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4 hours ago, revkev said:

I would agree that Taylor Made and some of the other OEMs have determined through marketing studies that it is best to make these changes.  I still wonder about that choice and from comments here it would appear that I'm not alone.  I'm not impressed by a huge increase in sales as a rationale for saying it's okay.  Everyone had a huge increase in sales last year.  I'm happy about that and hope that some of the spaghetti sticks - as big as a pain as it is to get a tee time in Florida right now pace of play is staying at around 4 hours and it's great that so many people are playing golf.

Some people here complain and gripe purely for complaint and griping. But again in general forum golfers dive into things way deeper than the general golfer and question things like names, colors, head covers and so on.

It’s not just the last year, TaylorMade is #1 or 2 consistently in woods sales year after year. If there was confusion or whatever that wouldn’t happen. Especially when a brand like titleist had some of the easiest naming conventions as you knew what model you were looking based on the year destination 915, 917 as the last two releases before the TS line. So if there was confusion and that impacted how a person buys then why would titleist not out sell TaylorMade and callaway.

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Thanks for the unofficial review @revkev. I too have a hold of the regular Stealth 9deg with "Ventus" Red (TM Ventus, not velcore); Won one in an online contest. I currently game a TM M6 as TM's have always suited me best. The one round i've put in with the Stealth has been great. The misses seem much smaller than with my M6. I'll try to put together an unofficial review myself too. I have had a tendency to hit a slight fade with the Stealth so going to try ticking it 1deg towards HIGHER on the sleeve to close the face a. hair and see how that does. 

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meant to say fade, not draw. oops
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47 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Some people here complain and gripe purely for complaint and griping. But again in general forum golfers dive into things way deeper than the general golfer and question things like names, colors, head covers and so on.

It’s not just the last year, TaylorMade is #1 or 2 consistently in woods sales year after year. If there was confusion or whatever that wouldn’t happen. Especially when a brand like titleist had some of the easiest naming conventions as you knew what model you were looking based on the year destination 915, 917 as the last two releases before the TS line. So if there was confusion and that impacted how a person buys then why would titleist not out sell TaylorMade and callaway.

I think that you know full well that I don't complain just to complain.  In my eyes my concern is legit.  Fair or not Titleist is saddled with a reputation for being a Players only brand.  TMag and Callaway have been 1 and 2 for some time and are likely to stay that way with Ping often chomping a bit behind.  They won't change, I don't pretend that they will, they do make a quality product and they are convinced that how they market works.  I'm simply pointing out a concern that I have and have had for some time across the board about the brand.

 

@JMusc correct me if I'm wrong but if you go higher you are more likely to draw the ball even further.  I think you want it a click more open.  Does the face look a bit closed to you?

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13 hours ago, revkev said:

Always good to hear from you - I'm really curious about your comments about the appearance of the faces.  Do you have both drivers set at neutral?  I draw both but as you know having played with me, I can and eventually will draw anything.  Whether it's true or not the SIM face set at neutral appears square to me while the Stealth definitely appears closed - very similar to what you've observed.  I will be playing around with settings whenever I can get to the range.  I'm also going to try the Ventus Blue in the Stealth - why not?

 

 

I didn’t really say that it appeared one way or the other. The red face on the Stealth draws the eye and it has a curve to it. I just said that the ball flight was different. SIM2 fades and the Stealth draws. However, I am getting (see what I said there, apparently my mind is made up.) Stealth Plus. I did not notice it looking closed at address compared to the SIM2, but I have not hit the Plus side-by-side with the SIM2. Actually have never held them at the same time. 
 

Today, perfect weather today, I borrowed a Stealth Plus from the Pro Shop. It was 9° and on the Kai’li 6S not the 10.5° on the RDX, but I was fitted with the 10.5° turned down 3/4°  and thus open 1 1/2°. This I set to 9.75° but that closed the face 1.5°. The Kai’li was the shaft the fitter first picked for me, but for whatever reason, I preferred the Hzrdus Red Smoke RDX. But this was close enough. 
 

