Switching from Pro V1X - Tour B X, Z Star XV?

[Getoffmylawn]

I really appreciate everyone’s suggestions.  I’m planning to give the BX a trial run but will also try the XV, and maybe Left Dash. At the end of the day, I’m after less spin but not low spin, but still a high compression (which I think knocks AVX out right?).  Again, the Callaway stuff…just don’t know that I trust the consistency ball to ball.

[SharkyM]

I'd recommend the 2019 TP5X if you haven't tried it.  I'm stocking up on this ball, for me it does everything I need, high bombs off the driver, boring flight into wind and doesn't' spin like crazy on softer/wet greens.  

I tried the Srixon ZX found it way too clicky.  The < -prov1x > is a close second but for me the '19 tp5x is longer.   The 2021 TP5X feels like a prov1 to me, kinda like the Penta back in the day...too soft and spinny...

[WiTerp50]

It is not an absolute that the compression difference in tour quality balls translate to shorter distances with not as high compression. You’d need to go through a ball fitting to find the best ball for you. Besides the comparable Z-Star balls, there is now a lower spin ZX ball analogous to the left dash Pro-V1x. There are enough tour pros with swing speeds over 110 using either the V or the X to not say the compression difference is a key factor in distance. 
 

May the best ball win. 

[Golfzilla70]

I 100% understand where you're coming from.  I get aggravated by the same thing; i can't control my spin well enough to know when it's going to "zip" and when it's not.  But i do usually put loads of spin on it.  Here's what i did:  i tried some balls, specifically the non-urethane balls.  The Titleist Trufeel is a fine ball that fits exactly what you're talking about.  No, it's not going to do a "one hop and stop" from a chip off the side of the green, but it NEVER spins backwards, sometimes it stops where it lands, and usually it rolls out forward a couple of yards at the most (except for chips, it'll roll out further depending on trajectory).  The REAL plus side to them, besides the reliability of knowing what they'll do when they hit the green, is their durability (i suppose the fact that they're only half as expensive is a major deal too).  You can play several rounds with one of these, but your Pro VI won't make it through 18 holes due to cover abrasions (and those cover abrasions on the Pro V's seem to affect it WAY MORE than cover abrasions on the Trufeel's).  Just my two cents; and i'm a 4 handicap for what that's worth.

[DStar]

I'm finding my -V1X are less spinney around the greens, long off the tee though. 

I'm readjusting my approach shots to allow for it as I do like the feel of the ball. They do stop quickly, just not as quick as a V1X or V1 in my experience. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

15 hours ago, ChuckZ said:

I would recommend the Titleist AVX.  Good distance and control with less spin.  It is a premium ball but an Alternate to the ProV1 and the Prov1X.  

 

14 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said:

I really appreciate everyone’s suggestions.  I’m planning to give the BX a trial run but will also try the XV, and maybe Left Dash. At the end of the day, I’m after less spin but not low spin, but still a high compression (which I think knocks AVX out right?).  Again, the Callaway stuff…just don’t know that I trust the consistency ball to ball.

I was going to quote the above post about the downside of the avx and that form what you posted you weren’t trying to lower ball flight which is what the avx would do along with reducing spin. So yes that would knock the avx out for you.

Remember for the most part while it will vary between golfer we aren’t talking a lot of spin difference between balls. Most iirc from the ball study is 200-500rpm

[PMookie]

On 4/26/2022 at 1:18 PM, Getoffmylawn said:

I hear you, but I still want some spin and check, just not as much as I'm getting from the Pro V1X.

Is the cover and it's durability just not a factor for everyone, or am I alone in that assessment?  It just seems to me Titleist cover gets scabbed up pretty easily compared to the Bridgestone, and it annoys me to have to change out a ball when I haven't hit any trees, cart paths, or anything that (to my mind) would justify the scabs and cuts.

Don't get me wrong, if a Titleist ball is best for me then it's what I'll game.  Just something I've noticed.

I'll definitely have to kick tires on Left Dash.  The CSX LS...I don't know.  Right or wrong I'm still leery of Callaway balls.

You and I are on the same search! Literally. So far this year Ive tried Left Dash, new BX, XV, Z Star, Z Star Diamond, and I have a new dozen TP5X waiting on me that hasn’t been opened yet. BX is the leader in the clubhouse. Overall feel, distance, spin on approach/around the green, and durability are all very good. It performs exactly how I want my ball to perform. I’m going to give the newest TP5X a shot since I have access to them at a lower cost, but if I’m picking today, BX is my choice this year. Like you, I can’t do Callaway… Left Dash is WAY too low spin for me off driver, too many low hooks, and it’s too hard. I do not like it at all!

