MGS Forum Now and Moving Forward

[TBS]

Just to be clear - Mods are doing a great job with what they have. Thanks for continuing to advocate on behalf of the user.

[bens197]

11 minutes ago, TBS said:

Just to be clear - Mods are doing a great job with what they have. Thanks for continuing to advocate on behalf of the user.

Mods don't get enough credit IMO.  

TBH, this thread has opened my eyes to a lot of things I rarely considered on the forum.  While it may or may not have taken the direction they intended, it was necessary to have this discussion.

[TBS]

8 minutes ago, bens197 said:

Mods don't get enough credit IMO.  

TBH, this thread has opened my eyes to a lot of things I rarely considered on the forum.  While it may or may not have taken the direction they intended, it was necessary to have this discussion.

A truly thankless job

[GolfSpy MPR]

22 minutes ago, TBS said:

A truly thankless job

On the contrary: you guys often thank us. And we're grateful for that

[MyWifesSwingCoach]

5 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

On the contrary: you guys often thank us. And we're grateful for that

Well I think I speak on behalf of all of us when I say that we thank you for your gratefulness of our thanks 

Edited June 23, 2022 by MyWifesSwingCoach
Clarity

[chisag]

2 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

On the contrary: you guys often thank us. And we're grateful for that

 

... You guys are a little more active here and I love that because I have experienced mods that post little but have enormous ego's or a Hall Monitor mentality. Kinda like Umps that when they do their job well are mostly unnoticed and some even interact, talking with coaches during the game like we are all a part of the same thing. Too many act like dictators and never attempt a relationship with anyone on the field. I was coaching my sons team in the first round of the playoffs and we had an actual minor league ump on the bases helping out because of the heavy playoff schedule of games. Play at third and a quick throw to second got the trail runner by a good 2 feet but the ump called him safe and the stands went ballistic. I called time and when I went out to talk to him he held up his hand and said "Before you start, I may have missed that call coach. My vision was a little blocked and I could not see the tag but had to make a call and from where I was standing behind 3rd it looked like he may have made it back to the bag but it was a 50-50 call and I may have made the wrong one."  I never heard that kind of honesty from an ump and was very appreciative. I told him thanks for the honesty and I was going to put up a little fight for the parents in the stands but understood he could not change the call. He smiled and said "well, have at me then". So I did a little acting and then went back to the dugout. He would have made a good Mod. 

[Hacker1]

Have more testing for people who are just hackers and love the game, people who have clubs from 1980-2000 and give them new game improvement and super game improvement clubs and see what the real world difference is, see how it really improves the game experience. I would be a great candidate for that.

Ditto for GPS devices see how better it is vs golfers who just step off the yardages from the red, white and blue stakes or course markers.

Same for shoes I used to wear golf shoes (with metal spikes) but now just runners, give a test of new FJ PRO Sl to see how great they are.

Bring back the average Joe and Jane golfer who just have fun and how they can improve their game, convince these people that it is to just marketing BS about new clubs.

Great that there is golf pools, easy office etc as it is fun to play.

With sky high inflation, covid, supply chain issues, world events (war), etc. it would be nice to be more inclusive for hacker golfers who love the game but aren't the people who constantly buy ever new model of clubs, clothes and accessories and just have some fun for regular people.

[Golfspy_CG2]

3 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

On the contrary: you guys often thank us. And we're grateful for that

I echo this, I do get a great sense of appreciation from almost every member on here, and we truly do appreciate that fact. 

[Golfspy_CG2]

2 minutes ago, Hacker1 said:

Have more testing for people who are just hackers and love the game, people who have clubs from 1980-2000 and give them new game improvement and super game improvement clubs and see what the real world difference is, see how it really improves the game experience. I would be a great candidate for that.

Ditto for GPS devices see how better it is vs golfers who just step off the yardages from the red, white and blue stakes or course markers.

Same for shoes I used to wear golf shoes (with metal spikes) but now just runners, give a test of new FJ PRO Sl to see how great they are.

Bring back the average Joe and Jane golfer who just have fun and how they can improve their game, convince these people that it is to just marketing BS about new clubs.

Great that there is golf pools, easy office etc as it is fun to play.

With sky high inflation, covid, supply chain issues, world events (war), etc. it would be nice to be more inclusive for hacker golfers who love the game but aren't the people who constantly buy ever new model of clubs, clothes and accessories and just have some fun for regular people.

