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36 minutes ago, 70445 said:

All very interesting info, us seniors  are sometimes overlooked!  More about the big hitters.  Anyway I’m 76, and have played for 5 or 6 decades!  Been losing distance for a few years, so my current equipment isn’t getting the job done.  It couldn’t be me.  I currently hit a Ping G400 10.5 driver, Reg Alta shaft.  Not getting much distance 170 carry😟.  I demoed a Cally Rouge ST draw sr shaft, numbers were better 12° loft.!  But $600 is way too much.  Just wondering what others are looking at or using.  Really don’t have access to a launch monitor, so I’m kind stuck on junk luck in finding the correct combo. 

Had same driver for a while Titleist TSI2, Kuro Kage Senior 50g.  
Backup G410, Alta A shaft.  
lm not sure what loft, probably 11.5-12*

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Left Hand, 

Driver; Titleist TSi2, Kuro Kage 50 gr R2

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous Vista Pro R2

Irons; Ping G710 6-GW, Recoil 460 R2

Wedges; Titleist S9 54*

Putter; Waaay too many to list

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2 hours ago, Bobbers said:

I'll  keep notes and keep you posted in this thread.

Use the same ball.

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15 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

Use the same ball.

Definitely!!

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Left Hand, 

Driver; Titleist TSi2, Kuro Kage 50 gr R2

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous Vista Pro R2

Irons; Ping G710 6-GW, Recoil 460 R2

Wedges; Titleist S9 54*

Putter; Waaay too many to list

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12 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... Just keep in mind where you live and play also makes a big difference. Most midwest courses are soft and carry is king. Phoenix is very firm and I see seniors hit low trajectories off the tee that roll up to 100 yds, especially level or uphill. I find it really interesting when someone basically tops a tee shot and hits it farther than their normal "fade" because it rolls 200 yds when back in Chicago the ole "didn't make it to the front tee" penalty applies. 

I'm THAT Chicago Guy! I feel like I'm, in real life, the dude in the commercial where the guy in the starters house is yelling at the dude on the Ladies Tee and finally screams " I'M ON MY FRIGGIN THIRD SHOT!!! OK"?

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20 hours ago, Kenny B said:

Interesting test.  Please let this soon-to-be 75-year old what you find out.  I don't have a launch monitor, but I should try to locate one.

I found one! 

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WITB:

Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:     th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg Gen5 0311 7w  Fujikura Motore X F3

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :Sub70:  JB 52° , 286 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

Ball: :srixon-small: Z-Star Diamond

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For everyone here looking for that little extra launch height and swing speed, if you are looking at a new driver... I highly recommend the Cobra Jr edition. 

It's lighter then the regular version, and comes in higher loft options (12 & 14). It has the same adapter, and the same adjustability options. It's also $100 less then the regular version. 

It looks exactly like the regular version. It does come with a JR length (40") shaft in a low weight, which might be prefect for some. But when you register it, cobra gives you a free 1 time shaft upgrade to any shaft in their no up charge line up. Is being as a JR player gets bigger and faster they can get a stiffer or longer shaft. 

My wife is 5'1" and low 80's SS. No driver out comes close to matching it for distance. 

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Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:     th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg Gen5 0311 7w  Fujikura Motore X F3

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :Sub70:  JB 52° , 286 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

Ball: :srixon-small: Z-Star Diamond

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10 hours ago, Kenny B said:

Use the same ball.

I intend to.  Got some of the Maxfli Tour balls to use for the evaluation AND the upcoming season.

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PXG 0211  12*  Paderson Kinetixx A flex

PXG 0211 5 and 7 Woods  Paderson Kinetixx A Flex

PXG 0211 5 and 5 Hybrids  MMT A Flex

Cobra 7 Hybrid  A Flex

PXG 8,9,PW,GW Vista Pro A Flex

Cleveland CBX 54/12

Cobra Vintage Nova 33"

 

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14 hours ago, funkyjudge said:

I don’t mind seeing spin numbers in the low 3,000s for golfers with a driver clubhead speed below 80 MPH. For female and senior golfers who struggle to get that speed above the low 70s (my wife is a perfect example), 3,500 RPM is not all that bad.

Exactly. Spin can be a golfers friend, but there is a point where too much or too little that will negatively effect the ball flight, distance and dispersion.

Spin has to be taken into account with launch, peak height and land angle.

As you mention slower swing speeds are going to benefit from more spin to help get and keep the ball in the air

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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I’m 73 and playing the best golf of my life since I started at 51; thanks to retirement and more golf time. I went to a Callaway demo day a few years ago and was fitted into a Epic Flash 10.5 45g Green Even Flow regular flex. Shortly after this I read the Mygolfspy article on drivers showing the favorite to be the Epic Flash Sub Zero. The fitter never tried this head probably based on my 90 mph swing. I did see slower swingers we’re also doing well with this head so I traded my driver for the Sub Zero. I’m finding slightly longer drives I’m assuming from less spin but also straighter drives. 
i play year round in Naples and Columbus and find trajectory needs to change based on the changing course conditions. Now that the fairways are drying out a lower drive is a longer drive. 