[Getoffmylawn]

1 hour ago, PMookie said:

You and I are on the same search! Literally. So far this year Ive tried Left Dash, new BX, XV, Z Star, Z Star Diamond, and I have a new dozen TP5X waiting on me that hasn’t been opened yet. BX is the leader in the clubhouse. Overall feel, distance, spin on approach/around the green, and durability are all very good. It performs exactly how I want my ball to perform. I’m going to give the newest TP5X a shot since I have access to them at a lower cost, but if I’m picking today, BX is my choice this year. Like you, I can’t do Callaway… Left Dash is WAY too low spin for me off driver, too many low hooks, and it’s too hard. I do not like it at all!

Interesting.  What did you find lacking with XV and Diamond?

[Muckinfiddle]

I use the BX all last year primarily. I found the cover to get scuffed more so than the Titleist pro v1x. I switched to using the pro v1x late in the season and found it to be more resistant to scuffs from irons than the Bridgestone ball. It seemed like I was taking the BX ball out of rotation quicker because of the scuffs than I thought I should be compared to how long I could play a pro v1x. Maybe I need a little more research on that though. The pro v1x definitely has more zip off the green but I'm also looking for a little more spin with chipping so I may have to hit long to protect myself. This all being said, I may still look into the 2022 version of the BX and give it a shot.

[barryschwartz56]

Referring back to the OG poster, I have found exactly the same thing with the ProV1x and ProV1.  Excess spin on wedge approach shots and no release on greenside shots.  I guess if I played courses set up like the pro tour I would need this much spin but I am really questioning whether it's necessary for us amateurs.  The Snell MTB and MTB-X seem like a good options to try as well as the Bridgestone.  

[PMookie]

21 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said:

Interesting.  What did you find lacking with XV and Diamond?

Better feel with the BX, and a touch longer than XV. XV just didn’t wow me, so the feel alone was the deciding factor. Diamond just wasn’t good for me at all. Significantly shorter off driver was the main issue, and just not stellar anywhere else. Not a fan. Only took 4 holes to figure that out.

[Getoffmylawn]

The testing begins.

Cold windy and wet here in Nebraska (still), so step 1 was rolling some putts on my basement green.  I honestly didn't expect to discern much from putting, but if any of these had an overly clicky sound and feel it would have been strike one.  I know that's a subjective thing, but at the end of the day this is all subjective in terms of what trade-offs I'm willing to accept when picking a ball, right?

So, after rolling about 200 putts over the last 36 hours, I'd have to rate the feel off the putter face as..

1) Z-Star XV

2) Tour B X

3) Pro V1X

4) Z-Star Diamond

The Diamond wasn't so bad that I can't game it, but it was noticeably more "clicky" to me than the others.  Of course, the White Hot insert might have the effect of muting that sensation a bit across the board; not sure on that point.

This is hardly a data driven test, nor will it be.  Over the next couple of days I plan to get in some greenside work, and then give each a 9-hole trial run.  Unless I'm striking it so awful that I can't draw any conclusions, I'll know the winner when I see it..

[Getoffmylawn]

Gave the Z Star XV a 9-hole trial run yesterday.  Overall, meh...I could certainly game it, but feel-wise I wasn't thrilled with it, and I really didn't discern much difference from the Pro V1X.  Shot a 38 on it though, but with the Diamond and Tour B X still to take out for a trial, I can't see the XV being the choice since it really doesn't seem to offer me anything over my current Pro V1X gamer.

[GrumpyGolf]

On 5/10/2022 at 6:17 AM, Getoffmylawn said:

Gave the Z Star XV a 9-hole trial run yesterday.  Overall, meh...I could certainly game it, but feel-wise I wasn't thrilled with it, and I really didn't discern much difference from the Pro V1X.  Shot a 38 on it though, but with the Diamond and Tour B X still to take out for a trial, I can't see the XV being the choice since it really doesn't seem to offer me anything over my current Pro V1X gamer.

Interested to know how you did with the BX.  Were you able to give them a test round to see how well they worked?

