TitleistMike Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I posted in general section with no responses and found this topic area. I bought 70s vintage muscleback iron heads. No shaft. Purely sentimental decision. What would be a good way to get fitted and choose a modern shaft ? I contacted two name brand commercial club fitters for shaft replacing and both only do modern heads. 5 iron head weighs about 18g more than modern 5i. Can I add lead tape to a modern head SAME loft to match weight and loft as starting point. I realize all sorts of cg based issues arise. Looking for good fit (better than TTDG300 default), not perfect set up comparing 1000 shaft choices. When I owned clubs 40 years ago, I had accles pollock stiff shafts. Thanks Quote Driver FW - Titleist 917 Irons 4 to 8 - Titleist T300 2° flat Irons 9 to wedges - George Nicoll Royal musclebacks 70s vintage Putter - Scotty Cameron Select blackout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 either find someone who will do the work or do it yourself MyWifesSwingCoach 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I believe there are adapters for irons that would allow you to more easily swap out a few shafts to compare performance. Maybe @McGolf would know more about this? Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbers Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 4 hours ago, TitleistMike said: I posted in general section with no responses and found this topic area. I bought 70s vintage muscleback iron heads. No shaft. Purely sentimental decision. What would be a good way to get fitted and choose a modern shaft ? I contacted two name brand commercial club fitters for shaft replacing and both only do modern heads. 5 iron head weighs about 18g more than modern 5i. Can I add lead tape to a modern head SAME loft to match weight and loft as starting point. I realize all sorts of cg based issues arise. Looking for good fit (better than TTDG300 default), not perfect set up comparing 1000 shaft choices. When I owned clubs 40 years ago, I had accles pollock stiff shafts. Thanks I'm not sure I completely understand your goal. Are you trying to end up with a current 5i and your retro 5i that are the same exact length and swingweight or ??? Quote Ping G430 Max 10.5* Ping G430 SFT 3 wood and Ping G430 HL 7 wood SR flex Ping G430 4,5,6,7 hybrids SR flex Cleveland Launcher XL Halo 8,9,P,G, SW irons A Flex Cleveland Smart Sole S wedge A Flex Cobra Nova putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleistMike Posted July 17, 2022 Author Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Bobbers said: I'm not sure I completely understand your goal. Are you trying to end up with a current 5i and your retro 5i that are the same exact length and swingweight or ??? My goal is pick shafts that best suit my swing and loft headweight of vintage irons. The available references for a shaft fitting are modern heads. Should I modify headweight of a modern 27 degree to same as vintage 27 degree and evaluate shafts using modern head same weight same loft. The number bottom of iron doesn't matter. Yes or no. Edited July 17, 2022 by TitleistMike Clarify shaft fitting modern heads Quote Driver FW - Titleist 917 Irons 4 to 8 - Titleist T300 2° flat Irons 9 to wedges - George Nicoll Royal musclebacks 70s vintage Putter - Scotty Cameron Select blackout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacTourney Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 10 hours ago, TitleistMike said: My goal is pick shafts that best suit my swing and loft headweight of vintage irons. The available references are modern heads. Should I modify headweight of a modern 27 degree to same as vintage 27 degree and evaluate shafts using modern head same weight same loft. The number bottom of iron doesn't matter. Yes or no. If I understand correctly what you're attempting then this above would be the way to go if you do it, or someone else. Vintage irons generally had heavier heads, longer sockets, weaker lofts, and flatter lies. