Popular Post GolfSpy AFG Posted April 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2022 With speed training all the rage, and the emergence of more and more alternatives to use for speed training, I thought it might be beneficial to some if I shared my own thoughts and feedback having now completed protocols with both the SuperSpeed system and the Stack System. If you're looking for an official or unofficial review of either, I'll touch on some very top-level basics, but quality reviews have already been accomplished for both. You can access the official review thread for SuperSpeed here: And, @dlow206started an excellent unofficial review of The Stack that's become a robust progress thread from other users: Rather than re-hash these two excellent threads, I thought I'd share my thoughts on each in the event someone is considering speed training, or perhaps transitioning from one to the other. (NOTE: there are other speed training devices out there, and I'm not suggesting that they're inferior to these two. I'm simply sharing my experiences in the event the insights can help someone.) SuperSpeed As a very basic overview, SuperSpeed is a program consisting of three weighted sticks, light (green), blue (medium), and green (heavy), and 5 protocols available on the SuperSpeed website. A fourth stick, the SuperSpeed C Club, is counterbalanced and is intended to focus on arm & hand speed and has its own dedicated protocols. Each protocol takes you through a series of normal swings, double step swings, heel stomp swings, or other variations intended to help you generate increased speeds that will ultimately help you take the governor off your swing and pick up clubhead speed. It works. I kept copious notes and records, from the beginning of Level 1 through Level 3 (as far as I got with SuperSpeed). Here's my Level 1 progress: I know that's an eye chart, especially if you're on your phone, but the bottom line is an overall 16 mph gain in max out swings with the green stick in Level 1 alone. Level 2, more of the same: Another 16 mph gain in Level 2. In level 3, I'll summarize (and save you the eye chart), by saying I saw more level trendlines and never surpassed the 137 max out I saw in Level 2. SuperSpeed C training was more of the same, with speeds occasionally touching 145. In aggregate, I saw a 23 mph gain in max out green stick swings from the beginning of Level 1 to the end of Level 3, and while I can't quantify with a chart, I definitely saw it on the course. However, sensing a training plateau, and being HIGHLY intrigued by the concepts behind The Stack, I spent the $350 ($150 more than SuperSpeed) and risked marital harmony, and took the plunge. The Stack The Stack is one stick with interchangeable weights that are attached to the end, providing an incredible range of weights that the Stack employs to tailor the training to the golfer. As co-founder Sasho MacKenzie explains, with the Stack system the variable in the training is not the weight, it's the percentage of speed. More on that in a minute. The Stack also works, and works well. Having just completed my first program (18 sessions on the introductory program), here are my results: As you can see, I saw significant jumps in stack speeds, driver distance potential, and overall speeds using The Stack, even after considerable time spent with SuperSpeed protocols. Frankly, I expected the law of diminishing returns to kick in and not see big gains, but I did nevertheless, with a slight caveat that I'll discuss in a moment. Conclusions and Thoughts 1) They both work. The Stack works better, largely due to a more sound training philosophy. Hear me out. Imagine you and I both decided we both wanted to build our best beach bodies ever, but while I'm 5'9 185, you might be 5'7 160, or 6'3 and 250. If we both wanted to operate in the ideal rep ranges for muscle size in the gym, wouldn't it be silly for us to all grab dumbbells and do a set with 60s, a set with 70s, and a set with 80s? Obviously, each of us is capable of different rates of force production, so we should be using different weights, and we'll respond to and recover from that work differently. Well, it works, but that's kind of what SuperSpeed is...a one size fits all prescription that will work, but is probably not optimized specifically for you. THIS is where The Stack shines, because it's so much more than a weighted stick. The Stack is supported by an AI-powered training app, based on Sasho Mackenzie's training protocols and prescriptions, that constantly re-formulates your next training session based on your previous performance, and the ability to change and manipulate the weights allows a level of optimization of training that SuperSpeed just can't provide. 2) Don't buy either if you're not going to use a radar. For one, The Stack app literally doesn't work without it...it even asks you to specify the radar you're using. With SuperSpeed, sure, you can do the protocols without knowing how fast you're actually swinging, but as anyone who has done speed training will tell you, you NEED that feedback to keep you motivated and to help you understand what movements help you to generate more speed. 