PMookie Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 At this time of year the discussion about whether or not to play in a team’s bowl game comes-up, so here are two scenarios. Are you playing in both scenarios, only one, or neither, and WHY? You’re a first round pick in the NFL Draft and your team is in the semi-final, could be in the title game and win a championship. You’re a first round pick in the NFL Draft and your team is playing on 1/1 in the Fiesta Bowl, no natty possible. Just a bowl game. Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 I’m playing if my team has a chance for a natty because if I’m a potential first rounder, I’m probably a big key in our chance to win it all. I would NOT play in the Fiesta, not taking the chance of an injury just for a plain old bowl game that means nothing. stephenmatt 1 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2puttbogey Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Pretty sure the consensus will be: if it’s a playoff game play, regular bowl no need to risk it. The Fiesta or any other is really just another game regardless of what the tv tells us. PMookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted January 2, 2022 Author Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, 2puttbogey said: Pretty sure the consensus will be: if it’s a playoff game play, regular bowl no need to risk it. The Fiesta or any other is really just another game regardless of what the tv tells us. I would tend to agree, but I’m curious because some may be old school and think a player has to finish it out. Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted January 2, 2022 Author Share Posted January 2, 2022 Some folks my age think not playing in the bowl game is quitting, and it’s a “beware” sign for the NFL. You? Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 I've heard it called a business decision..... But if I was a 1st round pick I'd put the 'business decision' back on the university and give them an opportunity to pay for a $5M insurance policy before the bowl game naming me as the beneficiary in case of injury that had an effect on my draft position. Of course I'd have probably already taken out a policy before my Sr season even started if I was projected as a 1st round pick. PMookie 1 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Mavrik 18* 5w; JPX 919 HM Pro 4i; JPX 900 Forged 5 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 ... Really tough question and no easy answer. If I grew up in poverty with nothing and no chances at life other than football, how do I risk injury and turn down a chance at the NFL that will give my Mom a house or at least repay her for all she did working 2 jobs so I could have food on the table and a roof over my head? So yea, easy to say play in a NC game but it all depends on where you came from and where you are going. I don't know Ben McDonald but I am guessing he had the kind of life many middle class and upper class folks do with zero understanding of what others go through. For me I guess it comes down to applauding those that choose to play and understanding those that don't. PMookie 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingGreens Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Not playing at all. The risk of injury is too high anymore. You have to cash in while you can because it may never come around again. I can’t see going out their for a national championship Unless the school Covered a hefty insurance policy in case I got hurt, similar to the Anthony Kim insurance policy. Look at all the surgeries that McKenzie Milton from UCF and Jaylon Smith from Notre Dame went through. Granted Milton’s injury happened during the regular season, it would still be a reason for me to protect myself before that draft PMookie 1 Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 7 hours ago, PMookie said: Some folks my age think not playing in the bowl game is quitting, and it’s a “beware” sign for the NFL. You? Well, Bruce Arians will not put up with it. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-brown-leaves-field-in-middle-of-buccaneers-game-vs-jets-bruce-arians-says-hes-no-longer-a-buc/ PMookie 1 Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Qi10 - 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.0 Stiff 3 Wood: Qi10 - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff 5 Wood: Qi10 - Ventus TR Reg Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 9 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, GaDawg said: Well, Bruce Arians will not put up with it. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-brown-leaves-field-in-middle-of-buccaneers-game-vs-jets-bruce-arians-says-hes-no-longer-a-buc/ ... You have to think this is the result of CTE or mental illness or both. Such bizarre behavior for quite awhile now and I was surprised any team signed him after his stint with the Raiders. I hope he gets professional help. silver & black, GaDawg and PMookie 3 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted January 2, 2022 Author Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, chisag said: ... You have to think this is the result of CTE or mental illness or both. Such bizarre behavior for quite awhile now and I was surprised any team signed him after his stint with the Raiders. I hope he gets professional help. Amen. Such erratic behavior for some time now. Sadly, those closest to him are likely to be scared to say anything for fear of getting removed from the payroll, or retribution. Definitely needs help. GaDawg 1 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roach Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 10 hours ago, Shapotomous said: I've heard it called a business decision..... But if I was a 1st round pick I'd put the 'business decision' back on the university and give them an opportunity to pay for a $5M insurance policy before the bowl game naming me as the beneficiary in case of injury that had an effect on my draft position. Of course I'd have probably already taken out a policy before my Sr season even started if I was projected as a 1st round pick. Great point! PMookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 6 hours ago, chisag said: ... Really tough question and no easy answer. If I grew up in poverty with nothing and no chances at life other than football, how do I risk injury and turn down a chance at the NFL that will give my Mom a house or at least repay her for all she did working 2 jobs so I could have food on the table and a roof over my head? So yea, easy to say play in a NC game but it all depends on where you came from and where you are going. I don't know Ben McDonald but I am guessing he had the kind of life many middle class and upper class folks do with zero understanding of what others go through. For me I guess it comes down to applauding those that choose to play and understanding those that don't. He was a country kid from S. Louisiana. Pitched for LSU, then in the Majors. Yeah, there are a number of kids I’ve coached and taught that come from places you describe. NFL stands for “Not For