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3 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... I am always a little chagrinned by golfers on golf forums complaining about hype and the marketing of golf clubs. Have you looked at new cars? Washers and dryers? Refrigerators? Audio/video equipment? Even buying stainless steel pots and pans you have to wade through the marketing of 1 ply, 3 ply or 5 ply and what about their bonding layers and or brand reputation makes them so much better. And this is just a stainless steel fry pan you put food in and cook, so really how different could they be? Fwiw, I ended up going with Misen and you can enjoy the "massively overhyped product" in the link below. I will say I am very happy with the purchase but had to compare all the top brands before making a decision. I would add I have always enjoyed Marketing and love reading between the lines before making my own decisions. 

... Capitalism promotes building a better mouse trap and hyping the he!! out of it. Did anyone need a Chia Pet? 🤣 As always it is the job of the consumer to research, try/demo and sift through the marketing. I imagine consumers might be a bit disillusioned to visit the TM website and see "We introduced a new driver. Made of Carbon and not Titanium. It tested well but it may or may not perform better than the driver you are playing. Email us for pictures". 


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Listen all I know is a finger can poke a hole in 1/3/5/18 ply TP. Just stick with the 1 ply!

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2 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Suspecting there might be subtext here:

 

Subtext or not, MGS going after any other party for any reason comes across as very petty and holier than thou.

I'm not even sure what Tony's point here would be. Any of the YouTube reviews take their jobs seriously, the reviews take them days to put together. They easily hit 200-300 shots with each driver they test. If one of them doesn't see any difference after 200 shots... How many more do they need to hit? 

Also, from as many as I've watched, they do often point out that different people will get different results and that all they can do is give their own feedback and opinion on any given product. 

At least twice in the last year Rick has even mentioned that the testing protocol that MGS uses vastly exceeds anything else available and is a real test where he is giving a review. 

I'm having to separate the forums from the blog lately. The forum is still one of the best spots, if not the best, for great discussion and content. The Blog however has become increasingly an echo chamber of less data and more opinion articles. I've actually ceased getting my information on product releases from the main page. I get it, they like Titleist golf balls, TM drivers, mizuno irons and fujikura shafts. 

 

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3 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... I am always a little chagrinned by golfers on golf forums complaining about hype and the marketing of golf clubs. Have you looked at new cars? Washers and dryers? Refrigerators? Audio/video equipment? Even buying stainless steel pots and pans you have to wade through the marketing of 1 ply, 3 ply or 5 ply and what about their bonding layers and or brand reputation makes them so much better. And this is just a stainless steel fry pan you put food in and cook, so really how different could they be? Fwiw, I ended up going with Misen and you can enjoy the "massively overhyped product" in the link below. I will say I am very happy with the purchase but had to compare all the top brands before making a decision. I would add I have always enjoyed Marketing and love reading between the lines before making my own decisions. 

... Capitalism promotes building a better mouse trap and hyping the he!! out of it. Did anyone need a Chia Pet? 🤣 As always it is the job of the consumer to research, try/demo and sift through the marketing. I imagine consumers might be a bit disillusioned to visit the TM website and see "We introduced a new driver. Made of Carbon and not Titanium. It tested well but it may or may not perform better than the driver you are playing. Email us for pictures". 


https://misen.com/pages/skillet-campaign?utm_content=TRYMISEN25&utm_price=57&utm_savings=18&utm_percent=25&msclkid=96764662b3e716ae27e52783020dc3a6&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Search+|+Brand+|+Misen+MC+CPA25&utm_term=misen+cookware

If this were a forum on cars, refrigerators or pots and pans we may be criticizing the over hype, but this is a golf forum   

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11 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

I'm having to separate the forums from the blog lately. The forum is still one of the best spots, if not the best, for great discussion and content. The Blog however has become increasingly an echo chamber of less data and more opinion articles. I've actually ceased getting my information on product releases from the main page. I get it, they like Titleist golf balls, TM drivers, mizuno irons and fujikura shafts. 

If John B writes it, I'll happily read it. Anyone else, however...

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4 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... .... Fwiw, I ended up going with Misen and you can enjoy the "massively overhyped product" in the link below. I will say I am very happy with the purchase but had to compare all the top brands before making a decision........