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Good hand action comes from good body action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleistMike Posted July 17, 2022 Author Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 hours ago, MacTourney said: If I understand correctly what you're attempting then this above would be the way to go if you do it, or someone else. Vintage irons generally had heavier heads, longer sockets, weaker lofts, and flatter lies. Thanks. Needed some affirmation before I visit store for shaft fitting install. Two name brand club fitters already said no, we can't help pickna shaft with a vintage head. Quote Driver FW - Titleist 917 Irons 4 to 8 - Titleist T300 2° flat Irons 9 to wedges - George Nicoll Royal musclebacks 70s vintage Putter - Scotty Cameron Select blackout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbers Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 5 hours ago, TitleistMike said: Thanks. Needed some affirmation before I visit store for shaft fitting install. Two name brand club fitters already said no, we can't help pickna shaft with a vintage head. That statement causes me to wonder why they said that. As you mentioned earlier, the Dynamic Gold shafts were certainly available back then as they are now. What's the hosel diameter of you vintage clubheads? Are they .370 parallel or .355 tapered? Club standard lengths were typically a bit shorter 40 years ago so to get a "comparable" club to what you play now (what DO you play now for irons?) you'd be building a shorter club. If you wanted a length equal to the modern standard you could consider a somewhat heavier grip or use a shaft counterweight to get an equivalent swingweight. Quote Ping G430 Max 10.5* Ping G430 SFT 3 wood and Ping G430 HL 7 wood SR flex Ping G430 4,5,6,7 hybrids SR flex Cleveland Launcher XL Halo 8,9,P,G, SW irons A Flex Cleveland Smart Sole S wedge A Flex Cobra Nova putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGolf Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 5:08 PM, TitleistMike said: I posted in general section with no responses and found this topic area. I bought 70s vintage muscleback iron heads. No shaft. Purely sentimental decision. What would be a good way to get fitted and choose a modern shaft ? I contacted two name brand commercial club fitters for shaft replacing and both only do modern heads. 5 iron head weighs about 18g more than modern 5i. Can I add lead tape to a modern head SAME loft to match weight and loft as starting point. I realize all sorts of cg based issues arise. Looking for good fit (better than TTDG300 default), not perfect set up comparing 1000 shaft choices. When I owned clubs 40 years ago, I had accles pollock stiff shafts. Thanks 70 muscle backs have massive hosels in comparison to those used today moving the COG towards the heel. this can be seen on alot of the best 70s golfers where they found the sweet spot and just hit it in the location. If memory serves the irons were also a 1/2" short than today's standards as well. Hence the extra weight. YES DGs were the choice only becasue there wasn't much else. To find a shaft that will make them play like a model isnt going to happen. becasue they are not modern. However, you can make educated selections on shafts and build to a specification. those dont change (specifications) if you are in the 70s or 2000s. Over coming a heavy head is difficult, adding weight to the butt section will make the SW come down but you just added a bunch of additional weight for the sake of SW. I would suggest a lighter version of the DGs or KBS or Nippons of the same category you prefer. Meaning, if you like or play DGs a DG 105 or KBS tour 105 or modus 105 in the same flex can help. I know they are not the same just throwing out there similar models and lighter weights. fixyurdivot, cnosil, BIG STU and 1 other 4 Quote Driver - 44.5" 5.0 flex 10.5 deg Graphite Design XC 6S GP MCC4+ 1 deg closed Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce Putter - Makefield VS LH Ball - truvis Carried in a Sun Mountain C-130 USA bag - BE PROUD. HC - LH but 85 is a good number, playing in Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleistMike Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Bobbers said: That statement causes me to wonder why they said that. As you mentioned earlier, the Dynamic Gold shafts were certainly available back then as they are now. What's the hosel diameter of you vintage clubheads? Are they .370 parallel or .355 tapered? Club standard lengths were typically a bit shorter 40 years ago so to get a "comparable" club to what you play now (what DO you play now for irons?) you'd be building a shorter club. If you wanted a length equal to the modern standard you could consider a somewhat heavier grip or use a shaft counterweight to get an equivalent swingweight. I play titleist 704cb with dg300. Sub 100 swing speed as I've aged. I believe they are 370 straight. Will leave it to shaft fitter to help there. I am NOT trying to recreate the old clubs. I am not 25 years old with 110 swing speed.. I am trying to figure out technique or process to find the best modern shaft for my 90-95 swing to make the clubs as playable as possible. It would seem best path forward for finding a suitable