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18 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

5 wins in nearly 500 starts. Basically a 37 year old journeyman. Like many of the names on the list for the first even him not playing the pga tour doesn’t hurt anyone. The bonus of less slow play is a win for the fans.

As far as him quitting, he lost the game of chicken

100% agree.

 

33 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

You may be on to something here. This could be where the tour sends it's slowest players. It's a smaller field and no cut 54 holes so could be perfect  for slow players.

Helps pick the speed up for the tour and Liv will get it's players.

I see this as a convenient solution to another problem…as you mention…

If I am a KF player, I see some of these older guys leaving as a huge opportunity for play.

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1 hour ago, bens197 said:

100% agree.

 

I see this as a convenient solution to another problem…as you mention…

If I am a KF player, I see some of these older guys leaving as a huge opportunity for play.

I think it definitely opens a door for them. Makes getting into events easier based on current seeding, guys outside the top 125 and in that 125-150 range should get more chances 

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12 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Do you think he had Ryder Cup potential?

Given the depth of the US team i don't know if he had any chance even if he stayed.

Or was he on assistant side of things?

His name came-up last time around due to some success in match-play, but not really sure he was going to be on a team, but this guarantees his name doesn’t even get brought-up 

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9 hours ago, bens197 said:

So the Tour loses one of the most boring and slowest players in competition.  K, bye.

 

 

... From the outside looking in, Na has never cared about his fellow competitors. Slow play with zero concern how it effects others play and that lecturing DJ was just so unprofessional. Do it on the next tee when the cameras weren't on them. I'm with you. bye. 

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Dustin Johnson, Sergio Garcia, Kevin Na … I’m a very casual fan when it comes to watching professional golf, but I think I’m to see a pattern here. Are there any players joining the LIV tour that can be considered fan favorites?

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7 hours ago, berkeleybob said:

Dustin Johnson, Sergio Garcia, Kevin Na … I’m a very casual fan when it comes to watching professional golf, but I think I’m to see a pattern here. Are there any players joining the LIV tour that can be considered fan favorites?

I guess it depends on what you call a fan favorites.  Most “fan favorites” are the players in their prime and playing well; basically the big names in golf that a casual or non golfer might know.  Players like Westwood, McDowell, and Oosthuizen are beyond their peak but still garner attention when playing well.   There are a couple of up and comers like Gooch and Swafford but they won’t put people in the seats of any event but we’re starting to establish themselves.   Most of the people on this board are US based so we don’t necessarily know all the names on the DP Tour that you might know better being in Europe.    

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On 6/5/2022 at 9:12 AM, Shapotomous said:

I have to believe the business advisors for these guys are working every angle from a legal standpoint since as the player loses sponsors the business managers lose their percentage as well.  

I have said this all along--- All of the lawyers for all parties have been circling the wagons in full CYA mode since this started

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On 6/5/2022 at 8:10 AM, Golf2Much said:

Let me offer a little different twist on this.  By Na resigning before the LIV event the PGA Tour shouldn't have any grounds to take action against him for playing because he's not an official member.  So, if the LIV fails or Na becomes disenchanted with league (or the politics associated with it), since he wasn't officially sanctioned it theoretically should be easier for him to seek reinstatement to the Tour.  

Now I am going to throw another Monkey Wrench into this scenerio---- With him resigning and no longer being a member if he wanted to come back then would he not have to go back to the Korn Ferry or requalify in some prescribed manner as if he had never been a member??

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12 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

Now I am going to throw another Monkey Wrench into this scenerio---- With him resigning and no longer being a member if he wanted to come back then would he not have to go back to the Korn Ferry or requalify in some prescribed manner as if he had never been a member??

He probably figures that would be easier than trying to get back in after whatever discipline/punishment would come his way had he not resigned. 

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Hypothetically, what stops these guys from playing in tournaments on, say sponsor exemptions?  

Or for the Masters?  Has Augusta said anything about Dustin or Sergio no longer being welcome as past champions?

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I would be surprised if augusta bowed to pressure from the tour.  They dont like to be forced into anything, it would have to be their idea to be a good idea.

