Addicted2Golf Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 "The tournament is the eight wonder of the world. I watch it every year, but it's not a great golf course. Never was a great golf course. It's a great venue, it's got a tremendous amount of history, but as far as a great golf course, it is not." - Lee Trevino, 2009 Do you agree or disagree and why? Callaway FT-9 Driver 10.5* Grafalloy Prolaunch Axis Blue Callaway FT-9 Driver 9.0* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum Cobra Baffler Rail F Fairway 15.5* Fujikura Motore Wilson FYbrid 19* UST Proforce AXIV Core Cobra Baffler Rail H Hybrid 22* Fujikura Motore Ping I15 Irons 5-UW AWT Ping Tour-W 56*,60* DG Spinner Ping Redwood ZB Putter, WRX Starshot, 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewG Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Great pullout Masters Preview in this months Golf World, with Lee Westwood's (and ex-Seve) caddie taking us through his yardage book hole by hole. Looks an amazing course to me - with what look like some of the toughest greens out there... I'm not really bothered about whether the players think its a great course, just about whether its a great tourney to watch - which for me, it always has been... Current Handicap (UK) 13.1 Current Bag Cobra S9.1 10.5 + 3W Cobra SZ 3I-9I, PW, GW Vokey 52 & 60 Rife 400 Series Half Mallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarry Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Looks amazing, the grounds crew it top notch, it's the Super Bowl of Golf, but a lot of players say it's not a great course. I would love to hear from Pros what they think is a great course. John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saternus Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Having never played (one day...one day), I don't know that I can fairly say if it's a great course. I think that for any mortal it would probably be pretty hard to separate the course from the aura of Augusta. I know that if I played there I would be thinking about all the shots I've seen played on various holes as I'm going along, and mainly thinking, "Holy &$^, I'm at Augusta." I doubt I would be critiquing bunker placement. Follow me on Twitter: @MattSaternus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted2Golf Posted March 12, 2010 Author Share Posted March 12, 2010 Looks amazing, the grounds crew it top notch, it's the Super Bowl of Golf, but a lot of players say it's not a great course. I would love to hear from Pros what they think is a great course. According to Golf Magazine, Trevino elaborated saying that the course was biased towards players that like to draw the ball because of the number of dogleg-left holes. He said cut/fade specialists were always working away from the greens, which made the course play longer. Callaway FT-9 Driver 10.5* Grafalloy Prolaunch Axis Blue Callaway FT-9 Driver 9.0* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum Cobra Baffler Rail F Fairway 15.5* Fujikura Motore Wilson FYbrid 19* UST Proforce AXIV Core Cobra Baffler Rail H Hybrid 22* Fujikura Motore Ping I15 Irons 5-UW AWT Ping Tour-W 56*,60* DG Spinner Ping Redwood ZB Putter, WRX Starshot, 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeves Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 well... 'The Masters' isn't a golf course, lol. But, I can see where Trevino is coming from. Great course design utilizes existing topography to establish a balanced course. So it may be true that it is not all that balanced. But, no one can argue with the way the course is consistently set up and the venue itself. It is also difficult for us judge, considering many of us have never seen it in person. I know several people who have attended and they all say that TV really doesn't do the course justice. I also don't know anyone who has ever actually played it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Wow.. Augusta National not a great course. Hmmmmmm. I might disagree with him on that. That course used to be setup for some of the greatest finishes in tournament golf. How can you argue with that?? Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 12, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 12, 2010 I think that if players get mad at it, it may be a great course. Funny that people do catch a load of flack if they say it is bad. One of the mags listed the journalists and players who had issues with the Augusta folk after complaining. Can't blame the track if it doesn't match your game though. Car drivers who only turn right would be angry at Nascar. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moecat Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Trevino also may be biased because he was not a fan of - and wasn't shy to declare it - Augusta National's ... shall we say ... "overly conservative" tendencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 12, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 12, 2010 Trevino also may be biased because he was not a fan of - and wasn't shy to declare it - Augusta National's ... shall we say ... "overly conservative" tendencies. That was very diplomatic. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moecat Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 That was very diplomatic. Mods are not above the MGS Moral Codes http://forum.mygolfspy.com/index.php?app=forums&module=extras§ion=boardrules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 12, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 12, 2010 Plus, you don't want to find Moecat on the do not admit list at the gate when you get to Augusta National. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarry Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I would love to see a PGA in PR, Teeth of the Dog, or Hair of the Dog, which ever it is called, the most breat taking course I have ever seen pictures of. John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp4455 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Anyone who has spent any time with Trevino knows the man has "issues". I take whatever he says with a grain of salt. Semper Fi My Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I guess when you play somewhere as much as Trevino has, no matter how good the course, you get a little tired of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saternus Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 According to Golf Magazine, Trevino elaborated saying that the course was biased towards players that like to draw the ball because of the number of dogleg-left holes. He said cut/fade specialists were always working away from the greens, which made the course play longer. I remember reading that now. I guess that's a fair comment - a course ought to have some balance between favoring fades and draws. It is interesting how Augusta seems to be beyond reproach for most golfers. The aura