Help with Numbers

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

2 minutes ago, JFish350 said:

What is the best way to submit a video for analysis? Not sure I can edit it, it’s about 5 minutes. 

What kind of video is it? Is it on your phone? You can edit there or upload to YouTube and clip there

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

What is the best way to submit a video for analysis? Not sure I can edit it, it’s about 5 minutes. 

What are your trying to have analyzed? If it’s a video of your swing it only needs to the length of a swing from down the line and face on to get the full picture of the swing. 

[JFish350]

2 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

What kind of video is it? Is it on your phone? You can edit there or upload to YouTube and clip there

yes on my ph. I'm not that techy. 

[JFish350]

52 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

What are your trying to have analyzed? If it’s a video of your swing it only needs to the length of a swing from down the line and face on to get the full picture of the swing. 

Only got down the line, and not face on. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

yes on my ph. I'm not that techy. 

Just trim the video on your phone to one

swing and post it

1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

Only got down the line, and not face on. 

Down the line is fine. Can tell a lot more from that than face on. 

[GregB135]

On 7/25/2022 at 11:02 PM, JFish350 said:

10 More shots and the avg numbers.

Didn't have time to hit more.  Someone mentioned a 2 way miss and it showed up later on while player a round on the sim. 

I talked to the guy and I am going to have him look at my swing.  I am now noticing a slight to bigger fade, Everything is usually left for me. 

Thanks for the info fellas. 

 

 

 

The club path of 1 degree in to out is good (if that's the average). Same with the club speed/ball speed. With 108 and 155, an avg smash factor (ball speed divided by club speed) above 1.4 means you're making good strikes. The descending attack angle is killing distance and magnifying spin. Working to get at least a shallower and eventually upward attack angle with the dirver will improve launch angle and should reduce spin. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, GregB135 said:

The club path of 1 degree in to out is good (if that's the average). Same with the club speed/ball speed. With 108 and 155, an avg smash factor (ball speed divided by club speed) above 1.4 means you're making good strikes. The descending attack angle is killing distance and magnifying spin. Working to get at least a shallower and eventually upward attack angle with the dirver will improve launch angle and should reduce spin. 

An upward angle of attack or a downward one is only a small piece of the puzzle. Someone with a positive aoa bit to far from the inside will have a tendency to hit low on the face and that will cause high spin.

Spin doenst come from aoa. It’s a number of factors combined

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

On 7/25/2022 at 8:02 PM, JFish350 said:

10 More shots and the avg numbers.

Didn't have time to hit more.  Someone mentioned a 2 way miss and it showed up later on while player a round on the sim. 

I talked to the guy and I am going to have him look at my swing.  I am now noticing a slight to bigger fade, Everything is usually left for me. 

Thanks for the info fellas. 

 

 

 

Did you ever see face contact with foot spray? I best you are hitting it low on the face as well with those high spin numbers. 

[JFish350]

7 hours ago, GregB135 said:

The club path of 1 degree in to out is good (if that's the average). Same with the club speed/ball speed. With 108 and 155, an avg smash factor (ball speed divided by club speed) above 1.4 means you're making good strikes. The descending attack angle is killing distance and magnifying spin. Working to get at least a shallower and eventually upward attack angle with the dirver will improve launch angle and should reduce spin. 

Some of the strikes are toed which is my miss.  from my understanding will/can cause a draw, which is my ball flight. I really have to concentrate on trying to fade the ball or push it right. When the ball goes right it isn't slicing, more of a fade. 

 

I forgot the foot spray so I can't be exactly sure where the strikes are on the face. 

[JFish350]

6 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Did you ever see face contact with foot spray? I best you are hitting it low on the face as well with those high spin numbers. 

No I forgot to bring it. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

Some of the strikes are toed which is my miss.  from my understanding will/can cause a draw, which is my ball flight. I really have to concentrate on trying to fade the ball or push it right. When the ball goes right it isn't slicing, more of a fade. 

 

I forgot the foot spray so I can't be exactly sure where the strikes are on the face. 

Toe strikes promote a right to left ball movement but it’s where the face is in relation to path and what the path is. These will determine where the ball starts and how much it moves. 
 

