Popular Post mynerds Posted May 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2022 Fitting Results: Driver: Cobra King LTDx Max - 10.5; Mitsubishi C6 Red '22 50-R Flex (Custom) OR UST Helium Nanocore 50 R (Stock) Fairway: Cobra King LTDx Max - 3 Wood - Mitsubishi C6 Red '22 60-R Flex (Custom) OR UST Helium Nanocore 50 R (Stock) Irons: Cobra King LTDx Irons - 5-PW - Fujikura Vista Pro 2021 Iron 50 Regular (Custom) OR Project X Catalyst 60 R (Stock) - Minus .75" Length, 0.5 Flat Lie, Standard Loft Wedge: Taylor Made Milled Grind 3 Chrome 54.11 (Optional additional 60.10 as desired) - Fujikura Vista Pro 2021 Iron 60 Regular (Custom) OR Tour Issue S200 (Stock) - Minus .25" Length, 0.5 Flat Lie, Standard Loft Background I am a high handicap, social golfer that has been trying to make the game a more regular part of my life. I’m not looking to get good, but I am looking to get better. I’ve been diligently following online lesson plans, hitting the range multiple times a week, and playing progressively improved rounds as my friend group is available to play. I’ve known of club fittings for a while, but it seemed like something only “good” players benefited from. After digging further, it seemed possible that high handicappers could benefit from a fitting, and I wanted to see if that held true for me. I had a poor experience during a fitting at Golf Galaxy this year that I detailed in another post. I don’t need to repeat the post here, but I walked away after a poor experience and seemingly limited options in product selection. Since these were my two biggest pain points, I decided that if I ever did another fitting, I would evaluate it based on those two criteria. I considered booking another iron fitting later this year at a different venue recommended by @ChitownM2. When I got the email from Club Champion last week offering a full bag fitting for almost half of the price of an iron fitting alone, I jumped at the opportunity. Because of my previous poor fitting experience, I wanted to go into the process somewhat educated. I knew going in to expect sticker shock from custom built, pured clubs. I knew to set the expectation with my fitter that I didn’t want to spend piles of money on super game improvement clubs. I knew it would behoove me to be brand agnostic, but to be aware of potential brands and options both in club heads and shafts. I read up on the latest Most Wanted reports, looked at the custom component lists to familiarize myself with brand names, made a Google Keep note with my findings, and readied myself for the fitting. I even took time to limber up before the appointment with a pre-round routine. I genuinely don’t think I could have done anything else to better prepare for the fitting. One note on the trackman readouts below: I've been intentionally taking back my swing speed in an attempt to gain some control. I've never swung particularly fast, but the disparity between my listed profile swing speed and the trackman is recognized, accurate, and intentional Fitter – 5/5 knowledge, 5/5 experience One comment I’ve seen repeated in nearly every fitting discussion is something to the effect of “your experience will depend on the individual fitter.” I’m sure there are exceptional fitters at Golf Galaxy/independent shops/etc… I’m sure there are less-than-stellar fitters at Club Champion/True Spec/etc… Without a referral from someone else who has gone through the process with a specific fitter, it’s hard to know how your experience will go. When booking my fitting, I selected the option for Club Champion to pick my fitter and was assigned Roger Paiz. I searched around to see if I could any fitting reviews and saw a few positive reviews with no negatives before confirming the booking. Hoping for the best, my fitting was scheduled for this past Saturday. I arrived and Roger started the appointment by asking about my game and my goals during the fitting. I said that I’m a relatively high handicapper that has been grinding out time at the range in the hopes of improving my experience when on the course. The metaphor I used was that if I’m training for a marathon, I know I’m going to have to train for a while, but I should probably make sure I’m at least wearing the right size shoes to begin with. I mentioned everything in my bag (minus my putter) is second hand and I don’t know if it’s the best thing for me to be trying to improve with. I really struggle with my irons in particular. I also mentioned that I didn’t want to do anything exotic because I was so relatively inexperienced. Lastly, I asked for advice on my bag composition – where would I benefit from hybrids and fairway woods over longer