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21 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

For the record,  I tried to scratch the face with my fingernail yesterda with more than enough force than anyone find any normal reason to do so, and was unable to make any sort of mark. 

 

Forget the fingernail....

We need a real stress test....smear some peanut butter on it and give it to your dog to chew on for a while then see what it looks like!!  🤣

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Looks like it made a mark, can you feel the indent?

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38 minutes ago, TBS said:

This should be pinned. Thank you for your high tech test! (A little tongue in check, but a claim that needed to be addressed!)

Seems like I may have fallen victim to some TM hating trolls. From the sound of it Stealth is holding up as a solid driver that is a potentially big step forward when it comes to new tech.

Well, I should clarify it was a human finger nail, not a robot fingernail.  I've spoken to many industry experts  and I have heard that human finger nail testig, is more relatable than robot fingernail testing.   

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3 hours ago, Manavs said:

Reposting the usga rules as written as a courtesy.  

 

Yes it left a mark. 

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Thanks for doing that test and posting the video.  Very interesting.    As I read the rules, I wonder how they interpret the word "significant"?

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23 hours ago, cnosil said:

Thanks for doing that test and posting the video.  Very interesting.    As I read the rules, I wonder how they interpret the word "significant"?

I agree, very evident it made an indention or mark. N0T confidence inspiring in the least. @Manavs

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I rarely order the "new" clubs every year.  CT is maxed and therefore ballspeed can only do so much.  What they can get better is retaining ballspeed across the face and keeping the ball in play across the face.

Stealth had me interested because of the weight savings, until I read that most of that savings was used up building the bracing for the new face, so they basically save 4 grams.  So no big weight savings to increase the MOI to help keep the ball in play across the face, and from what I have seen the ball speed isn't super special across the face either.

I am struggling to see a huge improvement in what SIM2 could do.  Sure most of the reviews I have seen are showing lower spin compared to other drivers, but I want my spin in the 2500 range and have that with my current driver.

Will I try the Stealth, LTDx, and new Rogues?  Absolutely, but I am not seeing anything in reviews that are showing any massive improvement and it will probably be a waste of time for me since I am pretty well fit in my driver already.

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9 minutes ago, Golferplus1 said:

I rarely order the "new" clubs every year.  CT is maxed and therefore ballspeed can only do so much.  What they can get better is retaining ballspeed across the face and keeping the ball in play across the face.

Stealth had me interested because of the weight savings, until I read that most of that savings was used up building the bracing for the new face, so they basically save 4 grams.  So no big weight savings to increase the MOI to help keep the ball in play across the face, and from what I have seen the ball speed isn't super special across the face either.

I am struggling to see a huge improvement in what SIM2 could do.  Sure most of the reviews I have seen are showing lower spin compared to other drivers, but I want my spin in the 2500 range and have that with my current driver.

Will I try the Stealth, LTDx, and new Rogues?  Absolutely, but I am not seeing anything in reviews that are showing any massive improvement and it will probably be a waste of time for me since I am pretty well fit in my driver already.

Lots of people including the reviewers are seeing swing speed increase which has the potential to increase ball speed and no drivers aren’t maxed out. There’s an article written by mgs staff that dives into this.

i wish people would do more reading and stop repeating things that have been shown to not be true. 

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11 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Lots of people including the reviewers are seeing swing speed increase which has the potential to increase ball speed and no drivers aren’t maxed out. There’s an article written by mgs staff that dives into this.

i wish people would do more reading and stop repeating things that have been shown to not be true. 

I wish people wouldn't assume what I have or have not read, and would actually read what I posted themselves.

Having a very good friend that was a patent attorney for a top golf company I have learned quite a bit.  

Can drivers get better?  Yes they can, is there some super material that could stay below the required ct mandated by the USGA and produce higher ball speeds, there very well could be. It is not here currently, in last years releases and not in this years releases.  Can they figure out how to increase ball speed on more places on the face?  Again, yes.  Can they figure out a way to make the head swing faster, again yes.  That doesn't change the smash factor multiplier to get from a CT to ballspeed.  I can also train to swing faster and increase ball speed.  THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID.  I said they have not figured out how to trick the CT measurement and produce higher ball speeds and basically get to a higher smash factor.

Can they make center strikes produce much bigger smash factors than they do currently?  If a new material is discovered or made that can fool CT and increase ball speed, sure.  That material is not in any head this year from all of the testing I have seen.  So yes ballspeed is currently maxed because there is not a material out right now that can stay below the CT and produce a big increase in ball speed.