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On 4/1/2022 at 7:51 AM, Bobbers said:

I'm a senior golfer.  Heck, I'm probably, at almost 72, a super senior golfer.  Like a lot of guys my age I hit the ball pretty straight but a lack of distance, particularly off the tee, is a problem.

I love my PXG 0211 driver.  It's 10.5 so I can go from 9-12 degrees which should be enough to find the proper loft.

With all that as background we turn to the idea of spin rate off the tee when using the driver.

I've assembled a stable of shafts, all in A flex as befitting a swing speed with the driver that's in the 80 mph range.

My question is, when I take the collected multitude to the launch monitor, what sort of spin rate should I be looking for to optimize distance?  2300 rpm?  2700 rpm?

Any guidance based on experience that you can offer will be greatly appreciated.  I figured it made more sense to try and establish a goal before testing than to generate a bunch of data and ask for assistance making sense of it.

I'm 75 and was overly concerned about spin since at my last trackman fitting 2 years ago I was in the high 3000's and occasionally broaching 4000. I started out with a 410 (10.5) and the Alta SR shaft (Official 2020 Ping 410 tester). The SR shaft was based on the Ping online 'fitting'. The fitter told me to switch to a regular flex shaft (and I bought the ALTA since it was the most affordable). Note at that fitting, I had a very steep AOA.  Since then I had a few lessons given the steep angle and have greatly improved my swing. Note, the instructor told me to dial down the driver which I had at the highest setting (11.5*),  I have over time dialed it down (continuous process) and it now is set at 9.5*. I'm getting the distance and straight ball flight, however, I can't tell you what the spin #'s at this point. I will be going for another driver fitting the end of April and will be curios to see what the impact of getting down to the 9.5 yields for spin. Stay tuned. 

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Cobra King F-9  5 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*

Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts 

:titelist-small: SM7 54* Wedge

:ping-small: Glide 3.0  60* Wedge

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Playing conditions do matter.  I live in the MId-West (Ohio).   Through about end of April, it is typically cold and wet and windy.   More carry is beneficial.  But once it warms up and dries out a bit, I have much better luck with a LOWER loft on my driver.  I have a Ping G410 (10.5).   I typically have it set -.6 or even -1 all summer.   The difference  is 10 - 15 yards or more.   I see the same thing on my SkyTrak launch monitor, too.  The idea that more loft is automatically better for slower swing speeds does not really pan out, in my experience.   I got fitted into a 12 degree Ping driver a few years ago.   I am much longer at 9 degrees than at 12.    For context, I am 63 years old (8 -10 HDCP), and my driver swing speed is around 90 (plus or minus 5 mph on any given day).    My drivers are commonly 205 - 225 (cold and wet) -- and maybe up to 250 on a warm, dry day.  I would just say to experiment (or keep experimenting) and see what is optimal for you.   I agree that something under 3000 rpm is a good objective.  

 

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Mornin Bobbers, I'm your age (72) and play the same driver (for now) with A flex, similar length (around 200 total yards) and live in Waukesha, so generally the same conditions.  I went to an indoor golf center the other day to check my head speed and was registering between 83 and 88 mph.  Having said all of this, I find that my search for a driver (really any) shaft is grounded in basically 3 parameters, 1. ball control, 2. total distance and 3. feel and I can't really tell you which is most important TO ME.  I seek distance but feel plays a big role for me and that can't be measured on a monitor.  I like a soft feel upon impact but tend to find that if I get too much kick at the bottom of the shaft, although it feels good, the ball goes too high and just falls out of the sky with little to no role.  I'll be interested to see which shaft you settle on and what the characteristics of the shaft are.  I have a bad back problem (need to have fusion surgery but putting it off) and have been thinking of going to an L flex shaft to see if I can get more pop out of that.  Good luck on your search.

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FWIW I will take two drivers out to a course when it isn’t busy. I’ll hit exact same ball with both drivers over several holes and compare the results with a laser. This is a real world comparison and how I compared the two flash models. CPO makes this easier with Callaway 1-2 year old models and then I return or trade in the loser. Drivers change very little year to year. 

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18 hours ago, 70445 said:

All very interesting info, us seniors  are sometimes overlooked!  More about the big hitters.  Anyway I’m 76, and have played for 5 or 6 decades!  Been losing distance for a few years, so my current equipment isn’t getting the job done.  It couldn’t be me.  I currently hit a Ping G400 10.5 driver, Reg Alta shaft.  Not getting much distance 170 carry😟.  I demoed a Cally Rouge ST draw sr shaft, numbers were better 12° loft.!  But $600 is way too much.  Just wondering what others are looking at or using.  Really don’t have access to a launch monitor, so I’m kind stuck on junk luck in finding the correct combo. 