Hey now....we all know that your results are only accurate for your kitchen environmental humidity (low moisture desert), on your specific burner type , with your fuel of choice and influenced by your exhaust fan at your altitude.....

I know my results will be waaay different given all those variables....  🤓

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1 hour ago, Lacassem said:

Listen all I know is a finger can poke a hole in 1/3/5/18 ply TP. Just stick with the 1 ply!

I was a 1 ply user until the 'shortage' had me buying some two ply to stockpile.....

stumbled into a roll after a month or so and whhhoooooo baby.......lawdy lawdy that 2 ply is really livin' high and I ain't never going back!!  

@Lacassem ya only live once.....splurge on 2 ply!!

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Personally I like both MGS and Shiels but in this case, forgetting whether the allegedly independent MGS should be so defensive in support of Taylor Made, and being disrespectful to Shiels, Shiels is not the only one suggesting very little difference in performance figures as both Michael Newton and Askgolfnut say the same. The latter however does talk about little drop off for off centre hits. Basically the Stealth will be one of several I will try in the next few months as I would never buy a club based just on the word of anyone 

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42 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

If John B writes it, I'll happily read it. Anyone else, however...

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19 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

I was a 1 ply user until the 'shortage' had me buying some two ply to stockpile.....

stumbled into a roll after a month or so and whhhoooooo baby.......lawdy lawdy that 2 ply is really livin' high and I ain't never going back!!  

@Lacassem ya only live once.....splurge on 2 ply!!

(Not to hijacker’ this thread and turn it into a review on how to wipe you @$$ with cooshy trees) but I have truly found the 1 ply to be best 😂 the military has allowed me to save money on toiletries and spend it on overhyped golf equipment!

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2 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

(Not to hijacker’ this thread and turn it into a review on how to wipe you @$$ with cooshy trees) but I have truly found the 1 ply to be best 😂 the military has allowed me to save money on toiletries and spend it on overhyped golf equipment!

See, I think I end up using more then twice as many 1 ply sheets compared to when I use 2 ply. I think because I'm needing to use more of the roll on single ply, I end up saving on 2 ply. At least I like to think so. 

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4 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Suspecting there might be subtext here:

 

At my index, that's only a little over 200 rounds of golf and about 3 years of play. Yeah, clearly not nearly enough to make a quality assessment 🙂.

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Agree, disagree, or agree to disagree.   There are 3 winners here.

1- TW is getting free publicity for their new Stealth Driver, people are talking about it good, bad or indifferent.  This is what they want.

2 & 3 - Sheils and MGS, how many more eyes have visited their sites from the other b/c of this?   Would be interesting to see how many more views Shiels got this month b/c of this and many more visitors MGS got this month.   

 

My 2 putts…Sheils didn’t see much gain over last years tech and said as much, similar to when he tested the new Callaway Rogue Driver.   MGS poster states they saw gains for every MGS staffer that tested, no numbers were given so it has no validity to me.   Everyone’s ball speed  numbers went up…by how much, a just a couple MPH…10, 20 MPH?  No data was given and that IMO is disappointing from someone posting as MGS.

 

 

I do agree that MGS post seemed to want to point out that this is an envelope pushing new technology and could be tip of the spear for how golf clubs are made going forward.  Pointing out Shiels “meh” reivew of it seems unnecessary.

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1 hour ago, Thin2win said:

They easily hit 200-300 shots with each driver they test. If one of them doesn't see any difference after 200 shots... How many more do they need to hit? 

Other than maybe rock Shiels what yt reviewer hits that many shots?

 

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5 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... I am always a little chagrinned by golfers on golf forums complaining about hype and the marketing of golf clubs. Have you looked at new cars? Washers and dryers? Refrigerators? Audio/video equipment? Even buying stainless steel pots and pans you have to wade through the marketing of 1 ply, 3 ply or 5 ply and what about their bonding layers and or brand reputation makes them so much better. And this is just a stainless steel fry pan you put food in and cook, so really how different could they be? Fwiw, I ended up going with Misen and you can enjoy the "massively overhyped product" in the link below. I will say I am very happy with the purchase but had to compare all the top brands before making a decision. I would add I have always enjoyed Marketing and love reading between the lines before making my own decisions. 

