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1 hour ago, Golfzilla70 said:

It's just about a guarantee you'll find a driver/shaft combination better than your current 2007 model.  the current tech is definitely better than that.  Having said that, finding the proper combination can take time, unless you're going to a fitter.  You can do like  i did, sort of hit different clubs with different shafts a few at a time at Golf Galaxy, pay attention to the spin and dispersion #'s, and you'll see for yourself what works best after a while (of course, you may need to do some research to know what your proper spin #'s should be for  your attack angle, but that's all part of the process)

Spin #s and aoa are a very small piece of the puzzle and not nearly as significant as other launch monitor numbers Ball speed and launch are a start more so than aoa and then how that impacts decent angle.

Also nobody needs to do any research. Flightscope has an optimizer that will allow a person to lug their numbers in with a simple google search of “flightscope optimizer”

Ping has put this chart out that’s been posted on this forum and others

 

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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On 1/14/2022 at 3:58 PM, CanadaMike said:

New member alert! haha I have a circa 2007 Cobra Speed Pro X 10.5° with an Aldila VS Proto 65g shaft and am having a really hard time finding a new driver to replace it. The feeling of all the new drivers (2021 model year) are so different compared to my current club that I struggle to hit all of the newer clubs. Has anyone else experienced this? Is this a case where I need to simply bite the bullet and buy something and then get out practicing to get comfortable with the new technology? I'd love to hear the groups thoughts on this.

 

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I had that driver. It remains one of my favorite drivers I've ever owned, and in the years after replacing it, some of my friends kept asking my why I ever switched from it. 

I'm no fitter, but that one was the "better player" option, so maybe try sticking with the more compact drivers in your next trial -- something like a TSi4 (technically smaller than the Cobra but might still fit your eye). Short of an actual fitting, it'll just be a lot of trial and error. 

 

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Fairway: :taylormade-small: SIM, 15* (adjusted to 15.75*), Shaft is a 50/50 split between Accra FX 2.0 300F M5 Flex and Paderson Kinetixx Ballistic TP 85 X Flex

Irons:  :titleist-small: T200 "Utility Build" 3 and 4 irons with Graphite Design Tour AD-IZ 95 X Flex, :titleist-small: T100S 5-PW with Nippon Pro Modus 120 X Flex (2021 MGS Test). These things are monsters. 

Wedges: :mizuno-small:T-20 Blue Ion 50.07, :Miura: K-Grind 2.0 Black 56* and Chrome 60* w/Accra SPI Tour

Putter: Total headcase, so it depends on the day. Rotate between :EVNROLL: ER11V ("Murdered Out" Black edition),  :mizuno-small: M Craft Type II Blue Ion and a Toulon Madison 

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Get fitted, walk in with your old driver and let them know if they can't beat the old by 10 plus yards with equal or better accuracy you aren't buying.  I have a hunch you will walk out with a club you love and if you don't love it don't buy it.

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9 hours ago, Hoyoymac said:

It sounds like you have either a swingweight or a shaft bend profile issue if you can’t feel where the club head is during your swing. 

If it is a swingweight issue and the head feels too light you can either add lead tape as a quick fix or use heavier screw in weights if the driver head has that capability until you get to the point where you can feel the head.

It could be a shaft issue.  Either the new shafts you are trying are more counterbalanced causing the head to feel light or the bend profile and/or stiffness you are accustomed to is different than the shafts you’ve been trying causing a different shaft loading sensation making it difficult for you to time your swing and release.

Getting the specs off of your current driver is a good starting point to compare against.  Length, lie angle, loft, swing weight, head weight, shaft weight, shaft stiffness, shaft bend point and/or EI curve if available.

Good luck in your search for a new driver.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Spin #s and aoa are a very small piece of the puzzle and not nearly as significant as other launch monitor numbers Ball speed and launch are a start more so than aoa and then how that impacts decent angle.