shaft is get modern head, same loft, and add weight to match vintage head weight and try different shafts on set up. Ive never done iron or shaft fitting so i am learning as i go. Otherwise, anything I do is a blind search Quote Driver FW - Titleist 917 Irons 4 to 8 - Titleist T300 2° flat Irons 9 to wedges - George Nicoll Royal musclebacks 70s vintage Putter - Scotty Cameron Select blackout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbers Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I'm about to hit 72 so I understand decreasing swing speed all too well. I, personally, have gone to graphite shafts throughout my bag with no regrets. The added benefit being a much greater range of choices relative to performance characteristics. Easier on my joints/muscles, the lighter weight helps with swing speed. etc. But that's just me. Quote Ping G430 Max 10.5* Ping G430 SFT 3 wood and Ping G430 HL 7 wood SR flex Ping G430 4,5,6,7 hybrids SR flex Cleveland Launcher XL Halo 8,9,P,G, SW irons A Flex Cleveland Smart Sole S wedge A Flex Cobra Nova putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/17/2022 at 5:16 PM, McGolf said: 70 muscle backs have massive hosels in comparison to those used today moving the COG towards the heel. this can be seen on alot of the best 70s golfers where they found the sweet spot and just hit it in the location. If memory serves the irons were also a 1/2" short than today's standards as well. Hence the extra weight. YES DGs were the choice only becasue there wasn't much else. To find a shaft that will make them play like a model isnt going to happen. becasue they are not modern. However, you can make educated selections on shafts and build to a specification. those dont change (specifications) if you are in the 70s or 2000s. Over coming a heavy head is difficult, adding weight to the butt section will make the SW come down but you just added a bunch of additional weight for the sake of SW. I would suggest a lighter version of the DGs or KBS or Nippons of the same category you prefer. Meaning, if you like or play DGs a DG 105 or KBS tour 105 or modus 105 in the same flex can help. I know they are not the same just throwing out there similar models and lighter weights. It's awesome that we have guys like Jim on the forum to help us out . cnosil, BIG STU and Kenny B 3 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 While not vintage, my 2002 MacGregor Tourney VIP 1025M irons are great looking clubs and still play beautifully. I bought them used in our local golf shop because they were purty, and played them for a year with their DG S300 shafts... not very well I might add. Off to the garage they went, waiting for me to improve from an 18 hcp. Fast forward to last year... I had playing a set of SGI Bridgestone JGR Forged Hybrid irons with the Nippon Zelos 8 regular flex shaft for several years. Loved the feel of them and the lightweight steel shaft seemed to fit my game, although I seriously thought about graphite shafts at the time. So, why couldn't I put the Nippon shafts in the MacGregors? I did. I worried about the SW, but with my midsize Pure grips they all came out at D0, which is just fine for me. I've shot some of my best scores with these. BIG STU and fixyurdivot 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Kenny B said: While not vintage, my 2002 MacGregor Tourney VIP 1025M irons are great looking clubs and still play beautifully. I bought them used in our local golf shop because they were purty, and played them for a year with their DG S300 shafts... not very well I might add. Off to the garage they went, waiting for me to improve from an 18 hcp. Fast forward to last year... I had playing a set of SGI Bridgestone JGR Forged Hybrid irons with the Nippon Zelos 8 regular flex shaft for several years. Loved the feel of them and the lightweight steel shaft seemed to fit my game, although I seriously thought about graphite shafts at the time. So, why couldn't I put the Nippon shafts in the MacGregors? I did. I worried about the SW, but with my midsize Pure grips they all came out at D0, which is just fine for me. I've shot some of my best scores with these. Nice indeed. Okay, now I'm curious... what does "V-Foil" stand for? Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 10 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Nice indeed. Okay, now I'm curious... what does "V-Foil" stand for? I really don't know, except that all of the V-Foil clubs MacGregor produced were touted as having high MOI and forgiveness; sounds no different than any OEM today. I suspect that moving weight around was used; it certainly was for the Bobby Grace V-Foil M5K putter!!! Maybe @BIG STU knows the origin. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Kenny B said: I really don't know, except that all of the V-Foil clubs MacGregor produced were touted as having high MOI and forgiveness; sounds no different than any OEM today. I suspect that moving weight around was used; it certainly was for the Bobby Grace V-Foil M5K putter!!! Maybe @BIG STU knows the origin. Probably much like "Jailbreak Technology" and throngs of other clever marketing terminology aimed at spiking testosterone. BIG STU and Kenny B 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 53 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: Probably much like "Jailbreak Technology" and throngs of other clever marketing terminology aimed at spiking testosterone. There must be something to it. I know the head is a little larger than the typical blade style iron, but these are so easy to hit... just as easy as the Bridgestone JGR and they feel so much better when I hit one very well. I just have to get used to the very weak lofts. So glad that I now have reliable FW at the top of the bag... the Callaway 9W fits nicely after the 4i or as an alternative to it if I need a particularly high shot. BIG STU and fixyurdivot 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Kenny B said: I really don't know, except that all of the V-Foil clubs MacGregor produced were touted as having high MOI and forgiveness; sounds no different than any OEM today. I suspect that moving weight around was used; it certainly was for the Bobby Grace V-Foil M5K putter!!! Maybe @BIG STU knows the origin. Honestly do not know Kenny B and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Kenny B said: There must be something to it. I know the head is a little larger than the typical blade style iron, but these are so easy to hit... just as easy as the Bridgestone JGR and they feel so much better when I hit one very well. I just have to get used to the very weak lofts. So glad that I now have reliable FW at the top of the bag... the Callaway 9W fits nicely after the 4i or as an alternative to it if I need a particularly high shot. Yep we are on the same wavelength--- I now carry a 9 wood and still carry and hit a 4 iron too---- Good example I played 9 this morning and used the signature stuff mainly because we have a little game planned Friday--- Our 3rd hole can be a wicked little par 3 especially when the wind blows like it was this morning. That hole can be a quandry for me. 7 wood is too much and if I open it up I can get it high and get it float spinning. 9 wood I can normally hit there with a high soft cut. But with the wind I knew I could not get it there I played the 4 iron with a low cut to the left side of the green. Even though the course is extremely wet that side is dry. The flag was all the way to the right side. I knew darn well not to go flag hunting with that position. figured I could get it on the green going like I was. If it did not kick I have a open bump and run 5 iron at worst. Yeah it worked ok for me. Hit it where I wanted and ran it onto the left side of the green left me a 25 ft putt. Lagged it up got my par and ran to the cart. Anytime I can par that hole I will take it and run to the cart happy. And BTW right now the V=Foil putter is out of the bag. Nothing wrong with it I just messed around on a vintage round and found an old Spalding TP Mills #9 that I am rolling the potato pretty decent for now Kenny B 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 It makes sense on their newer driver (foil thin face?) but pretty sure hollow-body iron construction came to market long after Kenny's VIP's. So this raises another question; who first introduced "hollow-body" irons? BIG STU 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Probably much like "Jailbreak Technology" and throngs of other clever marketing terminology aimed at spiking testosterone. LOL I call the Jailbreak Technology " Jail Bird Technology" And I call the TM Twist face technology "Twisted Sister Technology" You have to be at least 50 to get that one. I have messed around with a M-6 I have and have control problems with it. LOL people in general think the face twists but not really just the normal trampoline effect. Twist face is a new term for bulge and roll. And yes in the old days I did not like a bunch of bulge and roll in a persimmon driver either. All these adjustable weights in heads and even putters is not anything us old timers have not done in the past with lead tape Edited July 20, 2022 by BIG STU Kenny B and fixyurdivot 1 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/17/2022 at 6:15 PM, Bobbers said: That