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2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Tiger is h the GOAT and will be shown because of it. His comeback has already started at the Masters. Btw Phil can play The Open so while they are on separate tours this is one event that will see them in the same field. The Tiger vs Phil isn’t what everyone wants it to be or thought it was 

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13 hours ago, LICC said:

The new structure helps the top 50-70 players and is worse for the lower ranked players. It may even negatively affect the other tours that are part of the PGA Tour. LIV has forced a shifting of resources to the top players at the expense of others. This was one of the reasons the PGA Tour hadn’t done this before- to not hurt the rank and file members. Guys like Mickelson and Norman wanted bigger shares of the pie and didn’t care about those lower ranked players or affiliated tours. 

I equate this to what I’ve heard and experiences in my life, I was a foundation member of a Lion’s club in Sydney and my first year was 1st VP. 2nd year I was the President and what went on was a real eye opening experience, at the many meetings I attended during the week I associated with some of those in power such as  a Prison Warden and police and politicians. And I was part of a great organisation raising money for charity, but the manoeuvres that went on by some to get control of different projects was eye opening.  I see alot of this going on with Jay and the pga, sadly I think it’s too little too late because he’s made a lot of enemies with long memories…

I’m a hacker who loves nothing more than to change how I play, be that grips shafts and heads its all fair game lol…

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15 hours ago, LICC said:LIV has forced a shifting of resources to the top players at the expense of others. This was one of the reasons the PGA Tour hadn’t done this before- to not hurt the rank and file members. Guys like Mickelson and Norman wanted bigger shares of the pie and didn’t care about those lower ranked players or affiliated tours. 

I don’t agree, increasing the winning price also increases the following winners to the last position. 

I’m a hacker who loves nothing more than to change how I play, be that grips shafts and heads its all fair game lol…

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3 hours ago, shootmyage said:

i know if i was a above avg tour golfer and got offered a good sum of money from liv golf to join i would take it , things can happen to people so they can not compete anymore , so get the money up front and enjoy life .

if i had to bet on the next pga players to leave it would be --r. fowler -- jason day --a. scott  -- t. fleetwood ..

 

what i don't know is now they have 48 players , what if they have 80 , i can understand having 72 with a shotgun start 4x18  

 

but with 80 ??

That’s what Andy O thought. Now he is the first person dropped lol. PGA tour career over. Only way to fight back is to do Asian tour events.

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4 hours ago, shootmyage said:

phil  has a lot of putters , more than 50  i would think , he could be a great golfer again if he would change to a better putter , also he should stop trying to shape every shot and just put the ball in the middle of the green .

Then he would not be "Phil The Thrill" as we know him. He is exciting to me in as how in the heck is he going to get out of this? And the worse he scores then the crazier the shots he tries to pull off and yes he is a showman.

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7 hours ago, Hacker1 said:

Ok here we go again, putting it in one place.

Who will be the top 3 LIV golfers at The Open and where will they finish?

Will Tiger beat Phil?

Will Rory and Justin beat Brooks and Bryson?

What will Tiger say about LIV and Phil?

I'm thinking the Liv players are going to do well at the Open, in the Top 3...

I’m a hacker who loves nothing more than to change how I play, be that grips shafts and heads its all fair game lol…

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15 hours ago, Hacker1 said:

Ok here we go again, putting it in one place.

Who will be the top 3 LIV golfers at The Open and where will they finish?

Will Tiger beat Phil?

Will Rory and Justin beat Brooks and Bryson?

What will Tiger say about LIV and Phil?

It will be similar results as the US Open. Only a couple make the cut, the rest flounder. Brooks has the best chance.

I don't think Tiger will say anything too groundbreaking about LIV as to not take away from the R&A and the Open but I think that he eventually will. Tiger, JT, Spieth, and Rory are the only weapons the PGA tour has and I believe this group will make a strategic move to counter LIV. Just not until after the Open and maybe even after the Tour Championship at the end of August.

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13 minutes ago, cnosil said:

The DP World Tour have confirmed that players who have joined LIV will be fined and suspended from future tournaments, including the Scottish Open in July.

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6 minutes ago, LICC said:

The DP World Tour have confirmed that players who have joined LIV will be fined and suspended from future tournaments, including the Scottish Open in July.

They are also fining members 100k... Ouch 

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They have only officially suspended them from joint events with the pga as of now. If they play in the next event there could be more. 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Bang60 said:

I'm thinking the Liv players are going to do well at the Open, in the Top 3...

You could be right. Louie Oosthuizen definitely (won a major, he has a very long list of runner up for the Majors, fan favourite), Lee Westwood, Richard Bland (underdog favourite), Bryson is he acts like he used to before being bulked up Jock, i.e. the Professor and only hits driver when it is smart to do so, needs to be little wind for him to win), Brooks could do well if his head is in it and he is healthy, Dustin could do well, perhaps Sergio if he can keep his cool and Phil if he is not pestered by the media and fans.