Thanks for the post and comments.

I see from your join date of July last year, you probably aren't aware of this.

Just about every test we do, we get a wide mix of handicaps from scratch to 20+ (unless the OEM specifically puts something out there that is designed for the better player--like with the PING Blueprint that @Shankster tested a few years ago, PING specifically wanted a low single digit player.  It wouldn't have served anyone's purpose to have those in the hand of a 20 handicap.

I do like the ideas of different gadgets to see if they improve, and we have done that as well, looked for testers that had never used a GPS system before and had them test one to see how it changed affected their games.

Shoes, we did that with SQAIRZ last year and put their claims of improved clubhead speed to test.  Check out those reviews, Tom did a particually fantastic job backing up his findings with data.

We have also discussed the hope/need to get soem training aids in that can be used year round.  Again, did that with ExPutt two years ago that was a huge hit. 

Hopefully our testing opportunties will improve and get back to what they once were, if not this year then perhaps next year.

 

[Hacker1]

13 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Thanks for the post and comments.

I see from your join date of July last year, you probably aren't aware of this.

Just about every test we do, we get a wide mix of handicaps from scratch to 20+ (unless the OEM specifically puts something out there that is designed for the better player--like with the PING Blueprint that @Shankster tested a few years ago, PING specifically wanted a low single digit player.  It wouldn't have served anyone's purpose to have those in the hand of a 20 handicap.

I do like the ideas of different gadgets to see if they improve, and we have done that as well, looked for testers that had never used a GPS system before and had them test one to see how it changed affected their games.

Shoes, we did that with SQAIRZ last year and put their claims of improved clubhead speed to test.  Check out those reviews, Tom did a particually fantastic job backing up his findings with data.

We have also discussed the hope/need to get soem training aids in that can be used year round.  Again, did that with ExPutt two years ago that was a huge hit. 

Hopefully our testing opportunties will improve and get back to what they once were, if not this year then perhaps next year.

 

Thanks for the reply. Just seems to be a good idea to go after regular golfers who shoot 95+ and use older equipment, accessories, clothes, no technology and see if there are really any improvements to be had to

1. make the game more fun

 2. lower scores

3. be more consistent on shots (lowest right left dispersion is key, followed by distance consistency)

4. speed up play

5. give real value for money in tough tight economic times

6. be more inclusive and diverse to both hackers and wanna be pros..

Tired of all the BS marketing hype every year we al know average scores are not improving, Heck why not do a real hacker test of old clubs vs new GI pr SGI (eg. Ping G425, G710, TA 845 etc.) vs old clubs and see what the difference is, you need people who regularly play  old clubs for this test and use a launch monitor and play on their regular course to report the findings.

[Golfspy_CG2]

33 minutes ago, Hacker1 said:

Thanks for the reply. Just seems to be a good idea to go after regular golfers who shoot 95+ and use older equipment, accessories, clothes, no technology and see if there are really any improvements to be had to

1. make the game more fun

 2. lower scores

3. be more consistent on shots (lowest right left dispersion is key, followed by distance consistency)

4. speed up play

5. give real value for money in tough tight economic times

6. be more inclusive and diverse to both hackers and wanna be pros..

Tired of all the BS marketing hype every year we al know average scores are not improving, Heck why not do a real hacker test of old clubs vs new GI pr SGI (eg. Ping G425, G710, TA 845 etc.) vs old clubs and see what the difference is, you need people who regularly play  old clubs for this test and use a launch monitor and play on their regular course to report the findings.

That would be an interesting test and definitely something we’ll kick around in the MOD group. 
 

Also our unofficial review threads would be a good place for someone to do that with their own sets if they wanted.  Review their 12 year old G2 vs a new G425 or something like that 

[Hacker1]

Just now, Golfspy_CG2 said:

That would be an interesting test and definitely something we’ll kick around in the MOD group. 
 

Also our unofficial review threads would be a good place for someone to do that with their own sets if they wanted.  Review their 12 year old G2 vs a new G425 or something like that 

Please keep me in mind for this.

I am sure TA and Ping would really like this as these  clubs that were big advancements "Ping Eye 2 TA 845 and all the knock offs" created because of those two iconic brands real advancement, similar to creation of Big Bertha metal woods.

