Kevin Na

[JerryB]

Hypothetically, what stops these guys from playing in tournaments on, say sponsor exemptions?  

Or for the Masters?  Has Augusta said anything about Dustin or Sergio no longer being welcome as past champions?

[Shapotomous]

I would be surprised if augusta bowed to pressure from the tour.  They dont like to be forced into anything, it would have to be their idea to be a good idea.

[RickyBobby_PR]

52 minutes ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

He probably figures that would be easier than trying to get back in after whatever discipline/punishment would come his way had he not resigned. 

The exact punishment hasn’t been specified by the tour but it could be a fine or suspension which means he would be able to come back after the fine was paid or the suspension period ended. The other punishments mentioned was lifetime ban, which means there’s no coming back. 

So the KFT might not be the easiest way back had he just taken the punishment 

[MyWifesSwingCoach]

19 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The exact punishment hasn’t been specified by the tour but it could be a fine or suspension which means he would be able to come back after the fine was paid or the suspension period ended. The other punishments mentioned was lifetime ban, which means there’s no coming back. 

So the KFT might not be the easiest way back had he just taken the punishment 

Good Point. So I guess the biggest issue would be whether the tour could enforce a lifetime ban right?

[GolfSpy_BNG]

40 minutes ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

Good Point. So I guess the biggest issue would be whether the tour could enforce a lifetime ban right?

From everything I have read all the punishments(fines/suspensions/bans) are for breaching the contract sign to play in the pga tour. There Na resigning means the tour has no basis for a ban should that be the route they go. He never played in a competing tour without permission while under contract. 
 

Yes he will have to requalify if he chooses to return but the PGA Tour now has zero legal ground to issue any punishment to him now or in the future from what I see

[chisag]

1 minute ago, blackngold_blood said:

From everything I have read all the punishments(fines/suspensions/bans) are for breaching the contract sign to play in the pga tour. There Na resigning means the tour has no basis for a ban should that be the route they go. He never played in a competing tour without permission while under contract. 
 

Yes he will have to requalify if he chooses to return but the PGA Tour now has zero legal ground to issue any punishment to him now or in the future from what I see

 

... What I don't know not even considering LIV, and maybe someone more legally astute than I would know whether there are any rules concerning quitting the tour and then attempting to join again. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

51 minutes ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

Good Point. So I guess the biggest issue would be whether the tour could enforce a lifetime ban right?

Based on the current agreement they have in place yes. Will it hold up in court, don’t know, but that’s what several Of the posts in here and other related threads have wondered too as well as lawyers on all sides have already been putting in hours looking at all the legalese 

[GolfSpy_BNG]

15 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... What I don't know not even considering LIV, and maybe someone more legally astute than I would know whether there are any rules concerning quitting the tour and then attempting to join again. 

Very true. It may not even have been considered before. 
 

As far as the lifetime bans go,  players exemptions are what get them a contract offer from the tour each year. If I understand it correctly, the pga tour doesn’t have to offer those contracts(reguardless of exemptions) therefore they could suspend the players for the rest of this year and simply not offer contracts to those players next year.  
 

To go a step further, if DJ has signed a contract stating lifetime exemption to the tour due to his 20 wins then that can muddy the waters even more. 

[BIG STU]

5 hours ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

He probably figures that would be easier than trying to get back in after whatever discipline/punishment would come his way had he not resigned. 

Good Point but I will tell you CFT would be rough on him at his age and with all the College hot shots coming up every year.

Edited June 6, 2022 by BIG STU

[fixyurdivot]

15 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Good Point but I will tell you CFT would be rough on him at his age and with all the College hot shots coming up every year.

I don't see the likes of a Kevin Na, Garcia, Johnson, etc. planning on any re-qualifying for the PGA Tour.  As it stands now without LIV, they can walk away from professional golf and not want for much.  Even if the Shark Tour only lasts as long as Tommy TuTone, they'll pack away bonus bucks that should offset any endorsement losses and then some.  I'm now seeing this as more a statement against the PGA Tour and Monahan's heavy handed approach which, when the final history is written on this saga, may go down as his worst decision.

