last year’s winner? It would also be neat if there was a comparison tool that sorted everything in a simpler way than the tableau. If I’m looking at three drivers, can I compare them side by side. Just a thought. Quote Taylormade M5 Driver Cobra F9 3 Wood Srixon ZX5 4-6 Iron Srixon ZX7 7-PW Taylormade MG2 Wedges 50/55/60 Taylormade Spider X Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juspoole 3,326 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, jddaigneault said: It would also be neat if there was a comparison tool that sorted everything in a simpler way than the tableau. If I’m looking at three drivers, can I compare them side by side. Just a thought. I saw there was a link for more data, but when I clicked it came up as not found. I wonder if that's what they were after? Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X 2 Hybrid: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*) 3 Hybrid 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*) 4 Iron - T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft Irons 5-PW: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X Gap/Sand Wedge: Vokey SM6 49* SM8 54* Lob Wedge: Jaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff Putter: Phantom 5.5 34" Pro Platinum Newport 2 35" Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 729 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, juspoole said: I think you might see those score higher when they release the updated results for best driver by swing speed. As a rule, more mid to higher handicaps usually have lower swing speed and will slice the ball more often. Just saying this as the larger rule, definitely a lot of guys who don't do that in those categories. I know, I was just using that as an extreme example of how much influence the specific tester group can have on the test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev 25,438 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Beyond a doubt it provides a starting point - I enjoy looking at the results. What stood out to me this year is that the big three in driver sales were basically the big three in the Most Wanted Testing. I didn't look closely at what was tested but to me it appears as if the results were chalk - Ping best overall, TMag tops for distance, Callaway splitting the difference. I will say from personal fitting/testing that the Stealth produced faster ball speeds than the Ping, Titleist or my SIM 2 driver. For me its a significant enough difference to give it a try. I also found that while I'm able to really pop one with my auto flex shaft in, the dispersion with that shaft is not optimal for me. It's going on ebay to pay for a new stealth and I will keep the old SIM 2 around for a bit as a back up. I already sold my Ping G410. No doubt we will be talking about these test results for a while. Thanks MGS and your testers. 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 10.5 Aldila Ascent Red R flex Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Wilson D7 forged 5-GW - Mamiya recoil 460 R flex Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's EVNRoll ER 5 Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them Still on that elusive hunt for a 3 wood that I'm able to hit - I don't know why, I crush the 5 wood and it's really a 4 wood anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digiburdie 189 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 YES! so happy these articles are hitting now... made this earlier. 2 2 Quote Twitter: @bobbyburdette Instagram: bobbyburdette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jddaigneault 1,971 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 9 minutes ago, juspoole said: I saw there was a link for more data, but when I clicked it came up as not found. I wonder if that's what they were after? They always have the tableau, but it doesn’t allow for direct side by side across all categories. You have to sort and run your own analysis, which is simple enough if you feel comfortable navigating the data. Quote Taylormade M5 Driver Cobra F9 3 Wood Srixon ZX5 4-6 Iron Srixon ZX7 7-PW Taylormade MG2 Wedges 50/55/60 Taylormade Spider X Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil 25,292 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 11 minutes ago, juspoole said: I saw there was a link for more data, but when I clicked it came up as not found. I wonder if that's what they were after? I let them know and they are looking into that problem. 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 5-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54-10S 588 58-12 Putter: Auditions ongoing Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, mFGP2, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil 25,292 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 24 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: One thing about these Most Wanted tests I still don't understand is how they select the clubs that get tested. I mean PXG had a strong showing last year with the 0211 and this year there isn't PXG driver in the test. I get that it isn't new, but that doesn't ever seem to have been a criteria for inclusion as long as the club is the current offering from that manufacturer. I mean the G425 isn't new for this year but was included same with ZX5 & ZX7. Also, after a couple of years of reviewing these most wanted tests, especially driver, I have come to the conclusion that the test is really just a reflection of the specific testers used in that particular year. The PXG new releases weren’t available for the test. The staff reaches out to the manufacturers and requests the latest product by a deadline. Products that are included multiple years are the current years offering. 425 is this years Ping Offering, same with Srixon. the tester pool changes and MGS also refines their algorithms. What you also have to remember is that most wanted reflects the best driver for the largest percentage of testers and that percentage could be 10% and when you get new testers, the best driver could float around as they are only separated by a couple of percentage points. My most wanted driver was the Cleveland Launcher Xl Lite. 2 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 5-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54-10S 588 58-12 Putter: Auditions ongoing Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, mFGP2, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH 7,962 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 minutes ago, cnosil said: The PXG new releases weren’t available for the test. The staff reaches out to the manufacturers and requests the latest product by a deadline. Products that are included multiple years are the current years offering. 