biggerwoody6 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I just switched to new Irons and was looking to try and figure out my distances relative to my previous irons. I used the Arccos Caddie last year so I have a good idea what I hit for total yards with my old irons. I took the new irons to the launch monitor to try and get my average carry and total yards for my new irons. For my 7-PW I had virtually no difference between the carry and total yardage. Is this a good thing? Should I be hoping for a bit of roll on my 7 or 8? For my 9 or PW I can see that I want it to stop - am I reading too much into this and need to just use the information and make an informed decision when I take my shot. Thanks for any feedback GolfSpy TCB 1 Quote Driver: LTDx LS10.5* 3-wood: LTDx 15* 3 hybrid: Tsi3 20* Irons: P790 2019 Wedges: MG3 50* SM8 54/10* and 58/14* Putter: Cadence TR Ketch Backup: Special Select Newport 2 w. BGT Tour 2 Polar Stability Shaft Ball: Pro-V 1x Link to comment
GolfSpy TCB Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I'm sure you will get some difference of opinion back from your question, but without knowing what your swing speeds are, (and carry distances for say... the 7 iron) it is hard to say if you should expect roll out or not. In my opinion, a well struck 7 iron (reasonable swing speed, downward AoA, middle of the face) should hop and stop. Of course there is a variable in the greens you are playing... are they soft or firm? The receptiveness of the greens have an impact as well. Though you said you were measuring using a launch monitor, so the receptiveness of the green is built in to the program... usually soft-ish. One other thing I'll add... new grooves should be imparting more spin - depending on the age and condition of your old sticks... so more spin with newer clubs makes a lot of sense to me. All that said, your on-course experience may differ from what you are seeing in the LM. I'll back out now and let the MGS experts in.. biggerwoody6 and Kansas King 2 Quote Titleist TSR3 9* (A2 setting) Driver - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Titleist TSR2+ 3 Wood - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Srixon ZX 5W Callaway Paradym 4-PW Titleist Vokey SM9 50-08, 54-10 & 58-08 Scotty Cameron Super Select Newport 2.5 2023 Titleist ProV1 Link to comment
biggerwoody6 Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tiftaaft said: I'm sure you will get some difference of opinion back from your question, but without knowing what your swing speeds are, (and carry distances for say... the 7 iron) it is hard to say if you should expect roll out or not. In my opinion, a well struck 7 iron (reasonable swing speed, downward AoA, middle of the face) should hop and stop. Of course there is a variable in the greens you are playing... are they soft or firm? The receptiveness of the greens have an impact as well. Though you said you were measuring using a launch monitor, so the receptiveness of the green is built in to the program... usually soft-ish. One other thing I'll add... new grooves should be imparting more spin - depending on the age and condition of your old sticks... so more spin with newer clubs makes a lot of sense to me. All that said, your on-course experience may differ from what you are seeing in the LM. I'll back out now and let the MGS experts in.. Thanks - my "old irons" were Srixon Z585 that I had for a year but couldn't hit. It's good to know that the launch monitor probably has receptive greens built in. For my yardages, I didn't write down ball speed but I was getting 7i - 163 carry and total; 8i - 153 carry 155 total; 9i - 138 c 139 t; PW - 121 c 122 t. I guess I will really find out when the club opens up and I can get on the course. Thanks for the info. GolfSpy TCB 1 Quote Driver: LTDx LS10.5* 3-wood: LTDx 15* 3 hybrid: Tsi3 20* Irons: P790 2019 Wedges: MG3 50* SM8 54/10* and 58/14* Putter: Cadence TR Ketch Backup: Special Select Newport 2 w. BGT Tour 2 Polar Stability Shaft Ball: Pro-V 1x Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, biggerwoody6 said: I just switched to new Irons and was looking to try and figure out my distances relative to my previous irons. I used the Arccos Caddie last year so I have a good idea what I hit for total yards with my old irons. I took the new irons to the launch monitor to try and get my average carry and total yards for my new irons. For my 7-PW I had virtually no difference between the carry and total yardage. Is this a good thing? Should I be hoping for a bit of roll on my 7 or 8? For my 9 or PW I can see that I want it to stop - am I reading too much into this and need to just use the information and make an informed decision when I take my shot. Thanks for any feedback What are your launch, spin, apex/peak height, descent/lang angle? These are what’s needed to tell what’s happening with your shots I hit a higher ball and with my numbers I don’t get much roll out unless playing on hard greens. Each person will be different based on their launch characteristics. I don’t want a lot of rollout with irons, they are for distance control not distance GolfSpy TCB, biggerwoody6 and Rtracymog 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
biggerwoody6 Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: What are your launch, spin, apex/peak height, descent/lang angle? These are what’s needed to tell what’s happening with your shots I hit a higher ball and with my numbers I don’t get much roll out unless playing on hard greens. Each person will be different based on their launch characteristics. I don’t want a lot of rollout with irons, they are for distance control not distance When I was at the launch monitor the only data I was tracking was the carry and total distance. I think I will have to head back and check out those numbers. thanks. Quote Driver: LTDx LS10.5* 3-wood: LTDx 15* 3 hybrid: Tsi3 20* Irons: P790 2019 Wedges: MG3 50* SM8 54/10* and 58/14* Putter: Cadence TR Ketch Backup: Special Select Newport 2 w. BGT Tour 2 Polar Stability Shaft Ball: Pro-V 1x Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, biggerwoody6 said: When I was at the launch monitor the only data I was tracking was the carry and total distance. I think I will have to head back and check out those numbers. thanks. Yeah without those numbers distance is just a number and doesn’t tell the story of what causes it. biggerwoody6, MNUte and GolfSpy TCB 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