They (PGA) probably should just let them play these, Asian, Euro, DP Tour events so long as they meet the (15) event minimum.  The LIV Tour has tried to schedule much of their events around the PGA Tour (at least majors and key events like Memorial, etc.).  The odds of LIV or any new tour taking a significant bite out of the PGA's Big Apple is low.  Personally, I think the suspensions, bans, fines, and threats are going to backfire.  I also believe we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg and many more players will leave (or play an event and take their chances).

One thing for sure is that, at least for awhile, this will be an interesting chess-game to follow inside the game of professional golf.

 

[Middler]

On 6/5/2022 at 3:19 PM, MattWillGolf said:

I wish I voiced it this eloquently on Instagram but this was the general idea I wanted to express and got roasted. (I wonder if they were Kevin’s family. ) He is joining a tour with 54 hole no cut tournaments and guaranteed payouts. The competition will surely be lesser and has a chance for higher earnings. So I felt this was an easier way for him to go.

Easier? Everyone who is leaving is doing so for the money and lighter schedule - everything else about LIV is a potential downside. It's certainly not because they're excited about being associated with the Saudis. They take the chance the Saudis will lose interest if it doesn't provide the sports washing outcome they're hoping for, and the golden goose flies away - but by then older players like Na will have already made a ton of $$$. The younger ones may suffer a setback, trying to claw their way onto the PGA Tour after spending some of their prime years elsewhere. I don't blame those who choose to defect, I'm just not interested in watching a bunch of no names play golf and the new format doesn't appeal to me. YMMV

Yes I do. It's pretty sad when you're willing to overlook blood money to enrich yourself. Obviously many PGA players are choosing not to take the easy money - has to be on principle in part.

[RollingGreens]

I can’t see the LIV guys grinding for money when it’s all paid upfront. Playing for trophies once you have your money doesn’t seem like it will attract a lot of eyes. Can’t see the team format of 1 journeyman tour player and a few no name guys being a game changer. 

[Shapotomous]

59 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

I don't see the likes of a Kevin Na, Garcia, Johnson, etc. planning on any re-qualifying for the PGA Tour.  As it stands now without LIV, they can walk away from professional golf and not want for much.  Even if the Shark Tour only lasts as long as Tommy TuTone, they'll pack away bonus bucks that should offset any endorsement losses and then some.  I'm now seeing this as more a statement against the PGA Tour and Monahan's heavy handed approach which, when the final history is written on this saga, may go down as his worst decision.

They (PGA) probably should just let them play these, Asian, Euro, DP Tour events so long as they meet the (15) event minimum.  The LIV Tour has tried to schedule much of their events around the PGA Tour (at least majors and key events like Memorial, etc.).  The odds of LIV or any new tour taking a significant bite out of the PGA's Big Apple is low.  Personally, I think the suspensions, bans, fines, and threats are going to backfire.  I also believe we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg and many more players will leave (or play an event and take their chances).

One thing for sure is that, at least for awhile, this will be an interesting chess-game to follow inside the game of professional golf.

 

I agree with you, the PGA tour should not have made a big of an issue of it and the league would probably flame out.  Some of that I am sure was Norman's involvement and the PGA Tour 'office' types wanting to stick it to him.  Another contributing factor I believe is they weren't getting any money out of it.

I believe you are wrong about one thing though....Tommy Tutone is forever!!!  I have used 867-5309 as my phone number countless times over the years when asked for it at a checkout register and will do so until I check out permanently!   

[BIG STU]

1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

I don't see the likes of a Kevin Na, Garcia, Johnson, etc. planning on any re-qualifying for the PGA Tour.  As it stands now without LIV, they can walk away from professional golf and not want for much.  Even if the Shark Tour only lasts as long as Tommy TuTone, they'll pack away bonus bucks that should offset any endorsement losses and then some.  I'm now seeing this as more a statement against the PGA Tour and Monahan's heavy handed approach which, when the final history is written on this saga, may go down as his worst decision.