An open face with a toe strike can go to

the right and not come back 

[IONEPUTT]

I see a LOT of different advice being posted here. NOT uncommon on a golf forum, since most of those that post their opinion are just repeating what they read or heard from others. What I would recommend is that you look up Clay Ballard and watch his video on learning to swing UP at the ball. Going from a negative angle of attack to an upward AOA will make a HUGE improvement in your numbers. It will give you a higher ball flight, with less backspin and more carry yardage. 

I think I"m correct in thinking you posted a smash factor of 1.3.  That is NOT good. It should be somewhere from 1.45 to 1.5 for more ball speed from your club head speed. Center of club face hits should be at least 1.45 and 1.5 is your end goal. You also have way too much side spin. I'd like to see your sidespin under 1000 at least. Backspin is too high as well. Should be OVER 2000 and under 2600 would be a good range to start with. Launch angle around 13-15* would be my recommendation for your clubhead speed. IF you learn to hit UP at the ball, this alone should help correct your low launch high spin data. 

[IONEPUTT]

1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

Some of the strikes are toed which is my miss.  from my understanding will/can cause a draw, which is my ball flight. I really have to concentrate on trying to fade the ball or push it right. When the ball goes right it isn't slicing, more of a fade. 

 

I forgot the foot spray so I can't be exactly sure where the strikes are on the face. 

You mention foot spray???   I hope you know that your foot spray is acting as a lubricant, and it is going to "Reduce" your spin numbers by around 10%, if not more.  You might want to take this into account next time you are on a launch monitor and look at your spin rate numbers. 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

5 minutes ago, IONEPUTT said:

You mention foot spray???   I hope you know that your foot spray is acting as a lubricant, and it is going to "Reduce" your spin numbers by around 10%, if not more.  You might want to take this into account next time you are on a launch monitor and look at your spin rate numbers. 

totally but i think right now, understanding the launch and directionality of the ball is the best place to look now and then look into the spin optimization with loft once strike is solid.

[RickyBobby_PR]

21 minutes ago, IONEPUTT said:

You mention foot spray???   I hope you know that your foot spray is acting as a lubricant, and it is going to "Reduce" your spin numbers by around 10%, if not more.  You might want to take this into account next time you are on a launch monitor and look at your spin rate numbers. 

It’s to check contact point on the face. The numbers will work themselves out when the swing and contact point are correct.

Chasing certain numbers like a specific aoa, or launch or spin is going to lead to disaster.

Every good instructor will tell you make a good swing and the launch, spin and numbers will be there. To fix a swing you have to figure out where contact is and then what’s causing it 

[azstu324]

Obviously there are a lot of variables at play and there may not be 1 single fix as others have stated. 

Here are a few of my observations and possible suggestions

If you're able to shallow out your swing but are noticing hooks or pulls (left), you may be swinging too much with your arms and the face is closing up well before it hits the ball. In this case, work on starting your down swing with your hips and then let your arms follow. This will help keep the face more square or slightly open just before releasing. 

Here is a good video that I thought really helped neutralize my swing. One of my biggest hangups was that at times, my arms we're moving faster than my body AND I was starting with my hands too far forward.. both moves really juice up the hook factor. 

Another thing noted is that you show a lot of inconsistency.  While it looks nice to have a 110 mph swing, you may just be swinging way too hard to be consistent and efficient. Try starting your swing at what feels like half the speed and work with that for a while. Sync up your hips and let your arms follow. Get your efficiency and accuracy dialed in first. Then work on speed.. this could take months before you're ready to increase speed.. but a 240 yd drive on the fairway always trump's a 300 yd drive into the neighborhood. I guarantee that if you slow way down and improve your strike efficiency, you'll see a similar carry distance, your angle of attack will jump up, your spin will go down and your total roll out will improve greatly with much less effort and frustration.

I played with a guy once who was constantly bragging about 110+ swing speed like a status marker (not saying you're doing this at all. I know you're honestly looking for answers and this is a very important detail).. my swing speed is 110-112 and I'm pretty dialed in on my stats. Every single hole I was easily 50 yds further than him with ball in play. He was just all over the place. On the very last hole he asked me what my SS was assuming I was in the high teens because I was blasting it miles past him.. my answer.. 110 mph. He didn't believe me. He may have had a 110 swing but was focused on the wrong thing. He was a good guy and fun to play with but somewhere along the way just got a wrong signal and thought that the first key to long and accurate drives was speed. 