[chisag]

3 hours ago, Hacker1 said:

Bring back the average Joe and Jane golfer who just have fun and how they can improve their game, convince these people that it is to just marketing BS about new clubs.

 

... Marketing is no more BS than any other product under Capitalism. The purpose of Marketing/Advertising is to get your attention. It is then up to you, the prospective buyer to do their own research whether that is demoing products or looking online for reviews. I believe this is true for all levels. The Cobra LTDx Max may produce longer and more accurate drives for a high index player that tends to slice more than fade and the LTDx LS may produce less spin and faster ball speeds for the low index player. Then again, they may not. I just don't read or see any adds I find misleading or BS. Hyped up? Absolutely. That said, whether or not it will improve your game or if it does, by how much is certainly open for skepticism. Say the new, better, most awesome, best yet driver increases forgiveness by 4%. Is that even noticeable for the majority of people that play golf? Same for distance and accuracy, how much is improvement enough over your club to actually buy the product? 

... Fwiw lets break down this marketing from Cobra:

"The LTDx driver is the ultimate distance machine. Using PWR-COR Technology we were able to achieve zero CG and 5200 MOI for the first time to create a driver unlike any other. One that combines low spin, fast ball speed, and extreme forgiveness to deliver the Longest Total Distance."

The LTDx driver is the ultimate distance machine. A bunch of nothing that sounds good. "Ultimate distance" doesn't even claim longest. 

Using PWR-COR Technology we were able to achieve zero CG and 5200 MOI for the first time to create a driver unlike any other. Zero CG/5200 MOI are technically true so no fault with this as it doesn't even say how it will effect you let alone if it will improve your driving. And of course it is a driver "unlike any other" but so is every driver every oem sells. 

One that combines low spin, fast ball speed, and extreme forgiveness to deliver the Longest Total Distance. Statistically it does produce low spin, fast ball speed and extreme forgiveness. Now Longest Total Distance is really pushing the envelope imo as compared to what? Their own previous drivers? Other Oem drivers? But since most every driver sold makes a similar claim you can't call out Cobra on this one point. 

... I get many think tricking consumers with BS is the bailiwick of the evil golf companies but I have talked to many engineers for most every OEM and they are very serious about producing an improved product that helps golfers of all levels. Sales of course are a different animal and to say they care more about money than golfers would not get an argument from me. But most OEMs have demo days at clubs, ranges and golf stores to try their clubs and compare to what you are playing and if anyone chooses not take advantage of these or most golf stores that have launch monitors and buy a club based on Marketing, they deserve whatever they get. 

[russtopherb]

1 hour ago, chisag said:

... I get many think tricking consumers with BS is the bailiwick of the evil golf companies but I have talked to many engineers for most every OEM and they are very serious about producing an improved product that helps golfers of all levels. Sales of course are a different animal and to say they care more about money than golfers would not get an argument from me. But most OEMs have demo days at clubs, ranges and golf stores to try their clubs and compare to what you are playing and if anyone chooses not take advantage of these or most golf stores that have launch monitors and buy a club based on Marketing, they deserve whatever they get. 

Stop it with the logic and common sense. This is the internet. There’s no place for that here. 

[jddaigneault]

Late to the game here, but I’ll throw my two cents in. 

I came for the testing opportunities, like many. They’ve been lackluster of late, and as I scroll through the latest threads looking for where I might add a post I find myself not coming across anything of interest to me. 

I like contributing to threads where people are asking or sharing advice on the game or on equipment. Frankly, anything else is not something I’ll end up on a golf forum for. 

I do enjoy the community aspect. @xOldBenKenobiXis just a wonderful human. Perhaps something that can improve the forum is boosting that aspect. I liked the stuff that was started with the GRINT, and would love to become friends with more people on that app. Perhaps some just for fun formats that involve people across the country teaming up to play some golf and talk some smack? It’d lead to discussion about rounds/shots/equipment I think we’ve gotten away from. 

Because this is a relatively small community a lot of us have already helped one another learn a lot and without a new stimulus injected the conversation just becomes a bit flat and redundant. Without new opportunities for testing, and enough to both feed the forum faithful and the newbies, it will be tough to grow the membership to allow a crop of new golfers to benefit from the forum experience and reignite old discussions. 