3) That SuperSpeed is 3 sticks and The Stack is one stick so it must be more convenient is a silly argument, from my perspective. I'm no more inconvenienced by 3 sticks as I am by one stick and a little case with some weights. Sorry if I seem crass, but I've heard this one and that just wasn't a concern from me. If you're going to spend $150 more (or shell out a new $350 like I did) for The Stack, do it for the AI. 4) The caveat with The Stack that I mentioned? You're asked to baseline your training with "full" swings which are basically your game speed driver swings, then the app later prompts you to make max effort swings, so the baseline numbers aren't necessarily indicative of your max effort at the beginning of the program. 5) Worth it? I can't answer that one for you...I'm a fanatic about getting better, but I can't speak to your level of fanaticism. As I've said, they both work, so if you can only pop for the $200 SuperSpeed sticks, you're still going to see gains so good on you. If you truly want to squeeze every ounce of mph gains out of your body that you can, The Stack is the way to go. I know this was very long, but hopefully helpful, and I'm happy to answer any questions I can. GolfSpy_APH, Kenny B, edingc and 17 others 16 2 2 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 First, thanks for a nice comparison. I have some questions: Are you seeing actual gains while using Stack? How many times a week are the protocols and how many swings in each protocol? Is there a way to do maintenance with it? Which is harder on your body, in your opinion. edingc, JohnSmalls, tony@CIC and 2 others 5 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 hour ago, revkev said: First, thanks for a nice comparison. I have some questions: Are you seeing actual gains while using Stack? How many times a week are the protocols and how many swings in each protocol? Is there a way to do maintenance with it? Which is harder on your body, in your opinion. That’s a great first question. I am seeing actual gains in my ability to swing the Stack faster, but this has been entirely off-season, so I don’t have a good answer for you as far as “on the course”…I’ll provide that update here later when I have a sample size worth reporting on. The protocols are basically 3 times a week; the app tells you when to do your next workout and you can set it to push you reminders. The first few sessions were very low volume but once I got into the meat of Foundations (the first program) it was never more than 28 swings. For instance, my very last workout was 8 swings at 255 grams, 2 sets of 8 swings at 75 grams, followed by 4 swings at 195 grams. I found SuperSpeed harder on the body for a number of reasons. 1). Generally a higher volume of total swings; 2) Non-dominant swings, which I know SuperSpeed swears by but The Stack doesn’t prescribe at all (which is interesting given The Stack was invented by the world’s foremost golf biomechanist), and 3) the Stack app times each rep and counts down for you so you’re taking the proper rest between swings, whereas the SuperSpeed protocol videos seem to want you to just bang them out. As to maintenance, yes, there is a program called Cruiser built for that purpose. Here’s a screenshot and a link if you want to read up on all of the programs: https://www.thestacksystem.com/pages/protocols cksurfdude, JohnSmalls, tony@CIC and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Excellent - Thanks! GolfSpy AFG 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pakman92 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Nice review. What swing speed radar do you use? I've using "Swing Speed Radar" by Sports Sensors which I bought with Super Speed sticks. I find it having too many misreads and have gave up on it. (Not on the training). I wish I had instant feedback. I do hit balls daily on a LM, so I've been tracking club speed/ball speed increases that way. Just not during the speed training itself. I would love a reliable swing speed radar. GolfSpy AFG, edingc, tony@CIC and 1 other 4 Quote Epic Max LS 11.5° (10.5°+1) w/ Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 6 stiff Epic Flash 3 Wood 17° (15°+2) w/ Project X Even Flow Green 60 stiff Super Hybrid 21° (20°+1) w/ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 80 stiff Rogue Hybrid 5 (24°) w/ Aldila Synergy 60 HYB Graphite stiff 2021 P790 Irons 5-AW (1° flat, weakened lofts) w/ Aerotech Steelfiber i95 cw regular CBX2 Wedges 54°, 58° w/ True Temper DG 115 Wedge flex Odyssey White Hot OG #1 Stroke Lab, 33 in Pro V1 Bushnell Launch Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, pakman92 said: Nice review. What swing speed radar do you use? I've using "Swing Speed Radar" by Sports Sensors which I bought with Super Speed sticks. I find it having too many misreads and have gave up on it. (Not on the training). I wish I had instant feedback. I do hit balls daily on a LM, so I've been tracking club speed/ball speed increases that way. Just not during the speed training itself. I would love a reliable swing speed radar. I have the VoiceCaddie SC200+. I used to use the Sports Sensors radar but upgraded. I actually messaged The Stack team