They (PGA) probably should just let them play these, Asian, Euro, DP Tour events so long as they meet the (15) event minimum.  The LIV Tour has tried to schedule much of their events around the PGA Tour (at least majors and key events like Memorial, etc.).  The odds of LIV or any new tour taking a significant bite out of the PGA's Big Apple is low.  Personally, I think the suspensions, bans, fines, and threats are going to backfire.  I also believe we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg and many more players will leave (or play an event and take their chances).

One thing for sure is that, at least for awhile, this will be an interesting chess-game to follow inside the game of professional golf.

 

I was basically thinking the same thing myself. This whole thing may end up being great enterainment especially when the lawyers get involved. LOL got the iced tea cooling and the pop corn popper loaded and waiting. 

[BIG STU]

36 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

I agree with you, the PGA tour should not have made a big of an issue of it and the league would probably flame out.  Some of that I am sure was Norman's involvement and the PGA Tour 'office' types wanting to stick it to him.  Another contributing factor I believe is they weren't getting any money out of it.

I believe you are wrong about one thing though....Tommy Tutone is forever!!!  I have used 867-5309 as my phone number countless times over the years when asked for it at a checkout register and will do so until I check out permanently!   

I have used 651 ( Murrells Inlet prefix) 0812 do not know if it is someones number or not. I can remember when that song was popular it was actually the real phone number of Gaston County High School in Gastonia NC. They had to put an appeal on local news media for people to stop calling and asking for Jenny

[BIG STU]

40 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

I agree with you, the PGA tour should not have made a big of an issue of it and the league would probably flame out.  Some of that I am sure was Norman's involvement and the PGA Tour 'office' types wanting to stick it to him.  Another contributing factor I believe is they weren't getting any money out of it.

I believe you are wrong about one thing though....Tommy Tutone is forever!!!  I have used 867-5309 as my phone number countless times over the years when asked for it at a checkout register and will do so until I check out permanently!   

I think Norman being involved got it fanned a little but when Phil stepped in the whole thing blew up like Mt Saint Helens

[fixyurdivot]

Jay Monahan (circa 2067)... still waiting for Phil's apology. 

[MattWillGolf]

4 hours ago, BIG STU said:

I was basically thinking the same thing myself. This whole thing may end up being great enterainment especially when the lawyers get involved. LOL got the iced tea cooling and the pop corn popper loaded and waiting. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

With guys terminating their memberships with the PGA tour, one has to think that the legal matter was probably on the favor of the tour at least from the players aspect of trying to get around punishment.

Wonder if we see any legal action from Norman or the tour against the PGA tour or is he/they satisfied to get some names like Phil and DJ

[BIG STU]

47 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

With guys terminating their memberships with the PGA tour, one has to think that the legal matter was probably on the favor of the tour at least from the players aspect of trying to get around punishment.

Wonder if we see any legal action from Norman or the tour against the PGA tour or is he/they satisfied to get some names like Phil and DJ

As they say on some of the FB Videos----- wait for it---- I guarentee there is some moving and plotting going on behind closed doors on all sides.

Looking on some of my FB feeds there is all sort of things being said. Now they are saying on some of them that Trump is also backing the LIV thing. I do know 2 of the events are being played at his courses. All kinds of rumors are flying right now--- Like I said a while ago I am sitting back absorbing all this information or non information and the iced tea and pop corn popper are ready

Edited June 7, 2022 by BIG STU

[BIG STU]

1 hour ago, MattWillGolf said:

No joke I do have a big pop corn popper like you see at the movie theatres etc. I got it a few years back for free when a guy I know closed his business. Honestly I have never used it have it over in the storage building. Thing would probably hold a pound of butter and at least 2 quarts of pop corn. Mine is on wheels looks like a old timey stagecoach

[MattWillGolf]

4 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

No joke I do have a big pop corn popper like you see at the movie theatres etc. I got it a few years back for free when a guy I know closed his business. Honestly I have never used it have it over in the storage building. Thing would probably hold a pound of butter and at least 2 quarts of pop corn. Mine is on wheels looks like a old timey stagecoach

My old boss had one sitting in his home theater.