irons? Roger agreed that this was a good approach and said he would create two builds: one like any other fitting with all options on the table and another that matched the “best” spec for me with OEM, no-upcharge options. During my appointment, it was clear that Roger was the man with the answers. On multiple occasions, other fitters quietly came by my bay with other fittee’s strike tapes and stats asking for advice. Unlike the outside visits at Golf Galaxy, these were handled quickly, quietly, and didn’t disrupt my experience in the bay. He answered all of my questions, and kept the atmosphere positive and lighthearted even as I struggled through the early stages of the fitting. I’ll detail more of our interactions but overall I couldn’t have hoped to be paired with a better fitter. Irons – 5/5 product selection, 5/5 experience Before starting in the Trackman, I mentioned that my favorite clubs during the Golf Galaxy fitting were on the lighter side of the scale. I took some initial warm up shots with my 9 iron and worked my way up to 6-iron after about 10 balls. Like I’ve said before, I really struggle with my irons. I’ve shaken my tendency to top the ball for the most part, but that’s morphed into a real struggle with a shank of the hosel. Weirder still is that the issue either shows up for an entire range session, or not at all. Again, I had prepared as best I could but nevertheless was anticipating another poor experience due to my own swing faults. Despite my disappointment to not have many quality shots (as you’ll see on the trackman report) my fitter was unphased. He laughingly said “I’ve been doing this a while, there isn’t a swing that scares me anymore,” which immediately made me feel much more comfortable. He dialed in on a few playable shots as a baseline and moved on to trying new setups. The fitting started with cycling through shafts first, then moving to clubheads. I believe we started with a 45g, Amateur flex and “worked our way up in weight and flex to find the right spot” as the fitter put it. We quickly landed into a 50g regular flex graphite shaft. The initial shots were taken on the Rogue ST Max OS but nothing looked or felt exceptionally good. After about 15 minutes of bad shots with different configurations, he watched my shot from the front and made a similar recommendation as Golf Galaxy to move the ball back in my stance to be about a half ball forward from middle at address. Different from Golf Galaxy was an explanation of why though. He noticed that I have an “interesting move” where my hands are decently far forward at contact which delofts the club. Apparently, there were a few strikes of my 6-iron where my dynamic loft was down in the neighborhood of a driver. After the small setup change, I was getting strikes to at least appear on the strike tape. I’ll try to maintain this change at the next range session and see if the benefits stick. Roger then paused and said “you know what, let’s skip forward a few steps. I’ve got an idea.” We started playing with length and lies to see if we could help move the ball closer to the center. I have to say, intentionally hitting the club against the hard strike plate a la hitting a ball of the cart path goes against every rational part of my body. If there’s a golf equivalent of nails-on-the-chalkboard, that’s the experience for me. We started seeing consistent hits on the club face and had playable shots after some trial and error. We then started cycling through clubheads including the previous Rogue ST Max OS, Stealth, and JXP 921 Hot Metal. Interestingly, the Rogue ST Max OS and Stealth didn’t play well at all like they had previously. Then we tried the PING G425. The first swing was right on the button. My fitter was on the other side of the room at that moment and said “when I heard that, I knew it was gone.” The smash factor was something just shy of 1.5. The fitter measured that specific clubhead and we tried all of the remaining clubheads with its specs to give everything an equal fighting chance. Despite having the single best hit of the day, the G425 lost out in dispersion to the Cobra LTDx of all things. Based on reviews and previous experience, I had anticipated being fit into the Rogue ST Max OS or the Stealth irons. The Cobra are significantly less… attractive than either of those and I was caught giving them a thorough examination. The fitter asked me how I felt the Cobra LTDx irons looked and I said “I don’t care if it’s the ugliest clubhead in the world. If I can hit it well, I’ll take it.” The fitter laughed, agreed I had the right attitude, and we moved to the big stick. Driver - 5/5 product selection, 5/5 experience