GF_SGCC99 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I really like my double wide putter and I make consistent contact in the center of the putter face. The only issue is I have trouble squaring the putter through the impact zone, leading to putters starting off line. I have started practicing with a blade putter with more toe hang. While I seem to be starting putts on line much more frequently, I’m finding my strike tends to stray from the center more often. Both putters have the same head weight, length, etc. This is probably a result of my comfort level with my old gamer (the double wide), but it made be wonder which is more desirable in everyone’s opinion: consistency with contact or consistency with squaring the putter face? Hopefully my question makes sense. Quote Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, GF_SGCC99 said: I really like my double wide putter and I make consistent contact in the center of the putter face. The only issue is I have trouble squaring the putter through the impact zone, leading to putters starting off line. I have started practicing with a blade putter with more toe hang. While I seem to be starting putts on line much more frequently, I’m finding my strike tends to stray from the center more often. Both putters have the same head weight, length, etc. This is probably a result of my comfort level with my old gamer (the double wide), but it made be wonder which is more desirable in everyone’s opinion: consistency with contact or consistency with squaring the putter face? Hopefully my question makes sense. While I haven't done any scientific study, it seems to me that starting the ball on your intended line is absolutely critical. Obviously speed and read are the other important factors, but you can make any straight putt with a little inconsistency in speed, which is what off-center contact is likely to cause. GF_SGCC99 and cnosil 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 hours ago, GF_SGCC99 said: consistency with contact or consistency with squaring the putter face? Depends on how much your face angle varies. if you are pretty consistent then I would take consistency in contact because I would put speed control a little higher on the priority list. GF_SGCC99 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Hook DeLoft Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Dave Pelz thinks line is more important. Quote 14 of the following: Ping G430 Max 10.5 degree Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53 Maltby M Series+ 54 degree Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Cheap Top Flite mallet putter from Dick's, currently holding down first place in the bag TaylorMade Mini Spider Bridgestone XS Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, Hook DeLoft said: Dave Pelz thinks line is more important. Not sure about that especially since he says the ball should use the speed to get the ball 17 inches past the hole. That makes me think he thinks speed is first priority. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Hook DeLoft Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 3 hours ago, cnosil said: Not sure about that especially since he says the ball should use the speed to get the ball 17 inches past the hole. That makes me think he thinks speed is first priority. I’m was going off memory. I’ll have to get the book out and double check. Quote 14 of the following: Ping G430 Max 10.5 degree Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53 Maltby M Series+ 54 degree Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Cheap Top Flite mallet putter from Dick's, currently holding down first place in the bag TaylorMade Mini Spider Bridgestone XS Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Hook DeLoft said: Dave Pelz thinks line is more important. To me, line is more important on shorter putts, putts that you have a real chance to make. If you have erratic control of your line, you'll miss a lot of those. For longer putts, the ones you want to get moderately close for an easy 2-putt, distance is most important. Its unusual for a combination of read and line control to leave you as far away as erratic distance control can. I think most of us learn to read greens through experience, we make an initial "guess" and learn from watching the results, adapting our read for the next chance. But if you can't hit your intended line, or your distance is erratic, you're learning to read greens based on faulty data. So to me, line is first, speed control is second, and green-reading is the final piece of the puzzle. To make one putt right now, each one is critical in its own right, but learning to putt you should be building one piece on top of another. cnosil, GF_SGCC99 and Stuka44 3 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: To me, line is more important on shorter putts, putts that you have a real chance to make. If you have erratic control of your line, you'll miss a lot of those. For longer putts, the ones you want to get moderately close for an easy 2-putt, distance is most important. Its unusual for a combination of read and line control to leave you as far away as erratic distance control can. I think most of us learn to read greens through experience, we make an initial "guess" and learn from watching the results, adapting our read for the next chance. But if you can't hit your intended line, or your distance is erratic, you're learning to read greens based on faulty data. So to me, line is first, speed control is second, and green-reading is the final piece of the puzzle. To make one putt right now, each one is critical in its own right, but learning to putt you should be building one piece on top of another. Definitely agree with you; all aspects are important and very interrelated. The added complexity is that there are multiple line/speed combinations that will work for putts so it is about right speed for the right line. As a player you need to be able to understand you line or speed mistake because putts can still go in the hole when you make a mistake or miss the hole when you do everything perfect. DaveP043, RickyBobby_PR and GF_SGCC99 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, cnosil said: Definitely agree with you; all aspects are important and very interrelated. The added complexity is that there are multiple line/speed combinations that will work for putts so it is about right speed for the right line. As a player you need to be able to understand you line or speed mistake because putts can still go in the hole when you make a mistake or miss the hole when you do everything perfect. Agree. Aggressive putters are going to have a different line and speed compared to a less aggressive putter. The golfer has to know their speed and pick their line based off that Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
GF_SGCC99 Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 4 hours ago, DaveP043 said: To me, line is more important on shorter putts, putts that you have a real chance to make. If you have erratic control of your line, you'll miss a lot of those. For longer putts, the ones you want to get moderately close for an easy 2-putt, distance is most important. Its unusual for a combination of read and line control to leave you as far away as erratic distance control can. I think most of us learn to read greens through experience, we make an initial "guess" and learn from watching the results, adapting our read for the next chance. But if you can't hit your intended line, or your distance is erratic, you're learning to read greens based on faulty data. So to me, line is first, speed control is second, and green-reading is the final piece of the puzzle. To make one putt right now, each one is critical in its own right, but learning to putt you should be building one piece on top of another. Pulling 3-5 footers is what led to me making the putter change. I’d been reading on toe hang and it’s affects on closure rate, and thought that this new-to-me putter might aid my stroke. Practicing with this new putter and struggling with making consistent center contact is what got me asking this question. Again, I likely just need more practice with the new putter. Putting is by far the weakest part of my game, and is my main target area to strengthen this season. Quote Link to comment
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