concerning this and was advised that they’ll both work fine, as will the PRGR and others, but was advised the SC200+ was significantly more accurate. edingc, cksurfdude, JohnSmalls and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Hayes this is awesome man! Thanks for doing this comparison. I am a SuperSpeed user and believer. But you've highlighted a very good argument for the Stack system with the AI app. I don't think I realized it was that built out for recommending changes to the program and helping you during the sessions themselves. An app to track the data is the one thing I wish SuperSpeed would have. I have charts like you showed that I made in excel to track my workout progress and it's sort of a pain in the rear to remember, write them down between sessions, and then go transcribe them into a tracking sheet and try to review them. I like that The Stack app gives you the visuals (after you still input the data, that can't be defeated easily) and can recommend changes to the program based on your results. Really cool! Looking forward to seeing your progress with both and further comparison between the two. cksurfdude, edingc, GolfSpy AFG and 3 others 6 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 49 minutes ago, GolfSpy_BOS said: Hayes this is awesome man! Thanks for doing this comparison. I am a SuperSpeed user and believer. But you've highlighted a very good argument for the Stack system with the AI app. I don't think I realized it was that built out for recommending changes to the program and helping you during the sessions themselves. An app to track the data is the one thing I wish SuperSpeed would have. I have charts like you showed that I made in excel to track my workout progress and it's sort of a pain in the rear to remember, write them down between sessions, and then go transcribe them into a tracking sheet and try to review them. I like that The Stack app gives you the visuals (after you still input the data, that can't be defeated easily) and can recommend changes to the program based on your results. Really cool! Looking forward to seeing your progress with both and further comparison between the two. Data entry is easy with the stack app. You speak the swing speed number to your cell phone and it logs it for you after each swing. As another person who used SuperSpeed (built DIY sticks) and own the Stack. I consider the cost as mostly paying for the software - evolving routines (I didn't even know the Cruiser and Flex programs were added), data collection and trending. As well as supporting the research of the creator who is continuing to tweak existing programs and create new ones based on the data from thousands of Stack users as they complete programs. You are essentially being trained with customized programs by the most experienced researcher in golf biomechanics who is a former track and field competitor and +2 handicap. Other than the SuperSpeed C club, I don't think their routines have ever changed or expanded since they were created. I received a call from Sasho and spent 30 minutes on the phone with him one night discussing my results, launch monitors, and potential issues with the software. I doubt you will receive comparable levels of customer service with any other speed training system. tony@CIC, JohnSmalls, GolfSpy AFG and 4 others 7 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 hour ago, GolfSpy_BOS said: Hayes this is awesome man! Thanks for doing this comparison. I am a SuperSpeed user and believer. But you've highlighted a very good argument for the Stack system with the AI app. I don't think I realized it was that built out for recommending changes to the program and helping you during the sessions themselves. An app to track the data is the one thing I wish SuperSpeed would have. I have charts like you showed that I made in excel to track my workout progress and it's sort of a pain in the rear to remember, write them down between sessions, and then go transcribe them into a tracking sheet and try to review them. I like that The Stack app gives you the visuals (after you still input the data, that can't be defeated easily) and can recommend changes to the program based on your results. Really cool! Looking forward to seeing your progress with both and further comparison between the two. @BMart519just covered it, but the voice dictation capability of the app is great. As much as I miss nerding out with my spreadsheet sometimes, the ease of data entry can’t be beat. I use an SC200+ and I’ve actually had the app pick up the voice narration from the radar…I never had to say a word. And yea, the customer service and responsiveness is great..I’ve DM’d via IG countless times with questions and feedback and always get thorough and rapid responses. cksurfdude, Vegan_Golfer_PNW, edingc and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 You guys got me thinking. I'm way more interested in The Stack now than I was before this comparison. If I'm able to find one used, any issues with using the app? Do you need a code for registration or anything? tony@CIC, edingc, cksurfdude and 2 others 5 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, GolfSpy_BOS said: