GolfSpy MPR Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I suspect some of you are already familiar with this concept. It's most notable proponent is Bryson, who has been one of the very best putters on Tour the past couple of years. And it's not limited to arm lock putting. The basic idea is related to our normal understanding of strong and weak grips. A strong grip typically encourages the face to close through impact; a weak grip the opposite. What Bryson does is turn his lead arm as weak as possible and his trail arm as strong as possible. If you try this, you'll see that it makes it really hard to move the face around. Most of us have a predominant miss when putting. For me, it's a pull. And so this morning, I experimenting with turning my lead hand (I putt slightly left-hand low) very, very weak. The immediate results were quite promising. I felt like I could make a very free stroke without any fear of a left, pull miss. Has anyone else experimented with this? Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Tried it and it is disaster for me. Putting is the strongest part of my game and I’m a right hand dominant putter that releases the putter head through the stroke this method felt absolutely awful and I had absolutely no feel or distance control with this setup and subsequent stroke cnosil, Kenny B and GolfSpy MPR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 33 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Has anyone else experimented with this? Yep. Lots of ways to move a putter and take a stance and as part of the lesson I took we talked about sources of motion and how these things influenced the stroke. Part if the decision process was experimenting to make informed choices and find correct matchups. GolfSpy MPR and Kenny B 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haro Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) Is that the idea for the claw? When I turn my trail arm to claw I don’t think I can pull the putt as much or at least takes one variable out for pulling. The trail hand turning over too much Edited March 24, 2022 by Haro GolfSpy MPR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Nope. I have a very short followthrough... not Snedeker short, but close. My right hand guides the stroke; left hand is along for the ride, so best for me is to get palms facing each other. cnosil 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted March 25, 2022 Author Share Posted March 25, 2022 17 hours ago, Haro said: Is that the idea for the claw? When I turn my trail arm to claw I don’t think I can pull the putt as much or at least takes one variable out for pulling. The trail hand turning over too much It's related, but in some sense, even more extreme. The claw works by reducing the influence that the trail hand has on the stroke. End-of-range-of-movement would mean that you take your trail arm, turn it as far as possible in one direction, and then take your grip. For instance, this image from golf.com shows how Bryson turns his lead arm as counterclockwise as possible and his trail arm as clockwise as possible: If you try this, you'll see that your ability to rotate the face of the putter at becomes very restricted, which is the point. It's also why I get how someone like @jlukes would quickly find it intolerable. It's very mechanical. null 1 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 It does seem like an interesting idea and of course is something that Bryson would come up with. I saw it in one of his videos on YouTube a while back. have not given it a try, but if things go south you never know might be worth a shot. GolfSpy MPR 1 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbradley609 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 9:51 AM, jlukes said: Tried it and it is disaster for me. Putting is the strongest part of my game and I’m a right hand dominant putter that releases the putter head through the stroke this method felt absolutely awful and I had absolutely no feel or distance control with this setup and subsequent stroke lol, who messes with the strongest part of their game? If it ain't broke, blah blah blah.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, stevenbradley609 said: lol, who messes with the strongest part of their game? If it ain't broke, blah blah blah.. I didn’t. I simply tried gripping a putter differently for 5 strokes on a practice green Appreciate your concern though GolfSpy MPR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesmandan76 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Paul Runyan, (aka "Little Poison"), who had the best short game on tour for many years, advocated this kind of grip, though he did it with his arms quite bent. He sort of bent over with really bent arms and his hands both turned under the bottom of the shaft/grip. Bryson does it with straight arms, Runyan with very bent arms. There are a lot of youtube videos on him and putting and the short game. Haro and GolfSpy MPR 2 Quote Driver: TM M1 9.5* 4W: Wishon bent FLAT Irons: Mizuno MP20MB Wedges: 50/55/60 Mizuno Putter: Evnroll ER2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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