Sorry if this comes off as a bit pessimistic, I’ve found myself logging in daily and just not getting excited about a lot of the threads. Which stinks. I miss finding reasons to talk smack with the likes of @GolfSpy_BOS, beyond his fantasy golf standings looking eerily similar to that of the Red Sox…. And to hear more club ho stories from @dlow206
 

 

[MyWifesSwingCoach]

7 hours ago, jddaigneault said:

I do enjoy the community aspect. @xOldBenKenobiXis just a wonderful human. Perhaps something that can improve the forum is boosting that aspect

I second this wholeheartedly, the community is what will make people stay. 

P.S. Hey @xOldBenKenobiX, I know its been awhile but I am available for a round whenever you are up to it. Make sure you heal that wrist up.

[mynerds]

21 hours ago, chisag said:

bailiwick

Not going to lie, had to look this word up. Remind me to never play scrabble with you.

Heck of a post, and can't say I disagree with any of it particularly as someone who has LTDx clubs being built for them now. Marketing and PR crafts their words very carefully. So long as the engineers are doing their best on the back-end, I don't care what color lipstick the pig has.

[GolfSpy BOS]

16 hours ago, jddaigneault said:

Late to the game here, but I’ll throw my two cents in. 

I came for the testing opportunities, like many. They’ve been lackluster of late, and as I scroll through the latest threads looking for where I might add a post I find myself not coming across anything of interest to me. 

I like contributing to threads where people are asking or sharing advice on the game or on equipment. Frankly, anything else is not something I’ll end up on a golf forum for. 

I do enjoy the community aspect. @xOldBenKenobiXis just a wonderful human. Perhaps something that can improve the forum is boosting that aspect. I liked the stuff that was started with the GRINT, and would love to become friends with more people on that app. Perhaps some just for fun formats that involve people across the country teaming up to play some golf and talk some smack? It’d lead to discussion about rounds/shots/equipment I think we’ve gotten away from. 

Because this is a relatively small community a lot of us have already helped one another learn a lot and without a new stimulus injected the conversation just becomes a bit flat and redundant. Without new opportunities for testing, and enough to both feed the forum faithful and the newbies, it will be tough to grow the membership to allow a crop of new golfers to benefit from the forum experience and reignite old discussions. 

Sorry if this comes off as a bit pessimistic, I’ve found myself logging in daily and just not getting excited about a lot of the threads. Which stinks. I miss finding reasons to talk smack with the likes of @GolfSpy_BOS, beyond his fantasy golf standings looking eerily similar to that of the Red Sox…. And to hear more club ho stories from @dlow206
 

 

Wait the Sox and I are both on a heater?! Or do we suck? I can’t tell… which means we’re probably mediocre…. Which means we suck!

[jddaigneault]

1 hour ago, GolfSpy_BOS said:

Wait the Sox and I are both on a heater?! Or do we suck? I can’t tell… which means we’re probably mediocre…. Which means we suck!

I still can’t believe they traded Mookie. 

[Bobbers]

On 6/20/2022 at 5:58 AM, jlukes said:

100% agreed that the new testing section is awful. 
 

in fact, most of the forum organization is bad. From the name of sub forums to a “hall of fame” sub forum that had a collection of random popular threads. 
 

It’s a literal chore to browse the forums and I’ve been here for 7 years. Imagine how confused a potential new member is

As a newer member compared to those posting in this thread I can attest to that.

I've made a few threads but unless it's clear cut subject, say it's about a putter, I'm baffled at where the best place to start a thread might be.  Which makes me hesitant to appear stupid which makes me self-edit, which makes me shut up.

Which I shall do right now...

[sirchunksalot]

33 minutes ago, Bobbers said:

I'm baffled at where the best place to start a thread might be.  Which makes me hesitant to appear stupid which makes me self-edit, which makes me shut up.

My best advice would be just to be yourself. The members here are accepting and willing to engage in all sorts of discussion. That's what I love about this forum, it's a welcoming place. 

[Shankster]

On 6/23/2022 at 10:17 AM, jlukes said:

See this happen so often in corporate america.  Somebody new comes in and they want to change things to put their mark on things.  

No voice of customer was done.  No surveys done prior to the changes to see what people actually wanted.  It was a selfish "look at me" change that nobody wanted or asked for

You should see my line of work.  
 