You guys got me thinking. I'm way more interested in The Stack now than I was before this comparison. If I'm able to find one used, any issues with using the app? Do you need a code for registration or anything? You download the app from the App Store like any other, but to unlock it, the code is the serial number of your stick, imprinted where the weights go. Glad this has helped; keep me/us posted! tony@CIC, GolfSpy BOS, JohnSmalls and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 I have an Orange Whip LightSpeed which I honestly have not used all that much.... Been focusing on more fundamental / foundational aspects of improving my swing (lessons + practice) before I get too deep into speed training .. but when I do get to that point gonna keep Stack in mind .. good info, thx! tony@CIC and GolfSpy AFG 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Thank you very much for the review @Getoffmylawn. Certainly some intriguing information! I really like the idea of the workout being tailored to you personally. 21 hours ago, BMart519 said: Other than the SuperSpeed C club, I don't think their routines have ever changed or expanded since they were created. There actually have been some tweaks to the routines for SuperSpeed - no more kneeling swings and reduced number of swings in later protocols. There might be other changes, but these were the most obvious to me at first glance. To access the updated protocols, you now need to register at train.superspeed.com. cksurfdude, JohnSmalls and GolfSpy AFG 3 Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/13/2022 at 8:16 AM, MaxEntropy said: Thank you very much for the review @Getoffmylawn. Certainly some intriguing information! I really like the idea of the workout being tailored to you personally. There actually have been some tweaks to the routines for SuperSpeed - no more kneeling swings and reduced number of swings in later protocols. There might be other changes, but these were the most obvious to me at first glance. To access the updated protocols, you now need to register at train.superspeed.com. That’s true, the protocols did change some, to include less overall swings and some new types of swings. They’re still adamant about non-dominant stuff, which is interesting to say the least. I should say, I’ve also found SuperSpeed to be very responsive and customer-friendly when I’ve contacted them with questions. They have a great product, I just happen to believe The Stack is better. Kind of a Chevy vs Cadillac dynamic… cksurfdude, ejgaudette, JohnSmalls and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said: They’re still adamant about non-dominant stuff, which is interesting to say the least. I have mixed feelings about the non-dominant and most of the time feel really awkward doing them, but at least it seems logical to me from the standpoint of it being more balanced on the body. cksurfdude, JohnSmalls and GolfSpy AFG 3 Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said: Kind of a Chevy be Cadillac dynamic… I think this is the right analogy and one is likely to make gains with both but from a features and likely effectiveness stand point the Stack is a step above. Thanks for sharing the comparisons between the too systems and hope you start bombing it on the course soon. cksurfdude, GolfSpy AFG, edingc and 1 other 4 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 (edited) On 4/13/2022 at 9:48 AM, MaxEntropy said: I have mixed feelings about the non-dominant and most of the time feel really awkward doing them, but at least it seems logical to me from the standpoint of it being more balanced on the body. I agree with this - it makes sense logically to me as well. I just wonder about the number of swings that SS calls for both dominant and non-dominant. It doesn’t make sense to me that a 65 year old male would find the greatest benefit from the same program as a 25 year old professional athlete. Edited April 26, 2022 by revkev I have fumble fingers MaxEntropy, JohnSmalls, ejgaudette and 2 others 5 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted April 26, 2022 Author Share Posted April 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, revkev said: I agree with this - it makes sense igicallybto me as well. I just wonder about the number of swings that SS calls for both dominant and non-dominant. It doesn’t make sense to me that a 65 year old male would find the greatest benefit from the same program as a 25 year old professional athlete. EXACTLY. Good training but certainly not optimized per individual, and even after the protocol revisions they still seem pretty high volume revkev, cksurfdude, edingc and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Alright - I made a deal on a used Stack System (thanks golfspy_cg2). It should be arriving Monday which is perfect as we are about to have our fist week of 90 degree/70 percent humidity weather this year. I'm anxious to give this a whirl - Looking back over my records from pre-Super Speed days I've retained nearly a 10 mph increase in driver SS. I'd love to pick up 5 mph more over the course of the summer (which is my offseason BTW). Let the fun begin. cksurfdude, cnosil