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2022 TaylorMade Stealth Driver Line Official Launch


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13 hours ago, RollingGreens said:

Off topic about stealth but follows a bit of a trend of the last few posts. Did anyone notice that taylormade out out an 2021 version of the M4 driver and irons? I came across it yesterday and couldn’t find any info on the why. Maybe I am the minority and this just slipped past me. But why pump out an old product that’s been updated when you have newer models like the sim and stealth unless you have that much over stock of old parts. What’s different??. I could see if it’s to cover the price point but This baffled me a bit. 

Callaway/TGW or someone has done the same thing with the old Mavrik.  Same head, different shaft and calling it the Mavrik 22.  

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41 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Callaway/TGW or someone has done the same thing with the old Mavrik.  Same head, different shaft and calling it the Mavrik 22.  

Yup, Callaway does this all the time!

 

But TMaG evil!

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4 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Yup, Callaway does this all the time!

 

But TMaG evil!

And wonder how many people know that those evil TM guys from 17/1700 now work at Callaway and Cobra

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19 hours ago, Dog Faced Pony Soldier said:

Allegedly TaylorMade brings a new driver to market too often. Would someone care to explain how having new drivers available in the marketplace is a problem? Seems even less of a issue if I were to buy into the concept that these new drivers don't offer any performance improvement. 

The people that worry about such things are constantly worried about clubs resale value. 

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Just received this from my TrueSpec feed and thought some might enjoy... more product testing 👍

 

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Signed-up for a 1-on-1 TM fitting for driver on the 17th at the semi-private where I play. I love to demo stuff and see what they can put together, so this will be fun!

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Anyone know if the Kaili White stock shaft option is the real deal, or a TM one like non-velocore Ventus?

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Fwy:  :callaway-small: Epic Speed 4w, MMT 80X

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9 hours ago, PMookie said:

Anyone know if the Kaili White stock shaft option is the real deal, or a TM one like non-velocore Ventus?

To my knowledge it’s the real deal. Not sure why it matters though if it fits your swing with the club.

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

To my knowledge it’s the real deal. Not sure why it matters though if it fits your swing with the club.

Doesn’t, was just curious because I’m known to sell things down the road and a “made for” shaft has a lower resale value. 

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Irons: :honma:TR20 Tour P 4-10, :Nippon: Modus 130 stiff, +1”

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12 hours ago, PMookie said:

Signed-up for a 1-on-1 TM fitting for driver at the semi-private where I play on the 17th. I love to demo stuff and see what they can put together, so this will be fun!

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I went for this fitting at a private club last week and it was great - I will be curious to hear the difference between the two experiences.  I saw your other question about a particular shaft being the real deal or not - I tried a number of shaft/head combos during my fitting and the rep swore, when asked, that the shafts I asked about were the "real deal." 

 

I've come full circle on this though.  I think it's time to recognize that if the club OEM and the shaft OEM are sticking their name on the product they have a vested interest in making sure that it's a quality offering.  Even if it were not a true aftermarket shaft I'd suspect the two have worked together to find a nice fit between shaft and head for certain swing types.  If the fitter can identify your swing type and then the shaft/head combo in his line that fits best for it, you'll be good to go or at least fairly compare with other lines.

 

Enjoy!

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11 minutes ago, PMookie said:

Doesn’t, was just curious because I’m known to sell things down the road and a “made for” shaft has a lower resale value. 

Gotcha. That Kailua white is no upcharge so even with the terrible resale value of it you can make some money. 
 

The TX version has slightly better resale. 

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1 minute ago, revkev said:

I went for this fitting at a private club last week and it was great - I will be curious to hear the difference between the two experiences.  I saw your other question about a particular shaft being the real deal or not - I tried a number of shaft/head combos during my fitting and the rep swore, when asked, that the shafts I asked about were the "real deal." 

 

I've come full circle on this though.  I think it's time to recognize that if the club OEM and the shaft OEM are sticking their name on the product they have a vested interest in making sure that it's a quality offering.  Even if it were not a true aftermarket shaft I'd suspect the two have worked together to find a nice fit between shaft and head for certain swing types.  If the fitter can identify your swing type and then the shaft/head combo in his line that fits best for it, you'll be good to go or at least fairly compare with other lines.