There’s always the option to pay $75 to get fit, starting with your current setup so you know if a better combo or even a small swing tweak will help. Then, you can find a new combo that works and walk away. In 2 years the price will come down and buy it used. I’m. Titleist guy, and yes, not cheap. Other choices are Tour Edge, Cleveland, and the PXG 0211 series. All closer to $400 than $600. Just don’t go near “the rack”. Seniors are not the average player. Even lofts can vary, let alone shafts, so - get fit with a launch monitor. 

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The lineup of shafts that I'll be putting to the test, in no order of importance, include:

Fujikura Atmos 5

UST Helium

Attas ISA 1000

Aldila Synergy

Pro Launch 45

Aldila Quaranta

Paderson Kinetix

EvenFlow Riptide Blue CB

Rogue 95MSI 60 gram

EvenFlow Red Max Carry

Accra 152I

Air Speeder 40

All of those are in "senior" flex, be it r2/lite/senior/etc.

Also have a Bassara 43 gram in Regular flex that I'll be testing.

 

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PXG 0211  12*  Paderson Kinetixx A flex

PXG 0211 5 and 7 Woods  Paderson Kinetixx A Flex

PXG 0211 5 and 5 Hybrids  MMT A Flex

Cobra 7 Hybrid  A Flex

PXG 8,9,PW,GW Vista Pro A Flex

Cleveland CBX 54/12

Cobra Vintage Nova 33"

 

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59 minutes ago, Bobbers said:

The lineup of shafts that I'll be putting to the test, in no order of importance, include:

Fujikura Atmos 5

UST Helium

Attas ISA 1000

Aldila Synergy

Pro Launch 45

Aldila Quaranta

Paderson Kinetix

EvenFlow Riptide Blue CB

Rogue 95MSI 60 gram

EvenFlow Red Max Carry

Accra 152I

Air Speeder 40

All of those are in "senior" flex, be it r2/lite/senior/etc.

Also have a Bassara 43 gram in Regular flex that I'll be testing.

 

Good luck,   
a couple of those shafts I have Demoed so interested in your take.

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Rick

 

 

Left Hand, 

Driver; Titleist TSi2, Kuro Kage 50 gr R2

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous Vista Pro R2

Irons; Ping G710 6-GW, Recoil 460 R2

Wedges; Titleist S9 54*

Putter; Waaay too many to list

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Great thread @Bobbers lots of good discussion and information from many similar specs golfers.  As someone is younger than most thst posted 62, but the same swing speed 85, I can relate to a lot of the info shared. 
 

You sound like a real pleasure to play with.  I hope you find the magic wand and comp to gain those ever elusive few more yards. 

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:titelist-small: TSi1 Aldila Ascent 40G shaft

:titelist-small: TSi2 18 FW with GD AD IZ 6 Shaft

:titelist-small: TSi1 20 and 23 degree hybrids Aldila Ascent Shafts R

:titelist-small: T300 5-P Tensei  R flex shaft 1/4 long 

:titelist-small: SM8 48F/54/58 D Grinds 

:ping-small: Tyne 4 

:titelist-small: ProV1X Play number 12

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Great thread @Bobbers lots of good discussion and information from many similar specs golfers.  As someone is younger than most thst posted 62, but the same swing speed 85, I can relate to a lot of the info shared. 
 

You sound like a real pleasure to play with.  I hope you find the magic wand and comp to gain those ever elusive few more yards. 

Is interesting thread especially when Seniors can get involved.  
Yes Rob the TSi2 is still entrenched in my bag and not going anywhere.  

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Rick

 

 

Left Hand, 

Driver; Titleist TSi2, Kuro Kage 50 gr R2

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous Vista Pro R2

Irons; Ping G710 6-GW, Recoil 460 R2

Wedges; Titleist S9 54*

Putter; Waaay too many to list

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29 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Great thread @Bobbers lots of good discussion and information from many similar specs golfers.  As someone is younger than most thst posted 62, but the same swing speed 85, I can relate to a lot of the info shared. 
 

You sound like a real pleasure to play with.  I hope you find the magic wand and comp to gain those ever elusive few more yards. 

As they say, "from your lips to God's ear"...thanks for the encouragement.  Been at this game for over 55 years, still fascinates and frustrates with the occasional moments of pure joy and exultation.

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PXG 0211  12*  Paderson Kinetixx A flex

PXG 0211 5 and 7 Woods  Paderson Kinetixx A Flex

PXG 0211 5 and 5 Hybrids  MMT A Flex

Cobra 7 Hybrid  A Flex

PXG 8,9,PW,GW Vista Pro A Flex

Cleveland CBX 54/12

Cobra Vintage Nova 33"

 

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On 4/1/2022 at 11:48 AM, chisag said:

Just keep in mind where you live and play also makes a big difference. Most midwest courses are soft and carry is king. Phoenix is very firm and I see seniors hit low trajectories off the tee that roll up to 100 yds, especially level or uphill.

Also at what time of day you play. I live and play in the greater Phoenix area on the west side. We play early in the morning all year and the fairways are always soaked, so carry is still king. In the summer, we do play in the afternoon, and we do get the roll, which is enlightening. Who wouldn't play in 100 degree "dry" heat for $15 and the roll off the tee as a bonus?

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