... Capitalism promotes building a better mouse trap and hyping the he!! out of it. Did anyone need a Chia Pet? 🤣 As always it is the job of the consumer to research, try/demo and sift through the marketing. I imagine consumers might be a bit disillusioned to visit the TM website and see "We introduced a new driver. Made of Carbon and not Titanium. It tested well but it may or may not perform better than the driver you are playing. Email us for pictures". 


https://misen.com/pages/skillet-campaign?utm_content=TRYMISEN25&utm_price=57&utm_savings=18&utm_percent=25&msclkid=96764662b3e716ae27e52783020dc3a6&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Search+|+Brand+|+Misen+MC+CPA25&utm_term=misen+cookware

This made me think of the movie Crazy People. It starred Dudley Moore as an advertising executive in a mental institution who gets some help from the other patients writing the slogans for his advertising campaigns. Everything the team dreams up is completely true. 

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42 minutes ago, Joel C said:

2 & 3 - Sheils and MGS, how many more eyes have visited their sites from the other b/c of this?   Would be interesting to see how many more views Shiels got this month b/c of this and many more visitors MGS got this month. 

Interesting thought... reminds me of a similar event that went viral for a little while 🤣.  Which raises another question; who, if it wasn't Bryson or Brooks as a result of this drama, got the BIG PIP payout?

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I watch a lot of reviews on YouTube and that includes “No putts given “, Rick Shiels, James Robinson, among others. I clearly remember Rick saying MGS does true testing and he does reviews, big difference. Plus the vids we all watch are edited so more shots are taken than we see. We like watching these reviews because of the new shiny. Even extensive testing like MGS (appreciated as it is) wouldn’t change my mind without a fitting . Information from parties mentioned and others are awesome to have access to so we can try to get the best set possible for everyone’s personal needs. Even if one brand is clearly the best (unrealistic of course) there’s always someone who prefers another because performance will be better. The comment made about Rick Shiels was uncalled for, he does reviews. Don’t get on a high horse MGS, just keep up the good work and don’t worry about the reviewers.

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1 hour ago, Joel C said:

MGS poster states they saw gains for every MGS staffer that tested, no numbers were given so it has no validity to me.   Everyone’s ball speed  numbers went up…by how much, a just a couple MPH…10, 20 MPH?  No data was given and that IMO is disappointing from someone posting as MGS.

The data (though extremely sparse) was in the blog post so I assume they didn't feel the need to repeat it. 

How does the TaylorMade Stealth driver perform?

With the pool of golfers that comes with Most Wanted testing, we’ll have a much better sense of how Stealth stacks up. Out of the gate, in our range session with Trackman and TaylorMade TP5 balls, we saw exceptional results.

These days, I typically hover around 158 mph ball speed. With the Stealth Plus, I repeatedly hit 162 and change (a personal best for me). Obvious (though not massive) mishits dipped to 158 mph or so while the total trash typically stayed above 150.

Our Harry Nodwell plays professionally. He’s typically in the 178 mph range but he repeatedly and consistently broke 180, including a personal best of 181.4.

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1 hour ago, Joel C said:

Agree, disagree, or agree to disagree.   There are 3 winners here.

1- TW is getting free publicity for their new Stealth Driver, people are talking about it good, bad or indifferent.  This is what they want.

2 & 3 - Sheils and MGS, how many more eyes have visited their sites from the other b/c of this?   Would be interesting to see how many more views Shiels got this month b/c of this and many more visitors MGS got this month.   

 

My 2 putts…Sheils didn’t see much gain over last years tech and said as much, similar to when he tested the new Callaway Rogue Driver.   MGS poster states they saw gains for every MGS staffer that tested, no numbers were given so it has no validity to me.   Everyone’s ball speed  numbers went up…by how much, a just a couple MPH…10, 20 MPH?  No data was given and that IMO is disappointing from someone posting as MGS.

 

 

I do agree that MGS post seemed to want to point out that this is an envelope pushing new technology and could be tip of the spear for how golf clubs are made going forward.  Pointing out Shiels “meh” reivew of it seems unnecessary.

Didn’t think of it this way. Nice take 👍

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