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Thanks for posting;  I enjoy reading information about peoples putter fitting.  Sounds like you had a knowledgeable fitter that didn't just quote the SAM results and actually interpreted what was going on.  

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4 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Thanks for posting;  I enjoy reading information about peoples putter fitting.  Sounds like you had a knowledgeable fitter that didn't just quote the SAM results and actually interpreted what was going on.  

Yeah, the fitter i got was very knowledgeable. Only 6 months at Club Champion, but before that ran a True Spec location. He's also a PGA professional which was cool (used to be an assistant pro at Medalist). 

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So even with your gamer being pretty optimal, I'm still betting heavily that you have looked for a deal on that Queen B 11 and already queued it up in a shopping cart at least 3 times. Parlayed that bet with another that you will end up with one before April 1st. 

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1 minute ago, Thin2win said:

So even with your gamer being pretty optimal, I'm still betting heavily that you have looked for a deal on that Queen B 11 and already queued it up in a shopping cart at least 3 times. Parlayed that bet with another that you will end up with one before April 1st. 

something like that but worse...

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Irons:titelist-small: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped
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Great detail from the fitting. Sounds like the fitter had a great way of communicating the data to you. Good to know you were already pretty close to the setup you needed with your current gamer. Hope it all comes together with the flatstick!

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9 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Yeah, the fitter i got was very knowledgeable. Only 6 months at Club Champion, but before that ran a True Spec location. He's also a PGA professional which was cool (used to be an assistant pro at Medalist). 

It seems like he was able to relate his info to you in a great way as well.....like he recognized & respected your base knowledge and got to the level of data that is meaningful to you. 

I love data like this and have never done a putter fitting but after passing one of their locations while Christmas shopping a few weeks ago.....and wondering what I'd spend some Christmas money on.....hmmmmmm.     😎

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Very interesting, thanks for sharing it all.

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Well done & detailed.

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Love it @dlow206!  Putter fittings can be eye opening, glad to see that your fitter went beyond the numbers and recommended output to really examine your stroke.

also an honorary member of the short and flat putter club. 🤣  32.5 and 67* (3 flat on most from stock).  

So when’s the Bettinardi coming in? 😉

  

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3 minutes ago, GolfSpy_BOS said:

Love it @dlow206!  Putter fittings can be eye opening, glad to see that your fitter went beyond the numbers and recommended output to really examine your stroke.

also an honorary member of the short and flat putter club. 🤣  32.5 and 67* (3 flat on most from stock).  

So when’s the Bettinardi coming in? 😉

  

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bettinardi is in the “cart”👍

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The only bad thing about your putting fitting is it makes me want to schedule one so I can go play and experiment with graphite putter shafts.  

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2 hours ago, GolfSpy_BOS said:

Love it @dlow206!  Putter fittings can be eye opening, glad to see that your fitter went beyond the numbers and recommended output to really examine your stroke.

also an honorary member of the short and flat putter club. 🤣  32.5 and 67* (3 flat on most from stock).  

So when’s the Bettinardi coming in? 😉

  

I'm pondering a couple of different Bettinardi models lol. Queen B 10 and Queen B 11. Functionally they are the same putter (same weight, same offset, same neck, practically the same shape) just some minor difference in shape and aesthetics. I'm also a sucker for the hive Bettinardis, so that is not helping me in my indecisiveness.

The new Odyssey Tri-Hot 5K are also calling my name, lol.

Overall, do I need a new putter, no. Do I want a new putter, yes. Getting rid of most the other putters laying around the house, so need a gamer and a backup. 

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Irons:titelist-small: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped
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9 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

I'm pondering a couple of different Bettinardi models lol. Queen B 10 and Queen B 11. Functionally they are the same putter (same weight, same offset, same neck, practically the same shape) just some minor difference in shape and aesthetics. I'm also a sucker for the hive Bettinardis, so that is not helping me in my indecisiveness.

The new Odyssey Tri-Hot 5K are also calling my name, lol.

Overall, do I need a new putter, no. Do I want a new putter, yes. Getting rid of most the other putters laying around the house, so need a gamer and a backup. 

Those 5k’s do look like something I’ll need to give a putt or two. One of those white hot inserts could pair nicely with a firmer ball like the left dash. 

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Nice writeup Derrick!  If Monte said that you have a lot of movement in your lower body when putting, did you inquire about that with the fitter, and could that be a factor in your strong arc?  If you can quiet the lower body, the face-balanced putter may end up being the best option.

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It was also good to hear from the fitter a validation of my thought that my putter is too long for me, even at 31". I have always adapter to putters by standing far away from the ball and made due, even with the 31" putter. 

To give an example, if you look at this pic below of Tiger Woods (no, im not trying to compare myself to Tiger Woods) and his setup. With that type of posture that he has at setup, if I were to use a 32" putter for example, the butt of the putter physically hits my belly button lol. 

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Irons:titelist-small: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped
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3 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

Nice writeup Derrick!  If Monte said that you have a lot of movement in your lower body when putting, did you inquire about that with the fitter, and could that be a factor in your strong arc?  If you can quiet the lower body, the face-balanced putter may end up being the best option.

I've been doing a lot of at home practice putting after that lesson with Monte and really working on keeping the lower body quiet. When keeping the lower body quiet, my arc has actually increased from what it was before.

What thing i have noticed, and it partly goes back to the comments about lengths of putters, if I use a shorter putter than my 31", then I am able to stand closer to the ball (more of eyes over the ball or at least less inside), then my hips actually stabilize themselves better, and the arc of my stroke is less drastic, but still has an arc. 

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Irons:titelist-small: T300 5 to SW - LAGP AXS Red 85 Stiff double soft stepped
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5 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

I've been doing a lot of at home practice putting after that lesson with Monte and really working on keeping the lower body quiet. When keeping the lower body quiet, my arc has actually increased from what it was before.

What thing i have noticed, and it partly goes back to the comments about lengths of putters, if I use a shorter putter than my 31", then I am able to stand closer to the ball (more of eyes over the ball or at least less inside), then my hips actually stabilize themselves better, and the arc of my stroke is less drastic, but still has an arc. 

I used to have a 31" putter.  When I was fitted at Ping, I was fitted into a 34" counterbalanced putter with a 71º lie angle.  My eyes are directly over the ball... at least they are when I putt well.  I still grip like it's a 31" putter with most of the grip above my hands.  As you mentioned, the butt of the club doesn't touch, but comes very close to my belly.  It's a problem when the weather is cold because of the extra clothes; the butt can get caught in the fabric.  My solution... reduce my belly!  😂

I love my putter, and I have no desire to even look at new putters.  Haven't picked one up in the stores in 5 years.  It's getting a new grip this spring; in and out of the bag has taken a toll on the butt of the grip.

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Thanks for the write up and the info. I myself have been tossing about the idea of a fitter for my putter and your post puts me one step closer to giving it a go.  It sure has me thinking.

 

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I too went through a CC putter fitting few years ago.   Was told I should be playing a Blade putter over my current Mallet based on my stroke, angle, etc.  I havent changed over (yet) because I spent some money years ago customizing my Scotty which I do like but the problem now is every time I miss a putt I start playing mind games with myself thinking I should change over to the a Blade style putter.  I would tell anyone out there, if you go through this putter fitting process wherever you go, be warned.....lol.  I recently tried some Bettinardi putters and have already fallen in love with many of them for the feel over Scotty.   This is terrible.....  Has anyone here gone through a CC putter fitting or any other fitting, changed over to a different style putter than what you've played because of it and has it made a drastic improvement in your putting?  I'm curious.

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