Second only in weakness to my irons is my driver. I explained to Roger that only until the last month or so have I been able to use my driver at all. I mentioned that I really struggled to catch the ball on the way up for a very long time and am not to the point where I care so much about left to right dispersion. I hit my existing driver, saw typical results, and we had our baseline. We tried the Ping G425 Max, Rogue ST, and Stealth drivers. As far as I could recognize, there were no shortage of leftie options. Based on most wanted reviews for low swing speeds, I thought the Stealth HD would win out. However, far and away the smallest dispersion circle was with the Cobra LTDx Max. I liked the adjustability and potential for the club to grow with me. Chalk two wins up for Cobra. One more note on the Stealth: I’m pretty good at feeling my misses in my clubs. I suspect that’s because I have a lot of practice feeling my misses. With the Stealth, I didn’t have a clue where I was missing the ball. Especially for high handicappers like me who may be all over the face of the club, this seems like a real detriment to improvement. I really wanted to like the Stealth, but it was clearly not the club for me. Fairway - 5/5 product selection, 4/5 experience Given the results of the irons and driver, my fitter and I agreed to jump straight to the cobra 3W. I mentioned that I was comfortable hitting a wood off the deck or the tee, which prompted the fitter to swap out the plastic tee for a flat nub. He said the tee I had been using for the driver was “way too high for a wood” which was odd to me because I’ve hit my existing wood off a similar height before. Maybe that’s something I shouldn’t be doing, but I ended up not hitting a wood off a tee’d up ball. I hit a few with the Cobra 3w that I knew weren’t perfect, but I also knew I was losing gas and wasn’t swinging consistently any more. We called it “good enough” based on the dispersion gaps and moved on. 3 wins for Cobra! In hindsight given the extra time we ended up having, I think I would have preferred to try a few more club heads for the experience. I also should have tried a few hits off the tee, but didn’t ask to swap the tee back into the hitting surface. Wedges 4/5 product, 4/5 experience For wedges, the fitter again asked how I tend to use them currently. I’m used to using my PW in most circumstances from 75 yards in and only bring out my SW when in a bunker. I said I wasn’t sure if that’s the best or right way to go about things, but I have pretty good control and results with just finessing distance with those two clubs. He had me try the set-matched LTDx SW which worked well enough, and then offered to show me a few others for kicks and giggles. I tried the stock Taylormade Milled Grind 3 Wedge 54.11 and really liked it even with the heavy stock iron shaft. I also played with a 60.10 that I enjoyed. It is a really pretty club and decided that if I was going with wedges outside the set, the MW3 were for me. I looked at the black and chrome options – while the black is prettier new, I suspect the chrome holds up better over time. Easy choice! Unfortunately there weren't any graphite shafted MW3's to try which was a little disappointing. I think I would be ok with the stock steel shaft but I would have liked to try a lighter shaft to compare with my existing wedges. Small minus for availability and experience there, but nothing that would ruin the day. Gapping – 5/5 experience During the wedge fitting, I brought up my bag composition question again and asked if I should consider adding or swapping any irons with hybrids, or which wedges to consider. My fitter brought up the dispersion charts for the driver, the 3w, and the 6 iron. He pointed out that even in situations where you might want a rescue hybrid to help with a poor lie, its probably going to be just as easy to take a 5 iron or 6 iron out of the bag with similar distance as a hybrid. From a gapping perspective, it wouldn’t make sense to add a hybrid but I could always add it if I felt more confident with the feel or looks of it. As for wedges, the fitter said it was mostly preference and how I wanted to use it. He recommended a 54 degree for my SW and said the 60 degree could be a fun toy but not necessary for me at this time. Overall, that left me with a recommendation for 10 clubs: Driver, 3W, 5i-PW, 54 degree SW, and putter. I have to say, there is an appeal to being able to bring almost my full bag in my Sunday LOMA onto the 9-hole municipal course instead of my cart bag and pushcart. Simplicity is probably better for me at this point anyways! Putter – 4/5 product, N/A experience At the