The last item to check on is to make sure your driver is adjusted to neutral. If you have the loft cranked up to try to manipulate the attack angle to get the ball more in the air, the face could sit slightly more shut or the shaft a hair more upright as this is something that could happen when cranking up the loft. Not sure you mentioned it but what is the standard loft of your driver? The tricky part is that if you weren't fit and have a negative AOA, and happen to be playing a 9° or lower driver, you aren't helping yourself out any. Just curious . 

 

[IONEPUTT]

27 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

totally but i think right now, understanding the launch and directionality of the ball is the best place to look now and then look into the spin optimization with loft once strike is solid.

Is there a good reason you and RickyBobby-PR decided to reply to my last post by telling me what the foot spray is for?  I know exactly what it is used for. I only mentioned that the spin numbers will change if NO foot spray is used, and it would be SMART for the golfer to take this fact into account before deciding if their spin numbers are where they should be for best results. 

And should you want to know, I do NOT use foot spray on my clubs. I much prefer to use Impact Wax instead.  It works the same way as foot spray, comes in a much smaller container so it fits in either your golf bag or your pocket much better, I'ts also a LOT cheaper to use. I've also read a few reports about foot spray being HARD to remove from your driver face if you use it often and don't wipe it off right after you're done.  NOT a problem with Impact Wax.  I leave is on for weeks at a time with NO problems at all. You might want to consider and new and better option next time you head to the range to hit your drivre or woods. 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

4 minutes ago, IONEPUTT said:

Is there a good reason you and RickyBobby-PR decided to reply to my last post by telling me what the foot spray is for?  I know exactly what it is used for. I only mentioned that the spin numbers will change if NO foot spray is used, and it would be SMART for the golfer to take this fact into account before deciding if their spin numbers are where they should be for best results. 

And should you want to know, I do NOT use foot spray on my clubs. I much prefer to use Impact Wax instead.  It works the same way as foot spray, comes in a much smaller container so it fits in either your golf bag or your pocket much better, I'ts also a LOT cheaper to use. I've also read a few reports about foot spray being HARD to remove from your driver face if you use it often and don't wipe it off right after you're done.  NOT a problem with Impact Wax.  I leave is on for weeks at a time with NO problems at all. You might want to consider and new and better option next time you head to the range to hit your drivre or woods. 

isn't playing with a foreign substance on the face illegal like your wax?

We aren't trying to bring you down. Just wanting to make sure that the focus is where it needs to be. Not trying to argue the spin issue. Overall, the plan should be optimize strike, then look at the numbers. If spin is too high figure out why (loft, technique, etc...).

[IONEPUTT]

10 minutes ago, azstu324 said:

Obviously there are a lot of variables at play and there may not be 1 single fix as others have stated. 

Here are a few of my observations and possible suggestions

If you're able to shallow out your swing but are noticing hooks or pulls (left), you may be swinging too much with your arms and the face is closing up well before it hits the ball. In this case, work on starting your down swing with your hips and then let your arms follow. This will help keep the face more square or slightly open just before releasing. 

Here is a good video that I thought really helped neutralize my swing. One of my biggest hangups was that at times, my arms we're moving faster than my body AND I was starting with my hands too far forward.. both moves really juice up the hook factor. 

Another thing noted is that you show a lot of inconsistency.  While it looks nice to have a 110 mph swing, you may just be swinging way too hard to be consistent and efficient. Try starting your swing at what feels like half the speed and work with that for a while. Sync up your hips and let your arms follow. Get your efficiency and accuracy dialed in first. Then work on speed.. this could take months before you're ready to increase speed.. but a 240 yd drive on the fairway always trump's a 300 yd drive into the neighborhood. I guarantee that if you slow way down and improve your strike efficiency, you'll see a similar carry distance, your angle of attack will jump up, your spin will go down and your total roll out will improve greatly with much less effort and frustration.

