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Hey, if a guy or a gal plays with knockoffs, that's on them, however, if I'm in a competition of some sort, you bet I'd have a lot to say about it. Recreational players with knockoffs don't offend me if that's what they can only afford to play this great game. The only downside to these players is that they're supporting the knockoff sellers.

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Leave the guy alone if he is satisfied with his purchase. He's out there playing and for some of us that's all that matters.

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What can you say…hope he likes throwing money away and ruining his golf game…isn’t there a site where these can be reported…not sure what info you need and if In the long run whether any thing can be achieved…keep badgering him to dump it

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The counterfeit golf club market is alive and well. When I worked golf retail, I saw some really good counterfeit clubs, particularly iron sets. I was taught how to recognize a counterfeit club/set and it wasn't easy. The best counterfeit clubs, at the time, came from China.

For the accomplished golfer, who wants the "genuine" product, beware of what's out there. Buy from a reputable dealer or the factory. For those who don't care and simply want to own a "brand name" and not pay full price for it, so be it. As several have mentioned, they will buy a fake Rolex or a Gucci bag and flaunt it to make one think it is real. It isn't and they know it. They have to live with it.

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On 4/27/2022 at 9:08 AM, berkeleybob said:

 

The Chinese G410, though … it’s possible that folks buy them thinking their getting a great deal on a club only to realize they bought a fake. That’s not something folks are eager to admit on the course. “I won’t pay $500 for a driver” sounds like a line to say instead of saying, “I was taken by a website.”

I really wanted to say I like agree but that's not in the list!!

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1 hour ago, Gil B said:

Hey, if a guy or a gal plays with knockoffs, that's on them, however, if I'm in a competition of some sort, you bet I'd have a lot to say about it. Recreational players with knockoffs don't offend me if that's what they can only afford to play this great game. The only downside to these players is that they're supporting the knockoff sellers.

Well you need to be and Expert on golf club design and play with the person using counterfeit clubs, lots of things need to happen to help you personally I wouldn't waste my time. Anyone who does things to get an advantage is just kidding himself, plus knockoff clubs are not that good imho...

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On 4/25/2022 at 3:59 PM, HDTVMAN said:

Nothing you can say! But when I worked at a golf superstore, we took trades on counterfeit clubs and gave the people the same amount as we would give for the real deal. Then we'd sell it as the real deal. That was the manager's decisions. He didn't care as long as we made lots and lots of money. Very dishonest, but he was the manager.

Holy crap what golf superstore?

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Titleist SM7 Jet black with TT onyx black s400 shaft 50°

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12 hours ago, BIG STU said:

I am a truthful person but in that situation I could not tell him and bust his bubble

The downside is if the results are not as expected, the actual OEM gets the black eye. In the off chance he goes to trade for a newer model, to be told then it is trash will also be a disappointment to him. 

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2 hours ago, BIG STU said:

LOL well there could be if you got caught passing that counterfeit C note Law Enforcement may be paying you a visit. I don't reckon the USGA will pay you a visit over the driver though

USGA, no. But the OEMs have teams to find   If the buyer on a resell files a complaint, the seller may get a visit. 

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Sometimes the comments on here make me happy I don't play with many of you - no joke, get over yourself, Rickybobby_pr,  and Riverboat said it right, we all learn the hard way --- get off the judgement seat -- UNLESS of course we are perfect people, reminds me of many forums - how guys say they bang their 3 wood 280 and driver 305 - they are probably the same guys that heard GI, $10 you have my virgin sister, some live in a different reality, and some have to learn the hard way.  Time for me to get off my soap box, I just would like to see reality on here, like --- like those who would jam their friend ---- feel bad for how dumb he was, he knows it - and if he is bragging about how good the knock off is, he may cheat on his score anyway --   

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Great, new drivers are expensive.  Based on the sound, there is no reason to think the counterfeit will almost be the same. Plenty of y-tube videos that compare an original and a counterfeit. The accuracy and other characteristics are far off. Buying an actual used club is a better option. 

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 I have a friend who's a low launch hitter while I'm High launch. We tried each other's drivers with predictable results yeah absolute rubbish, with a big tail wind I was ok with his but he hit mine 10metres off the ground, you would of thought they were counterfeit they were that bad but you need to expert to know the real thing because I can't tell....