beginning of the session, I asked about trying some LAB putters. I was curious about them with the current test in progress and wanted to better understand the process the testers are currently working through. The fitter said he didn’t think they had a lefty LAB putter, which was disappointing to hear. Otherwise, it looked like they had a wide range of options in the putter areas. Unfortunately, a putter fitting was scheduled as I finished up the fittings of my other clubs. My fitter apologized for the scheduling conflict and offered to bring me back in any time in the future to finish off the fitting. It’s about a half hour drive to Club Champion from me so it’s not trivial to come back in for a putter fitting that was paid for as part of a full bag fitting. On the other hand, I’m at least content with my current putter so it’s not a huge loss to just take the putter fitting as a loss given the discounted fitting. It feels unfair to give this a 0/5 rating for the experience as I didn’t have a bad experience and a makeup was offered to me. If I end up going back for the putter fitting, I’ll update this post and the scoring. Grips – 5/5 product, 5/5 experience Boy you wouldn’t think that having a variety of grips available to hold or advice on grip size would be a selling point, but you’d be surprised! My fitter was surprised to see jumbo grips come out of the bag, and the CPx’s at least appear larger than normal grips anyways. To the shock of no one, he did not agree with the recommendation for jumbo grips and after checking my grip with a midsize CP2 pro (emphasis added for this revolutionary idea), agreed that they were a good fit. He then took me over to the wall of grips and asked what I liked about the CP2 Pros. After talking about my preferences for feel, tackiness, and softness he showed me a few Lamkins that didn’t spark joy and one that did in the Lamkin Sonar. I mentioned I liked the feel of the Sonar and the small alignment guide on the CP2 pro but wished the alignment was larger. He pointed out the grip could be installed logo down, which made better use of the lines on the bottom as a pseudo alignment aide. And just like that, now I want CP2 Pros, logo down on all my clubs! I really wish I knew that was an option for me a few months ago! Finally, I mentioned I was looking for a larger putter grip since I felt like I was always trying to man-handle my stock Odyssey grip. We tried a few options on the available putters and I immediately gravitated towards the Super Stroke Flatso 2.0. They didn’t have any available onsite for installation, so I had my putter regripped the following day at Dick’s Sporting Goods. Based on a quick test drive on my PuttOut mat, it’s a game changer. Overall – 66/70 (94%) Can a high handicapper benefit from a fitting? I think so, but your experience absolutely depends on the fitter and even so, you should come prepared. I think this is true for any skill level that goes through a fitting though. At a minimum, I would recommend: -Watch a fitting on YouTube, ideally for the type of fitting you’re interested in and at the venue you’re being fit at. Know what the process is before you arrive, and be prepared to hit a LOT of balls. -Know the following club terms: length, loft, lie, shaft weight, shaft flex, and swing weight. -Know the following launch monitor terms: carry distance, total distance, club speed, ball speed, smash factor, dynamic loft, descent angle. -Know that there are different “off-the-shelf” shaft options that may better fit your game. Bonus points for knowing if you like lighter or heavier shafts going into the fitting. -Know your budget and prepare to manage expectations accordingly. If you have the funds to go nuts with exotic shafts, go for it! Don't be afraid to have a budget and consider no-upcharge shafts if that's your need. For me, the experience of a full bag* fitting at Club Champion at $100 was a home run. Even with the missing putter fitting, I’m happy with the experience and outcomes. I can’t say enough good things about my fitter. If I can continue to improve my game to the point where a new fitting is warranted, Roger will be my fitter of choice. If you’re in the Chicagoland area and need a fitting, I would highly recommend him. Will I end up buying the clubs? Certainly not all of them up front, and probably not from Club Champion themselves. I see the value in their work product, but I’m just not good enough to warrant upcharges on clubs that may warrant being replaced as my game continues to improve. If I was playing 100 rounds a year with players distance irons like my neighbor, I could see the potential cost-benefit. For a casual