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After being out on the range the other week, I was reviewing my yardages for each club and I noticed that I get about 100 yards off a full swing with both my pitching wedge, Mizuno JPX 900 45°, and my gap wedge, Cleveland CBX2 50°. I used to get a about 80 yards with my 50° before, but something’s changed.

I’m not sure what to do with this information. Were you me, would you want to correct this by making a club change or adjustment, would you make a swing adjustment, or would you just play on, making your PW your 100 yard club and using a 3/4 swing to make your GW a 75-80 yard club? Or would you do something else?

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4 hours ago, berkeleybob said:

After being out on the range the other week, I was reviewing my yardages for each club and I noticed that I get about 100 yards off a full swing with both my pitching wedge, Mizuno JPX 900 45°, and my gap wedge, Cleveland CBX2 50°. I used to get a about 80 yards with my 50° before, but something’s changed.

I’m not sure what to do with this information. Were you me, would you want to correct this by making a club change or adjustment, would you make a swing adjustment, or would you just play on, making your PW your 100 yard club and using a 3/4 swing to make your GW a 75-80 yard club? Or would you do something else?

I don’t know what you have in the bag after the 50.   What are you club gappings for the clubs prior to and after the clubs you mentioned.   
 

as far as thought process….some people never full swing some of their wedges so the 3/4 swing might be acceptable.  Maybe you gap we’ve got bent stronger so you are hitting it farther so getting it fixed might be an option.   If the club below the 50 fits nicely, maybe remove the 50 and fill another gap.  
 

basically need more information to give you recommendations without asking questions.  

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I'd double check that they are actually going the same distance and that the lofts are actually what they're stated to be. With what's meant to be 5° of loft difference, for them to go the same distance needs further investigation before you make any purchases.

 

  1. Perhaps get someone to check the lofts. The gap might not be 5°.
  2. Also see if you can get a launch monitor with the balls you use to see they actually go the same distance.

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5 hours ago, berkeleybob said:

After being out on the range the other week, I was reviewing my yardages for each club and I noticed that I get about 100 yards off a full swing with both my pitching wedge, Mizuno JPX 900 45°, and my gap wedge, Cleveland CBX2 50°. I used to get a about 80 yards with my 50° before, but something’s changed.

I’m not sure what to do with this information. Were you me, would you want to correct this by making a club change or adjustment, would you make a swing adjustment, or would you just play on, making your PW your 100 yard club and using a 3/4 swing to make your GW a 75-80 yard club? Or would you do something else?

I would go to a course or field and mark off that yardage, mark balls to indicate which one came from pw and gw, then hit balls to that target and verify what you are seeing is true.

If so then have the lofts checked on your clubs to very they are what they are supposed to be.
 

I have several swings with all of my wedges and to an extent my scoring irons. Long and slow, shorter and faster and in between as well as choking down 

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1 hour ago, Blueberry_Squishie said:
  1. Perhaps get someone to check the lofts. The gap might not be 5°

This was my first thought. I have a 46-deg set PW and bought a 52 specialty GW. Stock PW is 125 and thought a 52 should get me close to 100. On the course, my absolute best shots were 90. Took the GW to a guy with a Mitchell machine and he confirmed it was actually 54 degrees. Bent it and suddenly it's a smooth 100 and can be juiced to 110, which is a much more reasonable gap!

If you get the lofts checked and it is a 5-degree gap and you're just not seeing the right yardage gap, I'd either bend one or drop one. You don't need that tight of overlap.

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I agree a lot with the above to get lofts checked. Are shafts the same in both too? Maybe you swing one faster than the other? It wouldn’t be uncommon for the 45* to be a degree or two off and same with wedge. I would definitely check them out and get one fixed because it would be better to have clubs have different stock yardages to give you a more complete gapping. 

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Thanks, folks. That’s a good amount to think about. I went back to my top tracer app too look at my stats, and from what you’re all saying, maybe something did happen to my wedge. I’ll check it on the range one more time, and if I get the same result I’ll check out the wedges and irons’ loft.

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Go to a driving range that has TopTracer. The app allows all the info to go directly to your phone and you can then decide which set up works for you.

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13 hours ago, berkeleybob said:

After being out on the range the other week, I was reviewing my yardages for each club and I noticed that I get about 100 yards off a full swing with both my pitching wedge, Mizuno JPX 900 45°, and my gap wedge, Cleveland CBX2 50°. I used to get a about 80 yards with my 50° before, but something’s changed.

I’m not sure what to do with this information. Were you me, would you want to correct this by making a club change or adjustment, would you make a swing adjustment, or would you just play on, making your PW your 100 yard club and using a 3/4 swing to make your GW a 75-80 yard club? Or would you do something else?

learn to hit different shots with different wedges !

 

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measure the length of both as well.  Some club mfrs make the PW and gap wedge the same length so the loft difference creates a yardage gap, but if you have an older set PW and then a newer specialized gap wedge, it's possible that the gap wedge could be longer than your PW which might explain why they go the same length despite the loft difference.  

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As advised by #Blueberry_Squishie, I'd first validate the lofts on each club (do them all while you're at it) and check the length of each.

Then, get on a launch monitor and confirm:
1.) The distances that you're actually hitting them and the clubs either side of them

2.) The dynamic loft that you're applying to them (if your lofts are correct, it could be that with your 50 degree wedge you are reducing loft at impact through shaft lean)

The last thing to do would be to buy another wedge as you'll have the same issue if you don't know what's going on...

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12 hours ago, HDTVMAN said:

Go to a driving range that has TopTracer. The app allows all the info to go directly to your phone and you can then decide which set up works for you.

Yep, I’ve been using TopTracer to track my clubs. My PW has been a 100 yds at full swing. My 50° has been consistently at around 85 yards. 

I think the next time I’m back at the range, I’ll take some full swings with my gap wedge again and see how it’s doing. But at the moment, I just checked over my club distances, and yes, I’ve got some gap issues showing up now. I have been working on changing my swing, so that might be one of the causes. I might have to find somebody to help me out with a gapping session.

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Do you tend to hit off of mats at the range often? If so, definitely go get your lofts checked. I have mine checked in the spring after playing some indoor golf (necessary up here for 6 months of winter) and the lofts generally need to be all tweaked by then. The shorter irons especially tend to get out of spec quickly for me.

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4 hours ago, TripleB said:

Do you tend to hit off of mats at the range often? If so, definitely go get your lofts checked. I have mine checked in the spring after playing some indoor golf (necessary up here for 6 months of winter) and the lofts generally need to be all tweaked by then. The shorter irons especially tend to get out of spec quickly for me.

That’s a good point. I do hit on the range often. The mats there are pretty good, but none the less, the next time I hit the pro shop, I’ll see about getting lofts on my irons and wedges checked.

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