[Muckinfiddle]

I just finished the last of the 2020-21 B-X's and still really like the ball, but the cover still seems less resilient than the Pro V1x. I tried and really like the left dashes so I bought a dozen and am pretty happy with the play. Less spin but still pretty good control. You should try a sleeve.

[Getoffmylawn]

4 hours ago, GrumpyGolf said:

Interested to know how you did with the BX.  Were you able to give them a test round to see how well they worked?

Yes!!

Sorry I’ve sucked at updates, it’s been a crazy few weeks here…family emergency, promotion, and now packing up the house.

But, after giving several Srixon offerings a test drive I gave the Tour B X a full 18 and loved it.  Off the tee and on approaches I really liked it, and it seemed to do well in the wind, but what really won me over was that little bit more of release that I’ve been looking for.  I manipulate the club face around the green a lot, and on more lofted chips the ProV1X literally stopped dead with almost no release, which looks cool but was not quite what I wanted.  The Tour B X stops just fine but with just a little more runout that I want.

2 hours ago, Muckinfiddle said:

I just finished the last of the 2020-21 B-X's and still really like the ball, but the cover still seems less resilient than the Pro V1x. I tried and really like the left dashes so I bought a dozen and am pretty happy with the play. Less spin but still pretty good control. You should try a sleeve.

That’s really interesting, I found the Tour B X to be much more durable than the ProV1X.  Guess I’ll see, I stocked up on 5 dozen Bridgestone’s, so I’m committed!

[GrumpyGolf]

1 hour ago, Getoffmylawn said:

Yes!!

Sorry I’ve sucked at updates, it’s been a crazy few weeks here…family emergency, promotion, and now packing up the house.

But, after giving several Srixon offerings a test drive I gave the Tour B X a full 18 and loved it.  Off the tee and on approaches I really liked it, and it seemed to do well in the wind, but what really won me over was that little bit more of release that I’ve been looking for.  I manipulate the club face around the green a lot, and on more lofted chips the ProV1X literally stopped dead with almost no release, which looks cool but was not quite what I wanted.  The Tour B X stops just fine but with just a little more runout that I want.

Thanks for the update.  After looking at the MGS Ball review and doing my online diligence, it is good to see what your results were.  I am looking at settling on the Tour BX because everything  seems to point to them being good form my game setup.  I am going out to buy some tonight and get ready to use them during my next round.  Thanks again and I will post my findings after I get out and play.

[JalanK]

On 4/26/2022 at 9:30 AM, Getoffmylawn said:

I'm strongly considering a switch from the Pro V1X, largely because it's spinning too much for me on approaches and greenside.  I hit a couple approaches last night with PW and GW that landed at or near pin-high but then spun back, in one case off the green.  I like some good check obviously, but I'm getting too much.  Greenside, I hit several chips right where I wanted and got almost no release, or at least not as much as I wanted.

For the hell of it, I tried out a Tour B X (the Bryson ball) for my last couple holes and liked it; it definitely released a little more, and off the driver it felt good and was certainly as long as the Titleist.  And, I'm convinced the Bridgestone cover is more durable than the Titleist.  (I played the B XS a bit last year and the cover holds up well.)

A couple questions for the community...see any flaws in my logic or anything I'm not thinking about?  Anyone gaming the Bryson ball and have any feedback?  And, should I be checking out the Z Star XV in your opinion?  I played it a bit a couple years ago and was kind of "meh" about it.  Of course I've combed through the MGS ball test write-ups but I'm also interested in anyone elses feedback.

My playing speed with driver is around 107-110.

Thanks.

If you have an abundance of the current 2021 model, I'd be interested in seeing if we could agree on a purchase. Shoot me a pm if interested.

[Getoffmylawn]

So right after I buy a large stash of the Tour B X,   @Tony Covey MGS releases a ball lab taking the Tour B XS to the wood shed for compression consistency.  So now I have to wonder if it’s a foregone conclusion that the Tour B X has that issue too?  Certainly poors cold water on my excitement to start gaming it..

[ejgaudette]

12 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

So right after I buy a large stash of the Tour B X,   @Tony Covey MGS releases a ball lab taking the Tour B XS to the wood shes for compression consistency.  So now I have to wonder if it’s a foregone conclusion that the Tour B X has that issue too?  Certainly poors cold water on my excitement to start gaming it..

Yeah that was not a good look on the B XS for sure. Maybe somehow the B X is better, but I agree seems likely there will be some issues.