I went to the range and then played 18 holes with it. My back and knees were sore on the range and that never changed today. I swung the club terribly and for the most part when days like this happen, I go with more club and a “3/4” swing with everything but the driver. With that I just try to do my best. I fully tested out the forgiveness of this club. The center of the face is pristine. The low heal and high tow got a solid workout. Based on the monitor numbers I was expecting major improvements maybe 25 yards with a good swing. Unfortunately, I didn’t make any good swings. 
 

What I did see was probably 15-20 yard improvements on bad swing to bad swing, mainly in roll. But twice I just knew I wasn’t going to clear the hazard only to see it barely clear and when I got over there it had run out to almost, but not quite, to the area I would consider a “decent” drive. 
 

Bottom line is on a bad ball striking day I was able to scratch out an 80 because the poor strikes were still in play. Granted I only hit it 12 of those 80 strokes and 1/2 the time I still had to hit from a less than ideal location, but it was enough to convince me to go ahead and take the plunge. 

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15 hours ago, revkev said:

I think that you know full well that I don't complain just to complain.  In my eyes my concern is legit.  Fair or not Titleist is saddled with a reputation for being a Players only brand.  TMag and Callaway have been 1 and 2 for some time and are likely to stay that way with Ping often chomping a bit behind.  They won't change, I don't pretend that they will, they do make a quality product and they are convinced that how they market works.  I'm simply pointing out a concern that I have and have had for some time across the board about the brand.

 

@JMusc correct me if I'm wrong but if you go higher you are more likely to draw the ball even further.  I think you want it a click more open.  Does the face look a bit closed to you?

@revkevi meant to say i fade it a little bit. oops 🤦‍♂️. So i guess that kinda helps confirm what im reading; if i go slightly higher then it should help get me to straight or slight draw. I am horrible about really seeing if a club looks open or closed at address. Sounds weird but drivers always appear open to me; maybe bc i can see the face?? 

I wish there was somewhere i could try a autoflex or real ventus somewhere without a hassle....

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15 hours ago, revkev said:

I think that you know full well that I don't complain just to complain.  In my eyes my concern is legit.  Fair or not Titleist is saddled with a reputation for being a Players only brand.  TMag and Callaway have been 1 and 2 for some time and are likely to stay that way with Ping often chomping a bit behind.  They won't change, I don't pretend that they will, they do make a quality product and they are convinced that how they market works.  I'm simply pointing out a concern that I have and have had for some time across the board about the brand.

Didn’t say you were one to complain just to complain but that there are people on this forum that are that way, just like every other forum and in life. 
 

Not saying the concern is or isn’t valid, but rather that this isn’t something the general golfer has. I play the vast majority of my rounds with random people. I’ve played with an older guy who got for pxg and had a full bag of their clubs plus a staff bag from them, he is scotty Cameron club member and a team titleist member. He got Callaway clubs fit the next year. He had no idea about lofts, lie or anything else, it was all about the distance he was getting. Ibe played with guys who bought used and others who buy off the rack. They couldn’t tell you what driver A or driver B  from a company was designed to do. One guy had a Ping g400 max because he heard it was the most forgiving. It didn’t stop his swing from hitting a huge slice.
 

My old group that I played with for over 20 years are all the general golfer and have zero clue about club or shaft design, they buy based on what they’ve always played and adjust shaft flex based on the concept they are older and slower. I’ve had conversation after conversation with these guys and they all see what the pros play and if they want to switch from whatever brand they currently have they will use whatever is most successful on tour.

To me there’s not as much confusion as people want to say there is. Using the sim2 lineup and the stealth lineup as an example. They have made significant changes in the design with the size of the face, materials, weighting. Sliding weight has been brought back into the design. This track alone has changed over time on each release.

For the general golfer if they bought m2 then playing the m4,m6, sim max, sim2 max and now stealth will work for their needs.

Someone who has made swing changes, tinkered with shafts and maybe not made adjustments for swing weight due to length of shaft, weight, etc and does fittings they will potentially see some difference that affect their ball flight characteristics. Impact location, club delivery can all change.  Shafts role are for weight and feel. We’ve seen people have success keeping the same shaft from head to head and others that have had shafts not work in a new driver. I’ve had this happen with driver and 3w in the sim and sim2 lineup. 
 

