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3 hours ago, PeterHenric said:

So the thing that will be interesting to see is how many of these bottom tier guys get to keep their spot on tour as more of the big name guys come over. I saw somewhere that 3-4 guys who played on the asian tour were actually able to go back to the asian tour when they got bumped out of the league.

If I was an up and comer and had an opportunity to get on LIV, it would be really hard to turn it down, at least financially.

I think that is exactly what Pat Perez and many others in his mid-career, middle of the pack are thinking.  Get in early and make as much as you can before you get bumped; either because you continue to play mediocre or more top talent shows up.  Perez may very likely make more this inaugural year than he'd make in 10 years on tour.  Add to that his chances of being in a major or Ryder Cup, or Presidents Cup (slim to none), and it's easy to understand why their making the move.

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And according to this Twitter user who tracked the YouTube concurrents every 15 minutes for the event on Sunday, viewership topped out at 115,000.

These numbers are down significantly from LIV’s previous tournament, which took place the first weekend in July.

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6 hours ago, LICC said:

And according to this Twitter user who tracked the YouTube concurrents every 15 minutes for the event on Sunday, viewership topped out at 115,000.

These numbers are down significantly from LIV’s previous tournament, which took place the first weekend in July.

I also saw on one of my FB feeds that tickets that originally sold for like $75 were down to like $3. Do not know per say. The same article said that there were less than 10K people that clicked on the LIV website. These days you never know because the media will post anything without checking the facts. They also quoted the same 115,000 you posted in the same article for U-Tube

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14 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I figured as much, but given all the various nonsense and everything else that has gone on in this thread I wouldn't be surprised at anything someone may believe or have read and believed to be true. 

If you think this is something you ought to read some of the articles that are on my FB feeds---- Personally I do not know what to believe anymore from either side.

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10 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

I think that is exactly what Pat Perez and many others in his mid-career, middle of the pack are thinking.  Get in early and make as much as you can before you get bumped; either because you continue to play mediocre or more top talent shows up.  Perez may very likely make more this inaugural year than he'd make in 10 years on tour.  Add to that his chances of being in a major or Ryder Cup, or Presidents Cup (slim to none), and it's easy to understand why their making the move.

Kinda like the Steve Miller song "Take the Money and Run" In his case ride the horse for the money until she bucks you. I like Perez BTW long hair party guy and says honestly what is on his mind and does not care if someone like it or not

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I’m strugling to understand the organisation of Golf.

1) you have the R&A and the USGA that define the rules of golf and run their respective Opens

2) PGA of America runs the US PGA Championship and Ryder Cup US

3) PGA Tour runs the tour and the Fed Ex, Korn Ferry

4) European Tour runs DP World Tour and Race to Dubai, Challenger Tour

5) WGC events?

6) Ryder Cup Europe?

7) Asia Tour

who decides what? World ranking points in particular. What is the hierarchy?

Im no great supporter of LIV and where the money comes from but players are making decisions based on cash, which they are entitled to do. 

 

 

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Have any OEMs taken a public stance on LIV yet? Obviously, there have been companies that have dropped players, but I don't think I've seen any company come out and publicly disavow LIV. Odyssey social media seems to believe a win is a win is a win. 

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1 hour ago, Headhammer said:

Have any OEMs taken a public stance on LIV yet? Obviously, there have been companies that have dropped players, but I don't think I've seen any company come out and publicly disavow LIV. Odyssey social media seems to believe a win is a win is a win. 

They’re waiting (as long as possible) to see how their customers react, hoping they don't have to change anything. They’ll do whatever they expect to maximize revenue/earnings - they wouldn’t touch right v wrong with a ten foot pole. They won’t take a position if they don’t have to. Same with endorsement contracts. Evidently Odyssey has decided to tentatively test the waters.

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3 hours ago, Alf. S said:

5) WGC events?

6) Ryder Cup Europe?

7) Asia Tour

who decides what? World ranking points in particular. What is the hierarchy?

Im no great supporter of LIV and where the money comes from but players are making decisions based on cash, which they are entitled to do. 

WGC events are a collab of all tours and entry is based on world ranking.

Ryder Cup Europe team is handled by European tour and pga of Great Britain and Ireland. One has to be a member of the euro tour now called dp world tour

Asian tour is its own tour. Iirc it’s run by the international federation of pga tours.

This will explain how owgr points are assigned 

http://www.owgr.com/about

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Saw a headline that per Norman the LIV offer to Tiger is $700-800 million

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5 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Saw a headline that per Norman the LIV offer to Tiger WAS $700-800 million

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6 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Saw a headline that per Norman the LIV offer to Tiger is $700-800 million

That’ll get your attention!!