I played with a guy once who was constantly bragging about 110+ swing speed like a status marker (not saying you're doing this at all. I know you're honestly looking for answers and this is a very important detail).. my swing speed is 110-112 and I'm pretty dialed in on my stats. Every single hole I was easily 50 yds further than him with ball in play. He was just all over the place. On the very last hole he asked me what my SS was assuming I was in the high teens because I was blasting it miles past him.. my answer.. 110 mph. He didn't believe me. He may have had a 110 swing but was focused on the wrong thing. He was a good guy and fun to play with but somewhere along the way just got a wrong signal and thought that the first key to long and accurate drives was speed. 

The last item to check on is to make sure your driver is adjusted to neutral. If you have the loft cranked up to try to manipulate the attack angle to get the ball more in the air, the face could sit slightly more shut or the shaft a hair more upright as this is something that could happen when cranking up the loft. Not sure you mentioned it but what is the standard loft of your driver? The tricky part is that if you weren't fit and have a negative AOA, and happen to be playing a 9° or lower driver, you aren't helping yourself out any. Just curious . 

 

Thanks for your reply. This is one of only a few decent posts in this thread and may be one of the best I've read in a very long time. Well done sir. 

[IONEPUTT]

Isn't playing with a foreign substance on the face illegal like your wax?

Yes you are totally correct. But I didn't say I play a round of golf with the Impact Wax on my driver. I simply stated that I use Impact Wax on my driver and woods when I'm hitting ball on the range and working on improving my overall game. ON the range I can use anything I might want to use. You can do the same if you wish.

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Just now, IONEPUTT said:

Isn't playing with a foreign substance on the face illegal like your wax?

Yes you are totally correct. But I didn't say I play a round of golf with the Impact Wax on my driver. I simply stated that I use Impact Wax on my driver and woods when I'm hitting ball on the range and working on improving my overall game. ON the range I can use anything I might want to use. You can do the same if you wish.

ok, just clarifying as you say you leave it on for weeks. not trying to say you are in the wrong  

[IONEPUTT]

I totally understand your thinking on this issue. Truth be told, I have TWO golf bags in use. One is filled with my everyday round of golf set of irons and woods. The second bag is filled with whatever clubs i might me trying out when I hit the range. I used to write golf product reviews for another golf forum, and I have at least 50 drivers and at least a doaen sets of irons left over from my years doing those reviews.  A lot of golfers ask me why I don't trade in those older driver. The main reason is all of them have an after-market shaft installed and IF I were to trade them in, I would NOT get enough money for the club to cover the cost of the after-market shaft. A second reason is that a lot of those older drivers are just a good as most of the newer much more expensive new ones. Truth be told, I'd rather have the old Taylor-Made R7 Quad, than the new high price Sim or Stealth they are selling today. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

30 minutes ago, IONEPUTT said:

Is there a good reason you and RickyBobby-PR decided to reply to my last post by telling me what the foot spray is for?  I know exactly what it is used for. I only mentioned that the spin numbers will change if NO foot spray is used, and it would be SMART for the golfer to take this fact into account before deciding if their spin numbers are where they should be for best results. 

And should you want to know, I do NOT use foot spray on my clubs. I much prefer to use Impact Wax instead.  It works the same way as foot spray, comes in a much smaller container so it fits in either your golf bag or your pocket much better, I'ts also a LOT cheaper to use. I've also read a few reports about foot spray being HARD to remove from your driver face if you use it often and don't wipe it off right after you're done.  NOT a problem with Impact Wax.  I leave is on for weeks at a time with NO problems at all. You might want to consider and new and better option next time you head to the range to hit your drivre or woods. 

We replied not to tell you what foot spray is used but why we are suggesting that and not to worry about spin numbers as you were suggesting would changes.

He’s trying to improve a swing. The improved swing will improve the numbers. The numbers don’t necessarily matter at this point because we have his current numbers and we can compare them at a later date when the swing is better.

Anyone not wiping their face off immediately after a session of using foot spray or any other substance will see some leftover residue that could become permanent, if they don’t clean it it right way they get what they deserve 

And a can of foot spray takes up very little space in a golf bag

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

We replied not to tell you what foot spray is used but why we are suggesting that and not to worry about spin numbers as you were suggesting would changes.