“WE ARE GONNA CHANGE EVERYTHING FOR NO GOOD REASON.”

But…

”IT WILL WORK 110% BETTER THAN THE LAST.”

But it wasn’t broken to begin with, and we are going back to the late 80’s technology.

”GET ON THE TRAIN OR GET RAN OVER.”

This happens pretty much every year.  It’s wonderful.  Changing something just to change it has never worked, and it usually only benefits the few people, or person that came up with it on their next eval…

Not saying that’s what’s going on here, but adding to your comments a smidge.

[GolfSpy_APH]

The mod team will be going over many many of these points Monday on our bi weekly staff meeting. 

Added to that with Wife and Baby gone for a month I should have more time to look/make some simplifying changes.

I'll also add I've put a email to our dev who created the testing system to see what further integration we can do or what is possible and am waiting on response.

[jddaigneault]

14 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

The mod team will be going over many many of these points Monday on our bi weekly staff meeting. 

Added to that with Wife and Baby gone for a month I should have more time to look/make some simplifying changes.

I'll also add I've put a email to our dev who created the testing system to see what further integration we can do or what is possible and am waiting on response.

How are you going to handle a month without them?! Kudos to you for being able to do that man. Idk if I’d make it. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

9 hours ago, jddaigneault said:

How are you going to handle a month without them?! Kudos to you for being able to do that man. Idk if I’d make it. 

I'm lucky that the time will fly by. Work is it's busiest time for me in July and August with being the only curling center open in Europe.

That and dogs and golf will keep me busy. Will miss them like crazy of course, but it's been over a year and a half since she has been back to Canada and her family has yet to meet Ivan so definitely excited for them.

[jddaigneault]

5 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I'm lucky that the time will fly by. Work isn't it's busiest time for me in July and August with being the only curling center open in Europe.

That and dogs and golf will keep me busy. Will miss them like crazy of course, but it's been over a year and a half since she has been back to Canada and her family has yet to meet Ivan so definitely excited for them.

I’ve always wanted to try curling. It seems like a ton of fun, and is likely way harder than people think. 

[dlow206]

On 6/23/2022 at 11:29 PM, jddaigneault said:

Late to the game here, but I’ll throw my two cents in. 

I came for the testing opportunities, like many. They’ve been lackluster of late, and as I scroll through the latest threads looking for where I might add a post I find myself not coming across anything of interest to me. 

I like contributing to threads where people are asking or sharing advice on the game or on equipment. Frankly, anything else is not something I’ll end up on a golf forum for. 

I do enjoy the community aspect. @xOldBenKenobiXis just a wonderful human. Perhaps something that can improve the forum is boosting that aspect. I liked the stuff that was started with the GRINT, and would love to become friends with more people on that app. Perhaps some just for fun formats that involve people across the country teaming up to play some golf and talk some smack? It’d lead to discussion about rounds/shots/equipment I think we’ve gotten away from. 

Because this is a relatively small community a lot of us have already helped one another learn a lot and without a new stimulus injected the conversation just becomes a bit flat and redundant. Without new opportunities for testing, and enough to both feed the forum faithful and the newbies, it will be tough to grow the membership to allow a crop of new golfers to benefit from the forum experience and reignite old discussions. 

Sorry if this comes off as a bit pessimistic, I’ve found myself logging in daily and just not getting excited about a lot of the threads. Which stinks. I miss finding reasons to talk smack with the likes of @GolfSpy_BOS, beyond his fantasy golf standings looking eerily similar to that of the Red Sox…. And to hear more club ho stories from @dlow206
 

 

I don't have any good recent stories these days, not sure what happened to me. The only clubs on my mind right now are putters, but not really to game. I'm good with my Ping PLD custom, but would like a Circle T wall hanger. And a Bettinardi hive wall hanger. 

[MaxEntropy]

I'll admit that I have not read past the first page yet, but I have seen a lot of posts already that I am in full agreement with. Maybe I'm adding nothing new, but here goes:

1) Overall attitude of HQ. I don't know if my "fan-boi" status has changed, they have changed, or both, but I'm no longer much of a fan of HQ. Why is there no marketing or interaction between HQ and the forums?