425 is this years Ping Offering, same with Srixon. the tester pool changes and MGS also refines their algorithms. What you also have to remember is that most wanted reflects the best driver for the largest percentage of testers and that percentage could be 10% and when you get new testers, the best driver could float around as they are only separated by a couple of percentage points. My most wanted driver was the Cleveland Launcher Xl Lite. Added to this point with release cycles and this being a early season article with only Cobra/Cleveland/Callaway/Tour Edge and TM officially releasing their new 2022 drivers it makes sense that the Srixon and Ping are still there. It is the current driver that is being used and last year I believe when the Most Wanted Driver results were completed the 410 was still Pings "current" model. 2 Quote as of April 15, 2022 SuperSpeed 2020 from 100-112 and climbing! Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero - Set at 9.5* with Aldila Rogue Max 65 gram Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ weight back G410 Crossover - 2 and 4 iron Irons: i210 5-U w/ Nippon Modus 105 stiff (2018 Tester) Wedge: Glide 2.0 54* 58* w/ Nippon Modus 105 Stiff Putter: Stroke Lab 7 35* and oversized grip (2019 Tester) Balls: Z Star Other: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azstu324 4,528 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 1/4/2022 at 5:58 PM, cnosil said: We will have to see. May not be for all testers; I hit the stealth today and it wasn't my fastest. It was very consistent though. Most wanted testing is done with the various stock offerings. They tweak the shafts to get good launch/spin conditions. I'm starting to get into the big boys during testing....today was a Cobra driver, Stealth, and Callaway Rogue triple diamond LS. May have an answer for the poll soon I foresee that the new chase will have to be ball speed AND forgiveness. I know that those have been somewhat separate ball games (pun intended) in years past. I just don't see any OEM being able to squeeze out that much more raw speed being that all of their toes are right on the line of USGA conformity. Now that they've all got their secret formulas figured out for max ball speed, I'd imagine that the only way to produce something even better is to help us find the sweet spot more consistently and make the "not so sweet" spot even more forgiving while maintaining the same ball speed. IMO, the phrase of the year will be SMASH FACTOR, SMASH FACTOR, SMASH FACTOR. 1 Quote STZ 10.5* / Fujikura MotoreX F1 6X F6 3 Wood 14* / Fujikura MotoreX F3 6S G400 7 Wood RAZR X Muscleback Irons/FCM Precision 6.5 Rifle TSW Wedges - 50/6 + 56/12 EAS 1.0 / Grip master 2.0 TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil 25,292 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 41 minutes ago, juspoole said: I saw there was a link for more data, but when I clicked it came up as not found. I wonder if that's what they were after? The link is missing a trailing /. https://mygolfspy.com/most-wanted-driver-2022-data/ Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 5-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54-10S 588 58-12 Putter: Auditions ongoing Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, mFGP2, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 729 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 48 minutes ago, jddaigneault said: I had similar thoughts. Why wasn’t the G425 included last year? How does it stack up against last year’s winner? It would also be neat if there was a comparison tool that sorted everything in a simpler way than the tableau. If I’m looking at three drivers, can I compare them side by side. Just a thought. G425 was included last year but at some point after the article was originally published, it was removed because apparently they received a pre-production model for testing that somehow differed from what showed up at retail which disqualifies the club. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil 25,292 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 22 minutes ago, azstu324 said: I foresee that the new chase will have to be ball speed AND forgiveness. I know that those have been somewhat separate ball games (pun intended) in years past. I just don't see any OEM being able to squeeze out that much more raw speed being that all of their toes are right on the line of USGA conformity. Now that they've all got their secret formulas figured out for max ball speed, I'd imagine that the only way to produce something even better is to help us find the sweet spot more consistently and make the "not so sweet" spot even more forgiving while maintaining the same ball speed. IMO, the phrase of the year will be SMASH FACTOR, SMASH FACTOR, SMASH FACTOR. There will be two things that they chase. As you mentioned, how can the driver be more forgiving and additionally how can it be made so the player can swing it faster. 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 5-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54-10S 588 58-12 Putter: Auditions ongoing Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, mFGP2, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR 9,637 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, ChitownM2 said: To me, that just demonstrates the disclaimer that MGS always puts on the tests, that this is just a starting point and you really need to go get fitted to see what works best for you because the results really do vary that much from club to club and tester to tester. This is why I don’t even consider it a starting point nor does it have any influence on what I try or choose not to try. Even at the same swing speed two golfers aren’t going to have the same results, even if both have similar description for their transition. Self testing to see what one likes imo is the starting point then after narrow it down based on whatever criteria the golfer chooses, go get fit for the short list 32 minutes ago, azstu324 said: I foresee that the new chase will have to be ball speed AND forgiveness. I know that those have been somewhat separate ball games (pun intended) in years past. I just don't see any OEM being able to squeeze out that much more raw speed being that all of their toes are right on the line of USGA conformity. Now that they've all got their secret formulas figured out for max ball speed, I'd imagine that the only way to produce something even better is to help us find the sweet spot more consistently and make the "not so sweet" spot even more forgiving while maintaining the same ball speed. IMO, the phrase of the year will be SMASH FACTOR, SMASH FACTOR, SMASH FACTOR. Might want to read this article https://mygolfspy.com/no-driver-distance-isnt-maxed-out/ 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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