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7 minutes ago, Rickp said:

That’ll get your attention!!

Evidently it didn’t…

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3 hours ago, Headhammer said:

Have any OEMs taken a public stance on LIV yet? Obviously, there have been companies that have dropped players, but I don't think I've seen any company come out and publicly disavow LIV. Odyssey social media seems to believe a win is a win is a win. 

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At my range (Miles of Golf Cincinnati) there were multiple Odysey posters featuring Kevin Na ("Walk it in with Na"). They all disappeared when he signed with LIV. I don't know if that was an Odyssey or local decision.

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5 hours ago, Alf. S said:

I’m strugling to understand the organisation of Golf.

1) you have the R&A and the USGA that define the rules of golf and run their respective Opens

2) PGA of America runs the US PGA Championship and Ryder Cup US

3) PGA Tour runs the tour and the Fed Ex, Korn Ferry

4) European Tour runs DP World Tour and Race to Dubai, Challenger Tour

5) WGC events?

6) Ryder Cup Europe?

7) Asia Tour

who decides what? World ranking points in particular. What is the hierarchy?

Im no great supporter of LIV and where the money comes from but players are making decisions based on cash, which they are entitled to do. 

 

 

I would think it ultimately comes down to the One World Golf Ranking board made up of:

Chairman – Peter Dawson

Augusta National Golf Club – Buzzy Johnson

European Tour – Keith Pelley

International Federation of PGA Tours – Keith Waters

PGA of America – Seth Waugh

PGA TOUR – Jay Monahan

The R&A – Martin Slumbers

USGA – Mike Whan

 

Here's an interesting slide deck I found on the updated OWGR points from August 2021. As discussed at length on here, LIV has A LOT to change to get OWGR points. 

http://www.owgr.com/Archive/Announcement/OWGR - Updated System Information - FINAL.pdf

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8 hours ago, BIG STU said:

f you think this is something you ought to read some of the articles that are on my FB feeds---- Personally I do not know what to believe anymore from either side.

 

... Sadly I watched All The Presidents Men last night and it reminded me of a time when news was a loss leader but accurate and not a profitable part of a TV Stations revenue. A good friend of mine did a weekend shift at my radio station in Philly but his full time job was Field News Editor in charge of getting video to use on air. They had to have 3 verifiable sources before they could run a story and he thought it was frustrating when they had 2 verified sources and couldn't run the story but was glad those checks and balances were in place. The day they announced they no longer would verify sources and run what they wanted with a single source was the day he put in his two week notice because they would no longer be broadcasting "news". 

... Rupert Murdoch changed everything when he started a TV station that bent the "news" to what his audience wanted to hear and his station made huge profits. Constant opinion and very little real news and it really started the divide that was no longer agree to disagree but one side vs the other. Beginning of the end as over time every cable "news" station followed tailoring their content to their audience and now it takes real diligence and time to find the truth, and even then it may not be available. 

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4 hours ago, Rickp said:

That’ll get your attention!!

 

Wow!  I'll sign for as little as a free lifetime gasoline card for me and my direct descendants.

 

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6 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Saw a headline that per Norman the LIV offer to Tiger is $700-800 million

Well for crying out loud, no wonder he passed.  Something ending with a "B" or move along.... jeeezzz. 😆

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Sure looked like a political rally this week......just sayin.......

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6 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... Sadly I watched All The Presidents Men last night and it reminded me of a time when news was a loss leader but accurate and not a profitable part of a TV Stations revenue. A good friend of mine did a weekend shift at my radio station in Philly but his full time job was Field News Editor in charge of getting video to use on air. They had to have 3 verifiable sources before they could run a story and he thought it was frustrating when they had 2 verified sources and couldn't run the story but was glad those checks and balances were in place. The day they announced they no longer would verify sources and run what they wanted with a single source was the day he put in his two week notice because they would no longer be broadcasting "news". 

... Rupert Murdoch changed everything when he started a TV station that bent the "news" to what his audience wanted to hear and his station made huge profits. Constant opinion and very little real news and it really started the divide that was no longer agree to disagree but one side vs the other. Beginning of the end as over time every cable "news" station followed tailoring their content to their audience and now it takes real diligence and time to find the truth, and even then it may not be available. 

I've been telling all and sundry that the news is one person's version of what's going on, yeah like others Murdoch has a axe to grind. If I can't see it happening it didn't imho...

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