and GolfSpy AFG 3 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I have a Superspeed set I haven't started using yet, but after reading this I'm very intrigued by the stack system. Not so much for the protocols but more for the app and ease of use. So went and tweeted at Superspeed about an app and they actually replied and said they are working on it. It'd be very nice to just watch a quick video, then repeat it in real life and enter input numbers as I go. Hopefully it comes out soon. cksurfdude and GolfSpy AFG 2 Quote Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted May 1, 2022 Author Share Posted May 1, 2022 12 hours ago, revkev said: Alright - I made a deal on a used Stack System (thanks golfspy_cg2). It should be arriving Monday which is perfect as we are about to have our fist week of 90 degree/70 percent humidity weather this year. I'm anxious to give this a whirl - Looking back over my records from pre-Super Speed days I've retained nearly a 10 mph increase in driver SS. I'd love to pick up 5 mph more over the course of the summer (which is my offseason BTW). Let the fun begin. Awesome; excited to hear your feedback. revkev and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted May 1, 2022 Author Share Posted May 1, 2022 9 hours ago, hckymeyer said: I have a Superspeed set I haven't started using yet, but after reading this I'm very intrigued by the stack system. Not so much for the protocols but more for the app and ease of use. So went and tweeted at Superspeed about an app and they actually replied and said they are working on it. It'd be very nice to just watch a quick video, then repeat it in real life and enter input numbers as I go. Hopefully it comes out soon. Now THAT is an interesting development…wondering if a SuperSpeed app will be strictly for logging workouts and tracking progress, or if it will try to mirror the Stack concept and allow for tailoring of protocols? Of course they’re limited in their ability to tailor given that the weight of the sticks are fixed, but sets & reps could be adjusted I guess. revkev and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I've received mine and will be doing my initial session tomorrow - it's been a very busy week - my golf team has its last match this afternoon - at my club of all places. Should be fun. GolfSpy AFG and cksurfdude 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Okay completed my baseline test today. A couple of observations. I messed up and made the first 10 swings with the 195 grams of weight on. I hope that doesn’t mess me up too much in regards to the start of my program. It ended up being right about my normal average driver swing speed but I’m normally faster than my average speed with dry driver swings. My potential distance was a ridiculous 280 - have any of you regular stack users found the actual correlation between that number and your actual driver distance? It was fun. I liked not having to swing lefty although I did in my warm up. I still will do sone opposite side swings because I think they are helpful. GolfSpy AFG and cksurfdude 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share Posted May 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, revkev said: Okay completed my baseline test today. A couple of observations. I messed up and made the first 10 swings with the 195 grams of weight on. I hope that doesn’t mess me up too much in regards to the start of my program. It ended up being right about my normal average driver swing speed but I’m normally faster than my average speed with dry driver swings. My potential distance was a ridiculous 280 - have any of you regular stack users found the actual correlation between that number and your actual driver distance? It was fun. I liked not having to swing lefty although I did in my warm up. I still will do sone opposite side swings because I think they are helpful. I don't have any real rounds under my belt, but I had a potential distance of 344 at one point, and I can tell you I ain't sniffing 344. That said, I understand that number to reflect your distance potential if you achieved optimum launch conditions (spin, launch angle) in an optimum environment (wind, temps, etc.). revkev and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I feel pretty good today after doing the baseline. Definitely better than the day after a superspeed workout. I think the description of and demonstration of what they mean by full effort swing is extremely helpful. I tried to think of hitting it as hard as possible on number 10 at my club. Big fairway, big par 5, the only issue is a pot bunker which I can carry so long as I catch my drive solidly. cksurfdude and GolfSpy AFG 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySP Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I did superspeed for about 8 months and recently started using the stack. I took notes in a notebook and transferred some of it to a google spreadsheet. I’m not a statistician, but it seemed to me that I made marginal gains, but they were inconsistant, and it didn’t transfer to the course that often. (Well that or my own internal bias of driver distance gets in the way.) I