golfer with a budget and game-improvement irons, it doesn’t make sense for me. My fitter didn’t push the custom clubs though and even provided me with an engineering spec of all-OEM options with no-upcharge shafts that were “pretty close” to the more exotic shaft options I swung with. Again, this was extremely appreciated and I likely will purchase some if not all of the OEM-available configurations over time. I walked away with a tremendous amount of new knowledge and expectations for my equipment and for my game as I continue to progress. I was surprised to be able to feel the different between clubhead swing weights and even more surprised to see the significant different in how the clubs felt to swing. I was significantly less convinced of the value of a fitting after my Golf Galaxy experience. Now, I really do think there can be a benefit for high handicappers to be fit for clubs, assuming you have the support of a quality fitter. GrumpyGolf, cnosil, cksurfdude and 14 others 17 Quote Driver: LTDx Max 10.5°, MCG C6 Red 50 R Wood: LTDx Max 3W 15.5°, MCG C6 Red 50 R Hybrid: TS2 4H 23°; 5H 25°, Mitsubishi Kuro Kage Black 60 Graphite Regular Irons: LTD (5-9); Vista PRO 60i R Wedges: Milled Grind 3 - 54.11 (56°), Milled Grind 3 - 60.10; Vista PRO 60i R Putter: White Hot Pro 1 / 2-Ball Ten Armlock Bag: Supreme Cart Bag 2022 Balls: Tour Reviews: Spornia SPG8 XL Net (Official), Me and My Golf Full Body Freedom (Unofficial), Club Champion Full Bag Fitting (Unofficial), Gravity Caddy (Unofficial) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Heck of a writeup! Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with us. So which of those do you envision purchasing first? GrumpyGolf, mynerds, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 One of the best fitting write-ups I have seen on here. Absolutely fantastic. LOVED this part Quote I arrived and Roger started the appointment by asking about my game and my goals during the fitting. I said that I’m a relatively high handicapper that has been grinding out time at the range in the hopes of improving my experience when on the course. The metaphor I used was that if I’m training for a marathon, I know I’m going to have to train for a while, but I should probably make sure I’m at least wearing the right size shoes to begin with. I mentioned everything in my bag (minus my putter) is second hand and I don’t know if it’s the best thing for me to be trying to improve with. I really struggle with my irons in particular. I also mentioned that I didn’t want to do anything exotic because I was so relatively inexperienced. Lastly, I asked for advice on my bag composition – where would I benefit from hybrids and fairway woods over longer irons? Roger agreed that this was a good approach and said he would create two builds: one like any other fitting with all options on the table and another that matched the “best” spec for me with OEM, no-upcharge options. The pre-fitting conversation where expectations and budget are discussed is the single most important part of any fitting. Period. The far majority of bad fitting experiences I read about on here are because the customer never discussed budget and then were shocked when they found out the shafts they loved doubled the price of the club cksurfdude, russtopherb, edingc and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 This is an awesome post. Thanks for sharing your experience, and I really love your approach and recommendations. Definitely a good primer on how to properly prepare for a club fitting. mynerds, cksurfdude, Nolan220 and 1 other 4 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynerds Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 Thanks for the positive feedback - It's really appreciated! 1 hour ago, russtopherb said: So which of those do you envision purchasing first? Oddly, probably the club I will benefit the least from - the MW3 wedge. I have a $99 "credit" from the Golf Galaxy fitting that is applied toward a new club purchase. If I can use it towards a single wedge, it will give me the chance to try out the light weight graphite shaft on a club I'm relatively confident over for the least amount out of pocket. I don't know the details or restrictions of the deal though and if the fitting fee has to be applied to a club I was fitted towards (e.g. only an iron set since its an iron fitting, or only an iron I tried during my fitting) then I don't know what I'll do. I really, really liked the shorter shaft length and the irons would probably be the first true purchase, followed by the driver. A matching 3 Wood would be nice, but my current gamer is a recent pick up from a reseller