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On 4/24/2022 at 1:04 PM, GolfSpy_APH said:

Easy to tell him a walk mart driver would have been just as good.

What I feel bad for is a guy we had come in to the shop who was gifted what he thought was a brand new Scotty for his 25 years of working with his company from a bunch of employees... Which had many many tells of being fake. Telling him it was harder. He didn't do it and was so excited to own a Scotty.

I'd wonder about the guy from the company that bought that fake Scotty.  I can hear it now "hey guys we need to pitch in to get $500 to get Bob a Scotty Cameron putter for retirement. " Then goes out and buys a $50 fake and pockets $450

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12 hours ago, WiTerp50 said:

USGA, no. But the OEMs have teams to find   If the buyer on a resell files a complaint, the seller may get a visit. 

Oh yes I know --- Our shop was also an Titleist dealer and we had some guys trying to sell us some Scotty Cameron putters at a fantastic deal. In fact Newports cheaper than we were getting them as a dealer from Titleist. Our cameras did get a tag number. One of our good customers was a LEO on the state crime task force we contacted him and also our Titleist sales rep. Our LEO friend did some checking and told us the feds had a line on these guys. Our Titleist rep also told us later independently that their loss prevention folks were "on it" . About 6 months later the feds pounced hard on those guys. Golf clubs were not the only counterfeits they were importing. They had a whole warehouse up in nearby Wilmington NC full of stuff. Stuff like those fancy ladies pocketbooks Rolex watches and the likes all of them counterfeit. There was a AP write up on it that made all our local papers and our LEO friend showed us some reports.

Driver ---- Honma G1_X Stock tuned Honma R shaft---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*---  Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW  Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. Bag Old School Jones Original non stand

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Riverboat said:

If that's how it happened, that guy is the world's biggest a******. It's like the guy who's supposed to buy the hole in one insurance for the charity tournament who pockets the money every year figuring the hole in one won't happen anyway. I've read of that happening in multiple situations.

That actually happened quite a few a few times in the Charlotte NC area a few years ago. In fact it happened at a Church sponsored thing. And no I am not going to get into any discussion on Church sponsored gambling. He actually did not get any HIO claims but he got caught. Seems he had several outstanding warrants for him on stuff like that out of state. The guy was either ballsy or stupid because he tried to pull that gag on a FOP charity. One of the officers involved recognized his face from the flyer and he was arrested. Come to find out another officer was involved on the Church thing and recognized him also. Did not ever hear on the outcome.

Driver ---- Honma G1_X Stock tuned Honma R shaft---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*---  Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW  Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. Bag Old School Jones Original non stand

 

 

 

 

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is it really counterfeit if it doesn't say "ping" isn't most everything a "knockoff" of someone else idea, remember the issue with titleist and the putters using slotline heel toe weights 

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I bought a fake R7. Smoked the ball! A friend convinced me to sell it to him and go buy another one. I sold it to him and bought another one. The new one was a POS! You never know what you are going to get. That was the last time I made that mistake! Another friend has a set of fake G2 irons. More crap, I can tell the different but he can't. He still plays with them to this day! Of course his game matches his irons. LOL!

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4 hours ago, leonmot said:

I bought a fake R7. Smoked the ball! A friend convinced me to sell it to him and go buy another one. I sold it to him and bought another one. The new one was a POS! You never know what you are going to get. That was the last time I made that mistake! Another friend has a set of fake G2 irons. More crap, I can tell the different but he can't. He still plays with them to this day! Of course his game matches his irons. LOL!

More than likely the fake R-7 had a thinner face and more than likely non conforming but hot. After a while with a big strong hitter those things would crack due to being so thin. I have seen that a lot over the years and have performed a "autopsy" on more than one cracked head. 

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Driver ---- Honma G1_X Stock tuned Honma R shaft---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*---  Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW  Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. Bag Old School Jones Original non stand

 

 

 

 

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On 4/24/2022 at 9:46 AM, tony@CIC said:

Played with a guy yesterday that had a Ping counterfeit 410. Initially I though he had a 425 since the 'Alta' shaft was a different color and the head definitely looked like a Ping but it had a crazy hollow sound.  When I asked him, he said no it was a China knockoff 410 and that he won't pay $500 for a driver. Hmmm what do you say to a guy that contributes to the counterfeit problem. 

 

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