2) Staff changes. I'm going to be blunt. I do not like the current direction of the forum and I can only assume it is a result of the mod/admin changes. Granted, I have not been around that much recently as a result of my opinions, but @GolfSpy_APH and @GolfSpy_BOS are the only two that seem to be around and interact much. I can only assume the others are doing a ton behind the scenes because they don't seem very visible. Did the new admin bite off more than he could chew at the time he took over? I can't judge that, but one of the focus group DM's in which feedback was being collected for him went unread by him for weeks/months at a time. It's hard to claim you care about the opinions of others when you make no effort to get the opinions.

3) The new testing page rollout was a disaster. There was no change management, it just happened. I was part of the Callaway Epic test last year and the comments/interactions were way, way, way down compared to a comparable test prior to the change. I have to assume that means companies like Callaway see and notice fewer eyeballs and question the investment. Obviously I have no way of knowing if that had any effect or if HQ has burned bridges, but fewer eyeballs is never a good thing.

I originally came here for a testing opportunity and stuck around because I learned a lot about equipment very quickly. I've been very fortunate in testing and most of my bag is a direct result of tests, but that was not the reason I stuck around. It was certainly a fringe benefit, but I stuck around for the community and have met some great people face-to-face and online as a result of this place.

I feel like the forum is suffering from an identity crisis. I have no doubt the forum will survive as long as Adam sees fit to allow it to continue, even without the big tests we have gotten used to, but to thrive I feel like someone needs to figure out what we want to be and market it appropriately.

[ejgaudette]

9 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said:

I feel like the forum is suffering from an identity crisis. I have no doubt the forum will survive as long as Adam sees fit to allow it to continue, even without the big tests we have gotten used to, but to thrive I feel like someone needs to figure out what we want to be and market it appropriately.

I have been think about this last part a bit lately, what should MSG forum be. I think the natural analog to a blog mostly about testing equipment with regular golfers for Most Wanted Testing and Testing soft goods, would be a forum built around testing and the real world experience of everyday golfers (or at least as close to everyday golfer as a group that likes to talk about golf in their free time can be).

With that being said why couldn't we leverage existing relationships with OEMs and those small brands the HQ has advertising that have clearly become a testing priority to become the home of user testing. That and the expansion of the unofficial tests could really create a great tove of information for interested users to find. That with better search engine SEO work mentioned above I think could really help drive up the engagement. Probably a bit of a pipe dream.

Of course if that is not the goal then scrap all that and make the smaller tweaks to make existing testing easier to find would be my first priority.

[GolfSpy_APH]

28 minutes ago, ejgaudette said:

I have been think about this last part a bit lately, what should MSG forum be. I think the natural analog to a blog mostly about testing equipment with regular golfers for Most Wanted Testing and Testing soft goods, would be a forum built around testing and the real world experience of everyday golfers (or at least as close to everyday golfer as a group that likes to talk about golf in their free time can be).

With that being said why couldn't we leverage existing relationships with OEMs and those small brands the HQ has advertising that have clearly become a testing priority to become the home of user testing. That and the expansion of the unofficial tests could really create a great tove of information for interested users to find. That with better search engine SEO work mentioned above I think could really help drive up the engagement. Probably a bit of a pipe dream.

Of course if that is not the goal then scrap all that and make the smaller tweaks to make existing testing easier to find would be my first priority.

Important to note there is a new member testing platform being tested by several members that integrates in with the current platform we have. So the questions that follow along with it are in my opinion.

1. With a planned streamlining of the forum (yes I'll start some work on that soon) can we cross place the tests. Example if we have a driver sub forum, can test be placed not just in testing, but also in that sub forum? 

2. The testing platform itself and yes there was talk about moving back, altho signups would remain the same. However the new member reviews (unofficial reviews) is based off the new testing platform (meaning if we got a test for say Stealth, then member reviews would also show in there meaning all Stealth reviews, both official and non official in one page/thread). Will it even be adopted as the new system is disliked so much?

3. SEO... well that is in the hands of another Mod as he does digital marketing so hopefully we see progress with that. 

4. I really can't speak to HQ testing. There is no update there and no tests on the horizon so we will see what happens. 

5. What about more HQ involvement? Say we get member calls (zoom and such) where HQ staff will be on and the forum membership can ask questions about say Most Wanted testing when it comes out or Ball Lab call with Tony? Is that something that could help or be of use to membership?