 

Enjoy!

Thanks! Looking forward to it. I’m not imagining that anything will show to be better than what I’m playing, especially when almost every review I’ve seen or read about the Stealth driver doesn’t show significant gains over Sim or Sim 2, but I LOVE to hit everything that comes out in a true fitting scenario. Would be fun to hit the Sim 2 driver as well, but I don’t think they’ll offer that. Should be fun as long as the weather holds-up!
 

As most should know by now after my 10 years on this site, I go get fitted and whatever works is what works for me (Edel, KZG, MMT driver shaft, Xphlexxx shafts) I’m not worried about if it’s “real” from a “snobby” standpoint, it’s about resale value for me… I’m known to go through clubs, and I sell what I have to make room for what’s coming, so a “made for” shaft has less value on the resale market and would need to be noted when selling. 

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Fitters will immediately know the client is from MGS when he/she run the fingernail test 🙂.  

5 minutes ago, revkev said:

I went for this fitting at a private club last week and it was great - I will be curious to hear the difference between the two experiences.  I saw your other question about a particular shaft being the real deal or not - I tried a number of shaft/head combos during my fitting and the rep swore, when asked, that the shafts I asked about were the "real deal." 

 

I've come full circle on this though.  I think it's time to recognize that if the club OEM and the shaft OEM are sticking their name on the product they have a vested interest in making sure that it's a quality offering.  Even if it were not a true aftermarket shaft I'd suspect the two have worked together to find a nice fit between shaft and head for certain swing types.  If the fitter can identify your swing type and then the shaft/head combo in his line that fits best for it, you'll be good to go or at least fairly compare with other lines.

Good point.  PING is well known for their co-engineering of stock shaft offerings but, in their case, they are not branded as an aftermarket shaft. I agree with your statement that if it offers the best fit, one's good to go but do feel that if there are differences in design, they should be open about that and it be labeled accordingly.  It get's back to the "truth in advertising" principle.

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11 minutes ago, revkev said:

I've come full circle on this though.  I think it's time to recognize that if the club OEM and the shaft OEM are sticking their name on the product they have a vested interest in making sure that it's a quality offering.  Even if it were not a true aftermarket shaft I'd suspect the two have worked together to find a nice fit between shaft and head for certain swing types.  If the fitter can identify your swing type and then the shaft/head combo in his line that fits best for it, you'll be good to go or at least fairly compare with other lines.

This is the truth. The club oem tells the shaft oem they want their hottest shaft but don’t want to pay the premium price but they also want the shaft to fit more golfers, typically the shaft is low/low design but that doesn’t fit the wider spectrum of golfer who needs help with launch and they typically prefer ima softer feel which many of the low/low shafts don’t offer. So the shaft company has their design team come up with something and in under a day it can be a tested. 
 

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From Wishon’s shaft myths

Shaft Myth #6 – The more expensive a shaft, the better its quality and the better it performs

There are few things in the golf industry that have become as much of a sore spot with me as this matter of shafts that cost $100, $200, $300 and even more. Shoot, I remember when we all thought a $40 shaft was expensive! What’s even worse are the uninformed golfers who see these $100 – $300 shafts and automatically form the opinion that if it costs that much, it has to be a really good shaft. 

You want to know what the definition of a “good shaft” is? A good shaft is any shaft that has been very accurately matched for its weight, overall stiffness, bend profile, weight distribution and torque to a golfer’s clubhead speed, transition force, downswing tempo, wrist-**** release, strength and sense of feel. That’s the definition of a “good shaft” and it has absolutely nothing to do with brand, model or price. 

There are 5 different specifications that determine the performance differences between shafts. 1) mass (weight); 2) overall stiffness (flex); 3) bend profile (distribution of the stiffness over the length of the shaft); 4) weight distribution (balance point); 5) torsional stiffness (torque). Two of these, the weight and the torque, are definitely related to the cost of the shaft. The lighter the weight and the lower the torque of a shaft, the more expensive the shaft will be to make. In other words, if you want to make a very stiff 45 gram shaft with less than 3? of torque, that shaft is going to cost a lot more money to make than a 65 gram softer flex shaft with 5? of torque. . . but not $100 to $300 by any means. 