can try to download the data for anyone who wants to see. After going on with the Stack, it’s hard to describe but I feel much ‘stronger’ with my driver right now, even just 7 sessions in. I think there is something to the heavy and light swings together that I was missing when a majority of my effort was with the lighter sticks. I’ve had a few drives this season that we’re already big for me and I’ve only gotten out three times. I’m excited to see the longevity of the stack system cksurfdude and GolfSpy AFG 2 Quote g430 lst TS2 20* hybrid, New Level PF-2: P-7; 902: 6-5 hi-toe 51* and 57* M Craft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, AndySP said: I did superspeed for about 8 months and recently started using the stack. I took notes in a notebook and transferred some of it to a google spreadsheet. I’m not a statistician, but it seemed to me that I made marginal gains, but they were inconsistant, and it didn’t transfer to the course that often. (Well that or my own internal bias of driver distance gets in the way.) I can try to download the data for anyone who wants to see. After going on with the Stack, it’s hard to describe but I feel much ‘stronger’ with my driver right now, even just 7 sessions in. I think there is something to the heavy and light swings together that I was missing when a majority of my effort was with the lighter sticks. I’ve had a few drives this season that we’re already big for me and I’ve only gotten out three times. I’m excited to see the longevity of the stack system Thanks - I did see noticeable gains from SuoerSpeed but I was also a part of the original test group. Some of that gain stuck once I stopped and it got most if not all of what I had after 26 weeks back when I started up again last year. But it seems as if I’ve hit a peak and the number of swings necessary is really rough on my old body. I noticed that my first STAK protocol calls for about 18 swings of varying weights. I can handle that way better than the 50 plus swings in the more advanced superspeed protocols. Or at least I think that I will be able to cksurfdude and GolfSpy AFG 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 18 hours ago, revkev said: Okay completed my baseline test today. A couple of observations. I messed up and made the first 10 swings with the 195 grams of weight on. I hope that doesn’t mess me up too much in regards to the start of my program. It ended up being right about my normal average driver swing speed but I’m normally faster than my average speed with dry driver swings. My potential distance was a ridiculous 280 - have any of you regular stack users found the actual correlation between that number and your actual driver distance? It was fun. I liked not having to swing lefty although I did in my warm up. I still will do sone opposite side swings because I think they are helpful. My Stack distance potential is 325 and Shot Scope P AVG with driver of 282 from last half of season. I did hit the most drives over 300 yards ever last year on course, including 8 over 320. I admit most were helped by either downwind, elevation change, firm conditions, and on at least 1 occasion - cart path. 2 weeks ago I hit a drive on GC Quad in neutral conditions (flat, no wind) that crossed 300 yards. It was 2100 rpm back spin at 157 mph ball speed (around 105 club). IMO the potential distance is overstated by 25-30 yards MINIMUM and represents hitting a high launch low spin drive on medium - firm conditions. But, this is due to the fact it is using your swing speed without a ball which is often 6-7 MPH faster than hitting a ball. If I was magically able to hit a ball at 111-112 MPH, I'm sure I would hit a lot of 320 yard drives at 3500 ft elevation in dry conditions. But its impossible for any golfer to match their max swing speed with a ball compared to without which is what Stack measures. revkev, cksurfdude and GolfSpy AFG 3 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, BMart519 said: My Stack distance potential is 325 and Shot Scope P AVG with driver of 282 from last half of season. I did hit the most drives over 300 yards ever last year on course, including 8 over 320. I admit most were helped by either downwind, elevation change, firm conditions, and on at least 1 occasion - cart path. 2 weeks ago I hit a drive on GC Quad in neutral conditions (flat, no wind) that crossed 300 yards. It was 2100 rpm back spin at 157 mph ball speed (around 105 club). IMO the potential distance is overstated by 25-30 yards MINIMUM and represents hitting a high launch low spin drive on medium - firm conditions. But, this is due to the fact it is using your swing speed without a ball which is often 6-7 MPH faster than hitting a ball. If I was magically able to hit a ball at 111-112 MPH, I'm sure I would hit a lot of 320 yard drives at 3500 ft elevation in dry conditions. But its impossible for any golfer to match their max swing speed with a ball compared to without which is what Stack measures. That makes perfect sense - throw in that I’m at sea level in wet conditions cksurfdude and GolfSpy AFG 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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