and does good-enough for now. The little help with the draw bias on the 3W was nice though.... Last will be a 60 degree, if ever. I'd love to get my swing to a point where it makes sense to have three MW3's in the bag. I think they're a great looking club, but not so pretty for me to buy two more just to look cool. 28 minutes ago, jlukes said: The pre-fitting conversation where expectations and budget are discussed is the single most important part of any fitting. Period. Couldn't agree more! Roger spent 15 minutes on the pre-fitting discussion while we sat on the couch drinking coke with the PGA Championship on TV. That relaxed attitude set the stage for a relaxed fitting. My pre-fitting discussion at Golf Galaxy lasted, conservatively, 2 minutes and happened as we were walking from the front of the store to the fitting bay. Further, I've already gushed over having the dual engineering specs, but its hard to overstate how helpful it's been to see to compare the no-upcharge build against the fully custom, twice as expensive build. I wouldn't have had that chance if I hadn't asked up front. If you have the willingness to look up the shaft specs, it becomes harder at my level to justify paying twice as much for similar performing clubs. For those looking for a specific performance spec (e.g. mid spin, low loft, medium weight), I get that a custom build makes sense. That's not my game, and my fitter was completely supportive of that. Again, can't say enough good things about having the right fitter for the job! null, edingc, cksurfdude and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: LTDx Max 10.5°, MCG C6 Red 50 R Wood: LTDx Max 3W 15.5°, MCG C6 Red 50 R Hybrid: TS2 4H 23°; 5H 25°, Mitsubishi Kuro Kage Black 60 Graphite Regular Irons: LTD (5-9); Vista PRO 60i R Wedges: Milled Grind 3 - 54.11 (56°), Milled Grind 3 - 60.10; Vista PRO 60i R Putter: White Hot Pro 1 / 2-Ball Ten Armlock Bag: Supreme Cart Bag 2022 Balls: Tour Reviews: Spornia SPG8 XL Net (Official), Me and My Golf Full Body Freedom (Unofficial), Club Champion Full Bag Fitting (Unofficial), Gravity Caddy (Unofficial) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Great write up! Glad to see they were able to dial you in more on the irons and woods! Let us know how this translates onto the course! MDGolfHacker GrumpyGolf, edingc, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote TSssWhat's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParFore74x Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Great write up! You nailed some pretty solid aspects of the fitting, especially the preparation and the pre-fitting conversation. mynerds, edingc, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote TSi3 10° w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 1K Black 65g TS2 15° 3W w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0 70g 818 H1 21° Hybrid w/ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue 70g MP-18 MMC 2 iron w/ KBS Tour C-Taper S 120g JPX 921 HM 5-GW w/ Project X LZ 5.5 115g JB Forged 54° SW & 58° LW w/ Project X LZ 6.0 120g EV5.3 Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyWifesSwingCoach Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 I have been looking into getting a fitting soon and I have to say, I was pretty dead set on Miles of Golf in Ann Arbor. But your write up has me more seriously looking into Club Champion. The Wife has been mentioning that she wants to go back to Chicago... LOL cksurfdude, GrumpyGolf, mynerds and 1 other 4 Quote Driver - R9 Superdeep TP 10.5* - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana 65g XStiff Shaft 3 Wood - 2020 Tight Lies 16* - Aldila Synergy Red 50-S Shaft 2 Hybrid - Idea Pro - Aldila VS Proto+ 'By You' 80-S Shaft 3 Iron - R7TP DGTT SL S300 Shaft 4-9 Irons - R7TP DGTT X-100 Shafts (6i has mismatched Project X 6.0 shaft) Sand Wedge - Adams GT XTreme 2 SW Putter - Heppler Tomcat 14 Ball - Tour Soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Yeah thx for taking the time to detail out your experience - have been thru a few fittings myself and it was interesting to follow along Question, though: you'd mentioned you were not swinging full speed, which makes sense during an extended fitting, but what I'm curious about is the gapping / set makeup... .. For example, they recommended your iron set go up to 5i yet on the gapping graphic that 6i and 3W actually overlap (ie. no distance gap) .. so a 5i might then seem superfluous .. unless .. this was a function of not swinging all out..? What have you seen on the course? Also curious on their non-recommendation related to hybrids - for me, a fellow high handicapper, and yes considering everyone is different, everyone swings differently, everyone is comfortable with different clubs but for me I have two hybrids .. 