is tremendous. Follow me on Twitter: @MattSaternus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGage Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I think it's a great course, but I liked it better when there was no rough...as it was originally intended. I don't mind changes...but I'd like them to be in the spirit of the original design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted2Golf Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 Plus, you don't want to find Moecat on the do not admit list at the gate when you get to Augusta National. Truly. That would be like getting turned away at the Pearly Gates because you used the big guy's name in vain. Callaway FT-9 Driver 10.5* Grafalloy Prolaunch Axis Blue Callaway FT-9 Driver 9.0* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum Cobra Baffler Rail F Fairway 15.5* Fujikura Motore Wilson FYbrid 19* UST Proforce AXIV Core Cobra Baffler Rail H Hybrid 22* Fujikura Motore Ping I15 Irons 5-UW AWT Ping Tour-W 56*,60* DG Spinner Ping Redwood ZB Putter, WRX Starshot, 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted2Golf Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 Anyone who has spent any time with Trevino knows the man has "issues". I take whatever he says with a grain of salt. I have "issues". Do you take everything I say with a grain of salt? Callaway FT-9 Driver 10.5* Grafalloy Prolaunch Axis Blue Callaway FT-9 Driver 9.0* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum Cobra Baffler Rail F Fairway 15.5* Fujikura Motore Wilson FYbrid 19* UST Proforce AXIV Core Cobra Baffler Rail H Hybrid 22* Fujikura Motore Ping I15 Irons 5-UW AWT Ping Tour-W 56*,60* DG Spinner Ping Redwood ZB Putter, WRX Starshot, 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I think it's a great course, but I liked it better when there was no rough...as it was originally intended. I don't mind changes...but I'd like them to be in the spirit of the original design. I think the pinestraw and trees make the rough tough enough. I think the players actually look forward to one big tournament without huge rough. I know I would look forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGage Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I have "issues". Do you take everything I say with a grain of salt? The older I get, the more I think everyone has "issues". Oh, and most doctors recommend to lay off the salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jballmn Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 The older I get, the more I think everyone has "issues". +1. I would agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarry Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I think just the condition of the course makes me think of it as a great track, plus Amen Corner. Everyone golfer wants a shot at it. John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWShoot67 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 According to Golf Magazine, Trevino elaborated saying that the course was biased towards players that like to draw the ball because of the number of dogleg-left holes. He said cut/fade specialists were always working away from the greens, which made the course play longer. Well when Tiger played it in 97 he was playing a fade and his record breaking score wasn't impeded by his fade ball. I think what happens and its only natural players that play well at certain course say that course is great, and players that don't fair so well usually are critical of that said course. The Bag: Right handed Cobra King FLYZ+ 10.5* w/ Aldila Rogue 125 R 44.5" Tour Issued TM M2 10.5 w/ Mitsubishi Tensi CK Pro Blue 60S Tour Issued TM M2 15* w/ GD Tour AD 7S 43" TM R7 17.5 HFS w/ Tour AD 7S Stiff 42" Cobra S3 Pro's 4-pw w/ Aldila RIP Tours SLT 115 Reg. 5i 38.5" Titleist Vokey Proto's 52*,54*,58* all TTDG S-400 TM TP5 X Scotty Cameron SSS Tiffany 009 350 34.5" or Bettinardi BB1 DASS Proto GHIN # 5144472 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moecat Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 The older I get, the more I think everyone has "issues". In addition to that, anyone who gets struck by lightning - literally - would have issues http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Trevino_Lee.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 To all those who don't think Augusta National is a great golf course, if someone was able to get you on, with free airfare, would yo play it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambles Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Lee Trevino skipped out on a number of Masters because he had issues with the club. When he was finally persuaded ( forced ) to play it by his sponsors he made it a point to refrain from using the locker room and changed his shoes in the parking lot in his car. I think he even brought his own sandwiches. When the chairman of the Masters sent out an emissary to invite Trevino to his office for " coffee ", Lee replied that he didn't like coffee. I like that Trevino. He can really get a mad on. Shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 17, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 17, 2010 Lee Trevino skipped out on a number of Masters because he had issues with the club. When he was finally persuaded ( forced ) to play it by his sponsors he made it a point to refrain from using the locker room and changed his shoes in the parking lot in his car. I think he even brought his own sandwiches. When the chairman of the Masters sent out an emissary to invite Trevino to his office for " coffee ", Lee replied that he didn't like coffee. I like that Trevino. He can really get a mad on. Shambles A man with convictions is to be admired, but I would have taken the locker and the coffee. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Lee Trevino skipped out on a number of Masters because he had issues with the club. When he was finally persuaded ( forced ) to play it by his sponsors he made it a point to refrain from using the locker room and changed his shoes in the parking lot in his car. I think he even brought his own sandwiches. When the chairman of the Masters sent out an emissary to invite Trevino to his office for " coffee ", Lee replied that he didn't like coffee. I like that Trevino. He can really get a mad on. Shambles I don't really know much about Trevino and skipping the Masters, did it have something to do with them not letting in African-Americans because Trevino was himself a minority? Or was it just normal gripes with the people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarry Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Could be both, and I agree, if he was sticking to his guns, more power to him. I couldn't pass up playing there, that's for sure. John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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