Also nobody needs to do any research. Flightscope has an optimizer that will allow a person to lug their numbers in with a simple google search of “flightscope optimizer”

Ping has put this chart out that’s been posted on this forum and others

 

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3 hours ago, ChiefMikeOfficer said:

I had that driver. It remains one of my favorite drivers I've ever owned, and in the years after replacing it, some of my friends kept asking my why I ever switched from it. 

I'm no fitter, but that one was the "better player" option, so maybe try sticking with the more compact drivers in your next trial -- something like a TSi4 (technically smaller than the Cobra but might still fit your eye). Short of an actual fitting, it'll just be a lot of trial and error. 

 

That you for the great advice and information! I really appreciate everyone's different perspectives and thoughts on this topic. My main goal with getting a new driver is to maintain a relatively consistent distance even with slightly off-center hits. I will take a look at the smaller driver heads as well because that may help with the transition. Does anyone know a good resource that shows the new driver dimensions? (ex. face length and height, head length and width, etc.), I would be curious which new drivers are most similar in shape to my Cobra.

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15 minutes ago, CanadaMike said:

That you for the great advice and information! I really appreciate everyone's different perspectives and thoughts on this topic. My main goal with getting a new driver is to maintain a relatively consistent distance even with slightly off-center hits. I will take a look at the smaller driver heads as well because that may help with the transition. Does anyone know a good resource that shows the new driver dimensions? (ex. face length and height, head length and width, etc.), I would be curious which new drivers are most similar in shape to my Cobra.

Wouldn't it be easier to just go to the store and see which ones fit your eye? I assume you have some brand preferences as well, we don't know those. I've never heard of someone trying to find a new club literally using measurements, but you're more than welcome to do so. There might be shapes that perform and feel better than your 2007 Cobra, those R&D peeps have been tweaking trying to make clubs better all this time.

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57 minutes ago, Middler said:

Wouldn't it be easier to just go to the store and see which ones fit your eye? I assume you have some brand preferences as well, we don't know those. I've never heard of someone trying to find a new club literally using measurements, but you're more than welcome to do so. There might be shapes that perform and feel better than your 2007 Cobra, those R&D peeps have been tweaking trying to make clubs better all this time.

Great point, and I definitely wouldn't shop based solely on measurements. The issue I face is that my local shops don't carry all of the heads available so it makes it tough to see the differences or to know what is out there because they all look the same online. I am leaning more towards going to a number of demo days and then book a fitting as I believe that will address most of the concerns and issues I have.

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Cobra Golf Logo - LogoDixCobra Speed Pro X 10.5° with Aldila VS Proto 65g shaft

Cobra Golf Logo - LogoDixCobra S2 3-Wood 15° with Fujikura Regular flex 65g shaft

                                 Founders Club Hybrids (3 & 4) and Irons (5-PW) with Regular shaft

Cleveland Golf - Wikipedia          50° and 56° CG14 with Zip Groves and 8° & 11° bounce with Wedge Flex shaft

                                 60° REG.588 Tour Action with Wedge Flex shaft

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1 hour ago, CanadaMike said:

 

 

That you for the great advice and information! I really appreciate everyone's different perspectives and thoughts on this topic. My main goal with getting a new driver is to maintain a relatively consistent distance even with slightly off-center hits. I will take a look at the smaller driver heads as well because that may help with the transition. Does anyone know a good resource that shows the new driver dimensions? (ex. face length and height, head length and width, etc.), I would be curious which new drivers are most similar in shape to my Cobra.

Each of the manufacturers websites. Other than g400(will only be able to find on secondary marker) the tsi4 and the TaylorMade 300 I’m not aware of any less than 460cc

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Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

 Other than g400(will only be able to find on secondary marker) 

Depends on where you look.  I was in my local golf shop yesterday picking up some new spikes and they had 4 brand new G400 drivers.  

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2 hours ago, cnosil said:

Depends on where you look.  I was in my local golf shop yesterday picking up some new spikes and they had 4 brand new G400 drivers.  