Long” too, with 3 years as the average time in the league. I coached a kid that played in the NBA and was a Top 10 pick. He lasted just through his initial contract and now he has no money. Spent it all. I have another kid I coached that played in the NFL. He’s been traded a ton, and wasn’t signed this year. Now he’s not sure what to do, but he’s got money in the bank. If I’m advising those two in this scenario I’d lean toward sitting-out as well. chisag and RollingGreens 2 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 You committed to team. You play in th Shane’s the team has on its schedule even if it’s a bowl game. There’s players on that team that the bowl game may be their last game ever, others may be later round picks. You play for the team PMookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryB Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 If the coach gets to bail on the bowl game for greener pastures then the student can do so as well. PMookie 1 Quote Cobra Aerojet Max driver Cobra Aerojet Max 3 wood and 7 wood Cobra Aerojet 4/5/6 hybrids Cobra Aerojet 7-PW, GW Cobra Snakebite 52° and 58° wedges Cobra King Stingray 20 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 One thing I read this morning really hit home for me. Colleges are all about the revenues in the tens of millions, if not hundreds for certain programs, coaches that make millions, etc. It’s a business. Players are just a commodity to the school, truly, so what obligation do they REALLY have to play? If it’s a business, then it should be for the player as well. Their earning power down the road should be most important. What’s the school going to do for the player long-term if the player suffers a career-ending injury? Nothing…. So, players do need to look at it from a business standpoint and not worry about the guilt-trip of “the TEAM”!!! JerryB 1 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 hours ago, PMookie said: One thing I read this morning really hit home for me. Colleges are all about the revenues in the tens of millions, if not hundreds for certain programs, coaches that make millions, etc. It’s a business. Players are just a commodity to the school, truly, so what obligation do they REALLY have to play? If it’s a business, then it should be for the player as well. Their earning power down the road should be most important. What’s the school going to do for the player long-term if the player suffers a career-ending injury? Nothing…. So, players do need to look at it from a business standpoint and not worry about the guilt-trip of “the TEAM”!!! The school has to pay for travel for the team, the athletes your are talking about are on scholarship which the school is paying for. The school is paying for the practice facilities and all the technology used amongst other things. The athlete on scholarship has the obligation to play in all scheduled games. PMookie and silver & black 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryB Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 The type of athlete we are talking about repays a lot of that in merchandise and ticket sales generated. The bowl games generally take place after the semester is over. If the player does not participate to prep for the draft, they aren't enrolled at the school any longer anyway so the scholarship is not valid. While I understand the team aspect, the player needs to be concerned about his own future first. The school would move on from the player in a heartbeat if he were no longer providing value. PMookie 1 Quote Cobra Aerojet Max driver Cobra Aerojet Max 3 wood and 7 wood Cobra Aerojet 4/5/6 hybrids Cobra Aerojet 7-PW, GW Cobra Snakebite 52° and 58° wedges Cobra King Stingray 20 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said: The school has to pay for travel for the team, the athletes your are talking about are on scholarship which the school is paying for. The school is paying for the practice facilities and all the technology used amongst other things. The athlete on scholarship has the obligation to play in all scheduled games. Yeah, I get that, but there is nothing protecting the athlete who gets injured and ends a career. Literally no obligation. I worked in LSU’s athletic department for a number of years, and I know what used to be provided. LSU had no obligation to pay lifelong bills, or lost income if the player is injured, so they pressure a 19 year old kid. It’s interesting how both Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly weren’t told to finish the year, when, in-fact, the University pays the buyout clause, which is millions of dollars. Heck, these potential first rounders are also taking the chance on losing endorsements in the future. If the University promises lifelong income, and health care, MAYBE, but otherwise it’s a business and they need to protect their “product”. JerryB 1 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, PMookie said: Yeah, I get that, but there is nothing protecting the athlete who gets injured and ends a career. Literally no obligation. I worked in LSU’s athletic department for a number of years, and I know what used to be provided. LSU had no obligation to pay lifelong bills, or lost income if the player is injured, so they pressure a 19 year old kid. It’s interesting how both Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly weren’t told to finish the year, when, in-fact, the University pays the buyout clause, which is millions of dollars. Heck, these potential first rounders are also taking the chance on losing endorsements in the future. If the University promises lifelong income, and health care, MAYBE, but otherwise it’s a business and they need to protect their “product”. If the athlete and the athletes family are smart they have a loss of value policy. PMookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka44 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) Garunteed signing bonus for the #32 pick in last years NFL draft, 5.5 Million Dollars. Total value of the contract 11.2 Million. The other 5.7 is not technically garunteed, and paid over 3-4 years. It would be non-sensical to risk that kind of money no matter how small the chance that you could get injured in that bowl game. Edited January 4, 2022 by stuka44 PMookie, chisag and stephenmatt 2 1 Quote Driver: Cobra King Speedzone Irons: Mavrik 4-GW Wedges: CG-14 56 & RTX 52 Hybrid: Callaway Apex Pro 2H Woods: Gigagolf 3W, Putter: Ping Scottsdale Wolverine Ball: Srixon Z-Star XV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenmatt Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) I see all of this is about the players but what about the coaches who also are "opting out"... Brian Kelly left Notre Dame, Lincoln Riley left OU. If the players team is competing in the CFP I think they probably would play but look at what happened to Matt Corral. Luckily he didn't break anything or he could have slid far down the draft board. Edited January 4, 2022 by stephenmatt PMookie and Stuka44 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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