The other three shaft design elements, a shaft’s overall stiffness, bend profile and balance point, are not even close to being as price sensitive as the weight and torque. Standard modulus (low cost) graphite raw materials can be used to make any flex, bend profile or balance point from soft L to very stiff X. 

Yes, many of the high dollar shafts are actually made with more expensive raw composite materials. But they don’t need to be made with such expensive materials to achieve their weight, flex, bend profile, balance point and torque. In my career I have measured the specifications of literally thousands of different shafts, and from my experience, I have yet to see a $100 to $300 shaft that could not be duplicated for weight, flex, bend profile, balance point and torque and sold at a normal profit in the industry for an aftermarket price of $25 to $50.

 

Shaft Myth #10 – How a shaft performs for a golfer is an indication of its quality

No, how a shaft performs for a golfer is an indication of how well the shaft’s weight, flex, bend profile, balance point and torque were FIT to the golfer’s size, strength, athletic ability and swing characteristics. Remember what I said about “good shafts” and “bad shafts”? There are no such things. There are only well fit and poorly fit shafts. 

Shaft quality is more a case of how consistently can the shaft maker hit each one of the production specifications for each shaft they make within a very narrow range of error tolerance, shaft after shaft after shaft. And believe me, by no means does the cost of a shaft guarantee this definition of shaft quality. 

In my shaft research work, my shaft data base now includes nearly 2000 different shaft models. In doing this, I get a chance to measure all sorts of specifications on a lot of different shafts from most of the shaft manufacturers in the world. When you measure multiples of the same model and flex of shafts, you get the chance to see who maintains tight error tolerances and who doesn’t. And I can tell you, the price of a shaft is not always related to how consistent or how tight the tolerances are for a company’s shafts. 

Some of the high dollar shafts do display very tight, consistent error tolerances. Some don’t. And some of the lower priced shafts show a very high level of shaft to shaft consistency while again, some do not.

 

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I actually WON the Stealth Plus+ (marketing/influencer) package from the AJGA instagram giveaway. Was able to hit it just a handful of times and it sounds great. I need to put it up against my current TM M6 gamer to see how it compares. Initial impressions are very low spin (for me). I hit my best 2 that were 1300 & 1700 rpm. But the peak heights were good, launch was 10 & 12deg

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1 minute ago, JonMUSC08 said:

I actually WON the Stealth Plus+ (marketing/influencer) package from the AJGA instagram giveaway. Was able to hit it just a handful of times and it sounds great. I need to put it up against my current TM M6 gamer to see how it compares. Initial impressions are very low spin (for me). I hit my best 2 that were 1300 & 1700 rpm. But the peak heights were good, launch was 10 & 12deg

Those spin numbers are terrifying

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6 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Fitters will immediately know the client is from MGS when he/she run the fingernail test 🙂.  

Good point.  PING is well known for their co-engineering of stock shaft offerings but, in their case, they are not branded as an aftermarket shaft. I agree with your statement that if it offers the best fit, one's good to go but do feel that if there are differences in design, they should be open about that and it be labeled accordingly.  It get's back to the "truth in advertising" principle.

Ping is somewhat unique in the golf industry when it comes to this. They are an engineering company at heart and got into golf. They have a design team that does extensive shaft testing and design work. They work with UST for the Ping Tour shaft and with Aldila on the Alta shaft. They aren’t branded as aftermarket because they aren’t the same name as any other shaft on the market even though as in the case with the pin tour is build off the Elements Chrome/chrome+ shaft.

The ventus, atmos shafts and others carry the name and depending on the company or something else have a different paint job.

I’ve heard that TM paid Fujikura for the ventus name which is why they had the same color and name. Not sure if Callaway did the same this year. 

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Just now, jlukes said:

Those spin numbers are terrifying

Not a fan of a knuckle ball?? haha 

yea pretty low but that with their stock HZDS Red shaft (mid/mid). I would need more of a high/high shaft (which i'll steal from my current M6)

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2 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Those spin numbers are terrifying

Those are not course friendly at all. 

Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

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Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

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