5H, 4H (replace 6i, 5i) .. that I get a lotta use out of every round! Not just full swings but punch outs outta trouble, or into wind, or occasionally putting from closely mown areas off the green, etc. Have you tried any hybrids? GrumpyGolf and mynerds 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynerds Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 5 hours ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said: I have been looking into getting a fitting soon and I have to say, I was pretty dead set on Miles of Golf in Ann Arbor. But your write up has me more seriously looking into Club Champion. The Wife has been mentioning that she wants to go back to Chicago... LOL Ha! Glad to be of help / sorry for making you consider a long drive to Chicagoland! To reiterate, I can only speak for the positive experience with my specific fitter (Roger Paiz) at my specific location (Willowbrook, IL). I can't imagine there isn't another competent fitter closer to you, nor can I imagine that there are other equally good fitters at the Club Champions in Grand Rapdis or Detroit. However, I can't offer the mynerds Stamp of Approval™ for those options 56 minutes ago, cksurfdude said: .. For example, they recommended your iron set go up to 5i yet on the gapping graphic that 6i and 3W actually overlap (ie. no distance gap) .. so a 5i might then seem superfluous .. unless .. this was a function of not swinging all out..? What have you seen on the course? Also curious on their non-recommendation related to hybrids - for me, a fellow high handicapper, and yes considering everyone is different, everyone swings differently, everyone is comfortable with different clubs but for me I have two hybrids .. 5H, 4H (replace 6i, 5i) .. that I get a lotta use out of every round! Not just full swings but punch outs outta trouble, or into wind, or occasionally putting from closely mown areas off the green, etc. Have you tried any hybrids? Great questions! For the latter question, I have a beat-to-snot Rescue 4H that I may start calling Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde: Appropriately, it either treats me very well or turns into a monster. I didn't have a FW for quite a while and now find myself reaching for a 3W where I would have typically gone with the 4H - generally limited to the fairway. For less than ideal lies, I could never get it to cooperate with me. Perhaps that's a function of it being a rescue hybrid, but I don't know what I don't know. I'm open to revisiting if I get new clubs and spend time with them on the course. As for the potential gapping overlap, I don't have a clue actually. I didn't specifically ask about why I should stop at the 5-iron, and it was recommended after I hit my driver but before I asked about fairway woods. Perhaps it is duplicative? If anyone has any other thoughts, here are the carry, total, and trajectory charts: MyWifesSwingCoach, GrumpyGolf and cksurfdude 3 Quote Driver: LTDx Max 10.5°, MCG C6 Red 50 R Wood: LTDx Max 3W 15.5°, MCG C6 Red 50 R Hybrid: TS2 4H 23°; 5H 25°, Mitsubishi Kuro Kage Black 60 Graphite Regular Irons: LTD (5-9); Vista PRO 60i R Wedges: Milled Grind 3 - 54.11 (56°), Milled Grind 3 - 60.10; Vista PRO 60i R Putter: White Hot Pro 1 / 2-Ball Ten Armlock Bag: Supreme Cart Bag 2022 Balls: Tour Reviews: Spornia SPG8 XL Net (Official), Me and My Golf Full Body Freedom (Unofficial), Club Champion Full Bag Fitting (Unofficial), Gravity Caddy (Unofficial) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchat07 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Great write up, really enjoyed it. Felt the exact same way about my CC fitting. Solid experience but didn't end up buying from them with some of the upcharges that were suggested. cksurfdude, GrumpyGolf and mynerds 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 22 hours ago, mynerds said: Great questions! For the latter question, I have a beat-to-snot Rescue 4H that I may start calling Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde: Ha that one's showing some battle scars! Just an FYI - as an older model that one has more of a fairway shape .. but which some people still prefer .. most newer hybrids have a much more compact profile plus a little bit taller face, which helps make them a little easier to hit out of rough but still work from the fairway. May be worth a look sometime if you do go back to the fitter. mynerds and GrumpyGolf 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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