Interesting. Haven’t looked in awhile but hadn’t seen one in forever. I may need to get a hold of one of those 

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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Might want to check out the TaylorMade mini driver...

 

300 Mini Driver | TaylorMade (taylormadegolf.com)

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18 hours ago, CanadaMike said:

 

 

That you for the great advice and information! I really appreciate everyone's different perspectives and thoughts on this topic. My main goal with getting a new driver is to maintain a relatively consistent distance even with slightly off-center hits. I will take a look at the smaller driver heads as well because that may help with the transition. Does anyone know a good resource that shows the new driver dimensions? (ex. face length and height, head length and width, etc.), I would be curious which new drivers are most similar in shape to my Cobra.

 

17 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Each of the manufacturers websites. Other than g400(will only be able to find on secondary marker) the tsi4 and the TaylorMade 300 I’m not aware of any less than 460cc

Also notable - I think that Cobra was a 460cc. The TSi4 thought was more shape-related based on what I remember about that driver, but it's been about 10 years since I had it in hand. 

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Fairway: :taylormade-small: SIM, 15* (adjusted to 15.75*), Shaft is a 50/50 split between Accra FX 2.0 300F M5 Flex and Paderson Kinetixx Ballistic TP 85 X Flex

Irons:  :titleist-small: T200 "Utility Build" 3 and 4 irons with Graphite Design Tour AD-IZ 95 X Flex, :titleist-small: T100S 5-PW with Nippon Pro Modus 120 X Flex (2021 MGS Test). These things are monsters. 

Wedges: :mizuno-small:T-20 Blue Ion 50.07, :Miura: K-Grind 2.0 Black 56* and Chrome 60* w/Accra SPI Tour

Putter: Total headcase, so it depends on the day. Rotate between :EVNROLL: ER11V ("Murdered Out" Black edition),  :mizuno-small: M Craft Type II Blue Ion and a Toulon Madison 

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12 minutes ago, ChiefMikeOfficer said:

 

Also notable - I think that Cobra was a 460cc. The TSi4 thought was more shape-related based on what I remember about that driver, but it's been about 10 years since I had it in hand. 

Tsi4 is only 2 years old and it’s 425cc which is 5cc smaller than the ts4 release from 4ish years ago

 

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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10 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Tsi4 is only 2 years old and it’s 425cc which is 5cc smaller than the ts4 release from 4ish years ago

 

*Meant that as "based on what I remember about the Cobra", which I haven't seen in person in 10 years. 

Driver: :taylormade-small: Stealth Plus 8* (adjusted to 8.75*), Mitsubishi Diamana ZF 70 X Flex

Fairway: :taylormade-small: SIM, 15* (adjusted to 15.75*), Shaft is a 50/50 split between Accra FX 2.0 300F M5 Flex and Paderson Kinetixx Ballistic TP 85 X Flex

Irons:  :titleist-small: T200 "Utility Build" 3 and 4 irons with Graphite Design Tour AD-IZ 95 X Flex, :titleist-small: T100S 5-PW with Nippon Pro Modus 120 X Flex (2021 MGS Test). These things are monsters. 

Wedges: :mizuno-small:T-20 Blue Ion 50.07, :Miura: K-Grind 2.0 Black 56* and Chrome 60* w/Accra SPI Tour

Putter: Total headcase, so it depends on the day. Rotate between :EVNROLL: ER11V ("Murdered Out" Black edition),  :mizuno-small: M Craft Type II Blue Ion and a Toulon Madison 

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11 hours ago, ChiefMikeOfficer said:

*Meant that as "based on what I remember about the Cobra", which I haven't seen in person in 10 years. 

Ok. 460cc has been the standard for pretty much every release since that size became the norm(there may be some others that were slightly smaller) but it’s the ones  like mini drivers, the g400, ts/tsi4, m1 430 and 440 that are different. 

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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