Rtracymog Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Unless I'm hitting a tee shot that I want to roll or a punch out, I don't like to see my irons really roll out at all. I want to hit those things a specific distance and have them stay there. Most people expect their longer irons to run out a bit, but from 7 or 8 on down, you shouldn't want any roll on your normal shot. If you're seeing run on the short irons, it's time to look into a new golf ball or weakening your lofts. GolfSpy TCB 1 Quote Cortex w/MGS Motore X F1 7X tipped 1" F5 17 degree hybrid w/Rogue Black 85X C300 Forged 3-5 w/C-Taper 130X FG Tour V6 5-6 w/C-Taper 130X Staff Model Blade 7-PW w/C-Taper 130X RTX4 52, 56, 60 w/S400 Tour Issue ER7 Link to comment
Motoboss Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Agreed. I play to a number then use the club that gives me that distance (within two or three yards) with no consideration for roll out. You get into hitting for roll out there are too many variables you can’t account for or control. Quote “Adventure Before Dementia “ PING G425 4-UW/SW Black Dot +1” Alta CB RFlex / ChipR PING G410 Plus DRIVER 10.5* / 3W 14*/ 5W 17.5* / 3hyb. 19* / 9W 22* PING Putter Custom PLD 4J Prototype / 1968 Anser / Odyssey TriHot #3 VICE Pro Soft Lime Green / Bridgestone RX - TreoSoft Link to comment
Kenny B Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, Riverboat said: You guys are oversimplifying. It depends on many things. If you played my home course when the weather is dry, you'd go crazy with this stop it dead mentality. I've played with players of all ability levels, and none can manage that. The course gets very, very firm, and as with many old courses, a number of greens slope front to back. Learning to judge bounces like the ones we get is part of the skill set of golf. It's also a huge part of the charm of links golf, which is of course the original form of the game. Personally, I launch lower than most and always play for release. I'm not a scratch player, but I'm a solid 6 who will shoot par or better several times each year, so I'm not a slouch either. All I'm saying is your assumption that there is only one way to play the game and that everyone should aspire to stop the ball on a dime is a bit presumptuous. Especially for those who don't hit the ball a mile, there's nothing wrong with playing release and roll golf. It is a viable way to play and score. Not saying your way is wrong, but there are other options. Agree. And the older you get, the slower your swing speed will be and the more rollout you have to play. Our greens are firm, but they will get very firm when temps get into the 90-110º range. Balls coming in very high, bounce quite high; spin maybe, but will release quite a bit. When you normally play release, it's no different whether the ground is dry in the summer or nearly frozen in the winter. When I learned the game, I was always amazed at how well those old guys played running the ball up onto greens when they couldn't get the greens on the fly... now I am one of those guys! I don't like courses that don't allow this type of play... elevated greens with bunkers in front with no option to run the ball up. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 10 hours ago, Riverboat said: All I'm saying is your assumption that there is only one way to play the game and that everyone should aspire to stop the ball on a dime is a bit presumptuous. Especially for those who don't hit the ball a mile, there's nothing wrong with playing release and roll golf. It is a viable way to play and score. Not saying your way is wrong, but there are other options. The conversation is about carry or total yards. What people are saying is you can’t base distance off total because it’s unpredictable. As you mention a dry or hard and fast course is going to yield more distance than a soft or wet course. Carry distance while it will vary based on weather is a lot more predictable and is how club distance should be measured especially if one has to carry a hazard, bunker or other object. If someone thinks I hit my 7i 150 based on total yards but actually only carry it 145 and there’s something they need to carry that’s at 150 the chances they do is slim and they will think they mishit the ball or something and not realize it’s because their distances are based on the wrong number. People saying their irons carry a certain distance and don’t roll out much are basing it off their normal playing conditions, but like you those same people can adjust their approach to hard, fast, firm courses because they know their carry distance and how their ball reacts so they can choose a different club to land shorter and play the roll or choose a different shot that flights then all differently to achieve desired result. These people aren’t limited to playing only for hop n stop or for run out. Motoboss 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
GolfSpy TCB Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 27 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: you can’t base distance off total because it’s unpredictable Yep, I agree with this. Any player should dial in the carry distances, then do the mental math for the specific course conditions they are playing that day. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Titleist TSR3 9* (A2 setting) Driver - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Titleist TSR2+ 3 Wood - Graphite Design Tour AD UB-5 R1 Srixon ZX 5W Callaway Paradym 4-PW Titleist Vokey SM9 50-08, 54-10 & 58-08 Scotty Cameron Super Select Newport 2.5 2023 Titleist ProV1 Link to comment
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