statement causes me to wonder why they said that. As you mentioned earlier, the Dynamic Gold shafts were certainly available back then as they are now. What's the hosel diameter of you vintage clubheads? Are they .370 parallel or .355 tapered? Club standard lengths were typically a bit shorter 40 years ago so to get a "comparable" club to what you play now (what DO you play now for irons?) you'd be building a shorter club. If you wanted a length equal to the modern standard you could consider a somewhat heavier grip or use a shaft counterweight to get an equivalent swingweight. I can tell you the answer---- they want to do a full club fitting and sell you a full set of new clubs as in mucho $$$$$ Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: It makes sense on their newer driver (foil thin face?) but pretty sure hollow-body iron construction came to market long after Kenny's VIP's. So this raises another question; who first introduced "hollow-body" irons? The MacTec V-Foil woods had a cup-face. I'm not sure who had the first hollow-body irons, but I do remember that the pro at my first course played a hollow-body TaylorMade in the 1990's... so before my VIPs which are not. BIG STU 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: It makes sense on their newer driver (foil thin face?) but pretty sure hollow-body iron construction came to market long after Kenny's VIP's. So this raises another question; who first introduced "hollow-body" irons? There may be others but the first ones I remember were the TM ICI back in the 90s. The 7 to the 3 iron were hollow heads had some kind of foam in them. Mizuno had a driving type iron in that time frame that was hollow sounded like crap. In fact I modified some of the Mizunos in the early 00s by drilling a hole in the thick part of the toe and spraying spray foam in them. Then threaded the hole and loctited a 1/4 by 28 Allen screw in them. Also did the same conversion on those Cleveland Launcher drivers in that time frame. I have a friend of mine who passed his PAT with those old ICIs. He has like 6 sets of them now still plays them much to the annoyance of his TM rep and LOL like yours truly still games V-Steel fairways Kenny B and fixyurdivot 1 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Kenny B said: The MacTec V-Foil woods had a cup-face. I'm not sure who had the first hollow-body irons, but I do remember that the pro at my first course played a hollow-body TaylorMade in the 1990's... so before my VIPs which are not. Why I care, I'm not sure. Having spent the better part of my life in product design and R&D, could be the culprit. I did find this link from Wishon. Not definitive, but it suggests Dynacraft's Innerdyn Irons in 1991? Iron Designs | Wishon Golf Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, BIG STU said: There may be others but the first ones I remember were the TM ICI back in the 90s. The 7 to the 3 iron were hollow heads had some kind of foam in them. Mizuno had a driving type iron in that time frame that was hollow sounded like crap. In fact I modified some of the Mizunos in the early 00s by drilling a hole in the thick part of the toe and spraying spray foam in them. Then threaded the hole and loctited a 1/4 by 28 Allen screw in them. Also did the same conversion on those Cleveland Launcher drivers in that time frame. I have a friend of mine who passed his PAT with those old ICIs. He has like 6 sets of them now still plays them much to the annoyance of his TM rep and LOL like yours truly still games V-Steel fairways Now that's taking DIY club building to the next level... Love It!! BIG STU 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, Kenny B said: The MacTec V-Foil woods had a cup-face. I'm not sure who had the first hollow-body irons, but I do remember that the pro at my first course played a hollow-body TaylorMade in the 1990's... so before my VIPs which are not. Yep and I think I still have a 3 wood like that over in the building. Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 When the patent expires on this stuff, I'm gonna start drilling and filling . BIG STU 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: Now that's taking DIY club building to the next level... Love It!! Not really DIY --- I was partners in a golf shop at the time fixyurdivot 1 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: When the patent expires on this stuff, I'm gonna start drilling and filling . Wonder if you can mix grass seed in it and fixurdivot ???? Ohhh sorry could not resist fixyurdivot and Kenny B 2 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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