Can they lower spin?  Again yes.  Can they do other things to make drivers better?  Sure, as I said IN MY FIRST POST, yes they can.  Please show me how the great and powerful OZ will stay below the CT and increase ball speed in some magnificent way, because until that happens yes drivers are maxed out as far as ball speed on SS hits.

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6 minutes ago, Golferplus1 said:

I wish people wouldn't assume what I have or have not read, and would actually read what I posted themselves.

Having a very good friend that was a patent attorney for a top golf company I have learned quite a bit.  

Can drivers get better?  Yes they can, is there some super material that could stay below the required ct mandated by the USGA and produce higher ball speeds, there very well could be. It is not here currently, in last years releases and not in this years releases.  Can they figure out how to increase ball speed on more places on the face?  Again, yes.  Can they figure out a way to make the head swing faster, again yes.  That doesn't change the smash factor multiplier to get from a CT to ballspeed.  I can also train to swing faster and increase ball speed.  THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID.  I said they have not figured out how to trick the CT measurement and produce higher ball speeds and basically get to a higher smash factor.

Can they make center strikes produce much bigger smash factors than they do currently?  If a new material is discovered or made that can fool CT and increase ball speed, sure.  That material is not in any head this year from all of the testing I have seen.  So yes ballspeed is currently maxed because there is not a material out right now that can stay below the CT and produce a big increase in ball speed.

Well said! 

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I have hit mine over 200 times, zero marks so far. Love this driver so far.

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9 hours ago, bellairemi said:

I did try the fingernail test on the edge of a demo Stealth face.  You could say it left a mark but definitely not an identation.  In fact I was able to buff out the mark pretty easily.

That is basically what the MGS staff told me yesterday about their trying the fingernail test.   I’m still not convinced on way or the other;  I would expect to see more posts about face damage if this was a significant issue.   But at this point all we can do is wait and see.  

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44 minutes ago, cnosil said:

That is basically what the MGS staff told me yesterday about their trying the fingernail test.   I’m still not convinced on way or the other;  I would expect to see more posts about face damage if this was a significant issue.   But at this point all we can do is wait and see.  

I saw a few posts on wrx about the face damage but they seemed to come from dirty/Sandy range balls or someone hitting near the very bottom of the face on the heel

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8 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I saw a few posts on wrx about the face damage but they seemed to come from dirty/Sandy range balls or someone hitting near the very bottom of the face on the heel

I posted this point in the main Stealth thread: sandy ranges/courses in the South and the potential for that sand to pit the face. As they say, “It will all come out in the wash.” 

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51 minutes ago, PMookie said:

I posted this point in the main Stealth thread: sandy ranges/courses in the South and the potential for that sand to pit the face. As they say, “It will all come out in the wash.” 

I saw that yesterday. Simple solution is to clean the range balls before one hits them with the stealth 

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Watch the PGA guys warm up, they'll rake balls over to hit with Irons and wedges, and sometime three woods and hybrids.

However I have never seen a single once pull balls off the ground and tee up to hit their driver.  Most of them are tossed a ball by their caddy, or pull one out of a bag to hit with the driver.  So even on Metal faced woods this is probably a good idea, I imagine even more so on the carbonwood face.

Am I intrigued by the carbon wood?  Yep.  However just like brand new cars I never buy the first model year.  Carbon wood saves a bunch of weight from the weight of the face, however they lose a bunch of it in the bracing.  In future iterations those weight savings will be more pronounced as they will better brace that face and reuse that weight somewhere else, a savings of 4 grams isn't game changing.  

Sure the face may lower spin, but so can the design of a head and quite a few other things.  Maybe the combo from the carbon wood lowers spin in a way that the rest of the weighting makes it the best driver for me, but it isn't some super out of the blue just game changing difference.

Every three years or so there is a club produced that for my swing and delivery makes a big difference.  Last year the Epic Max LS was that head.  Almost as forgiving as the G400 Max, and yet a lot lower in spin to hit my window more often.  I will try the TM, Cobra, Mizuno, and Cally releases this year, but I don't expect a ton of difference from what I currently have.

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I saw that yesterday. Simple solution is to clean the range balls before one hits them with the stealth 

There are range balls that should be cleaned before hitting with irons ... even PING's Indestructotanium 😬.

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