Again as you saw with the stealth lineup, getting fit will make sure the golfer is in the most optimal setup and that assuming from release to release that things will be the same isn’t true, and that blind buying based on terms like low launch, low spin, stiff tip or whatever else a manufacturer uses and whether the golfer is buying to tinker or not will probably lead to money not well spent  

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@revkev, I was at the golf store yesterday and took a look at address of the 10.5 Stealth you’re playing and at the standard loft setting it does look closed, the 9 I have does not. I figured it was the combination of the additional loft, and the red face being so visible giving my eye that sense. Curious as to if it’s just as square as the 9 in reality.

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2 hours ago, JonMUSC08 said:

@revkevi meant to say i fade it a little bit. oops 🤦‍♂️. So i guess that kinda helps confirm what im reading; if i go slightly higher then it should help get me to straight or slight draw. I am horrible about really seeing if a club looks open or closed at address. Sounds weird but drivers always appear open to me; maybe bc i can see the face?? 

I wish there was somewhere i could try a autoflex or real ventus somewhere without a hassle....

If you wanted to PM me I have an autoflex 505 with a TMag adapter that I'm going to sell - maybe we could work out some sort of trial period, if you wanted to give it a whirl - it will launch the ball for sure and I would think would be great at straightening a slice. 🙂

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1 hour ago, revkev said:

If you wanted to PM me I have an autoflex 505 with a TMag adapter that I'm going to sell - maybe we could work out some sort of trial period, if you wanted to give it a whirl - it will launch the ball for sure and I would think would be great at straightening a slice. 🙂

I appreciate the offer but its ok, i'll manage. Heck, maybe this click higher fixes the problem. 

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I played 9 with LarryD at his club today after another video lesson the beginning of the week. Hadn’t hit balls since the lesson other than into the net.

 

Hit it pretty well today after the first couple of holes hit irons very well actually.

 

More important to this thread hit several very good drives with the stealth. Larry cracked several long ones with it also. 15 yards or so longer than the M4 he’s currently gaming. 

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Really pounded it on the range yesterday afternoon - My average carry was 221 vs. 215 a couple of weeks ago with the SIM 2.  My average clubhead speed was was 94 both sessions, ball speed was 2 mph faster with the stealth, launch angle an almost identical 13.9.  

 

On another note one of our pros came over and gave me a brief lesson on part wedges (I have been struggling with them and he saw me flailing away).  I hit one drive after that applying something he told me with the wedges and my swing speed was 99 mph with that one - and I was tired at that point - carry distance was over 230 - that wasn't in the mix on the 221 average. 🙂

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Progress?

 

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On 3/9/2022 at 2:55 PM, Middler said:

Progress?

 

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Interesting - I have an M1 and tried a similar test - M1 v. Stealth - my ball speeds with the Stealth were 6 to 7 MPH faster than the M1 - they are 2-3 MPH than the SIM2  - anything and everything is possible, we all know that - it's entirely possible that a particular player or swing type might do better with a driver that's 10 year's old than a current model.

 

Also, the advantage of newer drivers is going to come from off center hits and not a series of perfect ones.  No one has ever accused the M series of drivers of being forgiving.

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I realize that we have a couple of "Stealth" threads out there. To revisit this one I have been driving the ball very well this spring.  My driving distance has increased from 219 to 224 acc62 ording to shot scope - Remember that's not a straight comparison - both numbers include data from the SIM2 in them so the yardage increase is greater.  Also the 219 included a 310 yard drive - legitimately but it hit a cart path that crosses the fairway on a hole at the course we were playing - 

 

I've also increased my fairways hit to 71 % up from 63%.  Misses are almost always left now.  That makes my life much easier - knowing where a miss might be.

 

My buddy who was visiting this weekend has ordered his Stealth.

 

In terms of any issues with the face I dropped mine as I was pulling it from my bag and it hit the cart path on the crown - just a slight chipping of the paint, no ding, no cave in - the driver is fine.  

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Wilson D7 forged 5-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

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Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

 

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