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12 minutes ago, Hacker1 said:

You could be right. Louie Oosthuizen definitely (won a major, he has a very long list of runner up for the Majors, fan favourite), Lee Westwood, Richard Bland (underdog favourite), Bryson is he acts like he used to before being bulked up Jock, i.e. the Professor and only hits driver when it is smart to do so, needs to be little wind for him to win), Brooks could do well if his head is in it and he is healthy, Dustin could do well, perhaps Sergio if he can keep his cool and Phil if he is not pestered by the media and fans.

You do realize Bryson had more success after he bulked up than before and the reason he hasn’t been playing well is mostly due to injury.

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9 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

You do realize Bryson had more success after he bulked up than before and the reason he hasn’t been playing well is mostly due to injury.

Actually he does not play smart anymore just a bomber, no longer the Professor, actually he really only won a major other events not much difference, actually worse especially for bad scores whihc he gets a lot now, likely worse as he used to at least contend when he was more agile. He no longer thinks he just grips it and rips it.

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4 hours ago, bens197 said:

This was a fun one to wake up to this morning.

 

... I saw an unconfirmed report LIV is pursuing Martin Shkreli and the Sackler Family as sponsors. 

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17 minutes ago, Hacker1 said:

Actually he does not play smart anymore just a bomber, no longer the Professor, actually he really only won a major other events not much difference, actually worse especially for bad scores whihc he gets a lot now, likely worse as he used to at least contend when he was more agile. He no longer thinks he just grips it and rips it.

With the publishing of strokes gained numbers and analyzing more shot analytics, it shows that the farther you can hit the ball the lower scores will generally be.   Yesterday, Rory was asked about a drive he hit over the trees and his response was analytics show that you should hit driver there.   The game of golf is changing and bombing the ball is generally the optimal strategy.  There really is little reason to “think” while on the course as strategies are already calculated and formulas are followed. 

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42 minutes ago, Hacker1 said:

Actually he does not play smart anymore just a bomber, no longer the Professor, actually he really only won a major other events not much difference, actually worse especially for bad scores whihc he gets a lot now, likely worse as he used to at least contend when he was more agile. He no longer thinks he just grips it and rips it.

Define smart? He understands the at distance is key. Strokes gained proves this. He realized that which is why he bulked you to increase speed and distance. It’s why he won the number of tournaments he did after bulking up compared to what you consider smart golf which is hit less club off the tee and whatever outdated philosophies you possibly believe in.

These guys use data to make decisions and his success with going for distance proved to be the smart play and not what you think is smart. 

 

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52 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Define smart? He understands the at distance is key. Strokes gained proves this. He realized that which is why he bulked you to increase speed and distance. It’s why he won the number of tournaments he did after bulking up compared to what you consider smart golf which is hit less club off the tee and whatever outdated philosophies you possibly believe in.

These guys use data to make decisions and his success with going for distance proved to be the smart play and not what you think is smart. 

 

Bulking up has nothing to do with it. He didn't gain distance after starting weight training.

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

There really is little reason to “think” while on the course as strategies are already calculated and formulas are followed.

Unfortunately.

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1 hour ago, chisag said:

 

... I saw an unconfirmed report LIV is pursuing Martin Shkreli and the Sackler Family as sponsors. 

Presumably for the role of Exec. VP of Media Consumption and Pain Management, respectively. 

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1 hour ago, LICC said:

 

Let's not get off topic with this silliness again please. This topic is about LIV.

Please define "what" about Liv we can discuss, obviously not the players so what's left? Silliness indeed, lol

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15 minutes ago, Bang60 said:

Please define "what" about Liv we can discuss, obviously not the players so what's left? Silliness indeed, lol

I was talking about the distance gains debate silliness. 

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2 hours ago, LICC said:

He is no more bulked up now than he was three seasons ago. 

Yes look at his avg distance before he started weight training and the 5-7 years after. No difference.

Let's not get off topic with this silliness again please. This topic is about LIV.

Good lord you have no clue what are talking about. He went on his mass gain 3 seasons ago. His numbers are all over the internet for anyone to see. He gained speed and distance when he decided to add size. Whether you like it or not that’s fact. As a result the first year of that he gained 17 yards in avg distance and the year after he gained another yard+
 

Not to mention nearly every player on the pga tour commented about his distance and some like rory even tried to chase it.

 So yeah when you are wrong again you want to move on

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53 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Good lord you have no clue what are talking about. He went on his mass gain 3 seasons ago. His numbers are all over the internet for anyone to see. He gained speed and distance when he decided to add size. Whether you like it or not that’s fact. As a result the first year of that he gained 17 yards in avg distance and the year after he gained another yard+
 

Not to mention nearly every player on the pga tour commented about his distance and some like rory even tried to chase it.

 So yeah when you are wrong again you want to move on

Are you talking about Rory or Bryson? As to Bryson, he bulked up AND made substantial swing changes at the same time. It was the swing changes that led to the distance gains. He even later admitted that he continued to weight train and bulk and he got no more distance. 
All the credible evidence shows that equipment advances, and not weight training, is what has resulted in distance gains on the Tour. Period. 
Now please respect the topic and bring this discussion to a different forum topic if you want to continue. 

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