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52 minutes ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

He probably figures that would be easier than trying to get back in after whatever discipline/punishment would come his way had he not resigned. 

The exact punishment hasn’t been specified by the tour but it could be a fine or suspension which means he would be able to come back after the fine was paid or the suspension period ended. The other punishments mentioned was lifetime ban, which means there’s no coming back. 

So the KFT might not be the easiest way back had he just taken the punishment 

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19 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The exact punishment hasn’t been specified by the tour but it could be a fine or suspension which means he would be able to come back after the fine was paid or the suspension period ended. The other punishments mentioned was lifetime ban, which means there’s no coming back. 

So the KFT might not be the easiest way back had he just taken the punishment 

Good Point. So I guess the biggest issue would be whether the tour could enforce a lifetime ban right?

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40 minutes ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

Good Point. So I guess the biggest issue would be whether the tour could enforce a lifetime ban right?

From everything I have read all the punishments(fines/suspensions/bans) are for breaching the contract sign to play in the pga tour. There Na resigning means the tour has no basis for a ban should that be the route they go. He never played in a competing tour without permission while under contract. 
 

Yes he will have to requalify if he chooses to return but the PGA Tour now has zero legal ground to issue any punishment to him now or in the future from what I see

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1 minute ago, blackngold_blood said:

From everything I have read all the punishments(fines/suspensions/bans) are for breaching the contract sign to play in the pga tour. There Na resigning means the tour has no basis for a ban should that be the route they go. He never played in a competing tour without permission while under contract. 
 

Yes he will have to requalify if he chooses to return but the PGA Tour now has zero legal ground to issue any punishment to him now or in the future from what I see

 

... What I don't know not even considering LIV, and maybe someone more legally astute than I would know whether there are any rules concerning quitting the tour and then attempting to join again. 

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51 minutes ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

Good Point. So I guess the biggest issue would be whether the tour could enforce a lifetime ban right?

Based on the current agreement they have in place yes. Will it hold up in court, don’t know, but that’s what several Of the posts in here and other related threads have wondered too as well as lawyers on all sides have already been putting in hours looking at all the legalese 

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15 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... What I don't know not even considering LIV, and maybe someone more legally astute than I would know whether there are any rules concerning quitting the tour and then attempting to join again. 

Very true. It may not even have been considered before. 
 

As far as the lifetime bans go,  players exemptions are what get them a contract offer from the tour each year. If I understand it correctly, the pga tour doesn’t have to offer those contracts(reguardless of exemptions) therefore they could suspend the players for the rest of this year and simply not offer contracts to those players next year.  
 

To go a step further, if DJ has signed a contract stating lifetime exemption to the tour due to his 20 wins then that can muddy the waters even more. 

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5 hours ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

He probably figures that would be easier than trying to get back in after whatever discipline/punishment would come his way had he not resigned. 

Good Point but I will tell you CFT would be rough on him at his age and with all the College hot shots coming up every year.

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15 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Good Point but I will tell you CFT would be rough on him at his age and with all the College hot shots coming up every year.

I don't see the likes of a Kevin Na, Garcia, Johnson, etc. planning on any re-qualifying for the PGA Tour.  As it stands now without LIV, they can walk away from professional golf and not want for much.  Even if the Shark Tour only lasts as long as Tommy TuTone, they'll pack away bonus bucks that should offset any endorsement losses and then some.  I'm now seeing this as more a statement against the PGA Tour and Monahan's heavy handed approach which, when the final history is written on this saga, may go down as his worst decision.

They (PGA) probably should just let them play these, Asian, Euro, DP Tour events so long as they meet the (15) event minimum.  The LIV Tour has tried to schedule much of their events around the PGA Tour (at least majors and key events like Memorial, etc.).  The odds of LIV or any new tour taking a significant bite out of the PGA's Big Apple is low.  Personally, I think the suspensions, bans, fines, and threats are going to backfire.  I also believe we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg and many more players will leave (or play an event and take their chances).

One thing for sure is that, at least for awhile, this will be an interesting chess-game to follow inside the game of professional golf.

 

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