He’s trying to improve a swing. The improved swing will improve the numbers. The numbers don’t necessarily matter at this point because we have his current numbers and we can compare them at a later date when the swing is better.

Anyone not wiping their face off immediately after a session of using foot spray or any other substance will see some leftover residue that could become permanent, if they don’t clean it it right way they get what they deserve 

And a can of foot spray takes up very little space in a golf bag

ya  i am guilty of not cleaning it off right away but i can use my iron cleaning brush to get 80-90% off.

[azstu324]

BTW @JFish350 welcome down the MGS rabbit hole to game improvement . I started down this thing about five years ago and thanks to so many awesome spies who have taken time to answer questions, give advice, and point me in the right direction, my game and knowledge have improved in ways I didn't know where possible. 

See ya round brada! 

[Matsubaum]

Samsonite is correct, keep the driver, spend some money on some basic lessons.

Your club speed is plenty to see a 250 to 270 carry with 290 yard drives.

Your path is ok at 0.09 in to out, the glaring issue I see is the negative 5.7 angle of attack (aoa) but with out seeing the swing in person or on video it is impossible to know if that is due to swing, ball position, tee height or a combination of those.  With that club head speed you probably want to have a positive 8 to 12 degrees aoa.  That would decrease your spin and probably give you 25 to 30 more yards.

Start with some basic lessons, make sure your fundamentals of grip, stance, posture and ball position are correct. Then go from there, you will see improvements.

[IONEPUTT]

 

a can of foot spray takes up very little space in a golf bag. 

I'll bet you $1000 that my jar of Impact Was is ten times smaller than your can of foot spray and costs less than what you paid for Dr. Scholls foot spray. If I remember right, I believe I paid about $4 for the Impact Wax and I have enough to last me another 40 years or more. By which time I'll be dead and gone and out of your hair for good. Feel free to use your foot spray and buy a new can as needed. I'm still using my first can of wax and it's been about 18 years since I purchased it and it's still got a long time to go before it's used up. My bet is I'll die before I use it all up. Can you say the same for your foot spray. The Impact Wax I had comes in big can, too big to carry with me. But I just transfer some into a contianer about the size of a AA battery and it lasts for over a year at least. 

[JFish350]

2 hours ago, IONEPUTT said:

You mention foot spray???   I hope you know that your foot spray is acting as a lubricant, and it is going to "Reduce" your spin numbers by around 10%, if not more.  You might want to take this into account next time you are on a launch monitor and look at your spin rate numbers. 

Only using the foot spray to determine ball contact on the club face. When I start having issues like I am it's the first thing I look at is connection. In this case I haven't since I keep forgetting. 

I have been looking at Clay Ballard video's but haven't followed through on the lessons. This last round and figuring out AOA I have been working on hitting up on the ball. 

 

Thanks for the info everything helps and a work in progress to see what works for me. 

[JFish350]

1 hour ago, azstu324 said:

Obviously there are a lot of variables at play and there may not be 1 single fix as others have stated. 

Here are a few of my observations and possible suggestions

If you're able to shallow out your swing but are noticing hooks or pulls (left), you may be swinging too much with your arms and the face is closing up well before it hits the ball. In this case, work on starting your down swing with your hips and then let your arms follow. This will help keep the face more square or slightly open just before releasing. 

Here is a good video that I thought really helped neutralize my swing. One of my biggest hangups was that at times, my arms we're moving faster than my body AND I was starting with my hands too far forward.. both moves really juice up the hook factor. 

Another thing noted is that you show a lot of inconsistency.  While it looks nice to have a 110 mph swing, you may just be swinging way too hard to be consistent and efficient. Try starting your swing at what feels like half the speed and work with that for a while. Sync up your hips and let your arms follow. Get your efficiency and accuracy dialed in first. Then work on speed.. this could take months before you're ready to increase speed.. but a 240 yd drive on the fairway always trump's a 300 yd drive into the neighborhood. I guarantee that if you slow way down and improve your strike efficiency, you'll see a similar carry distance, your angle of attack will jump up, your spin will go down and your total roll out will improve greatly with much less effort and frustration.

I played with a guy once who was constantly bragging about 110+ swing speed like a status marker (not saying you're doing this at all. I know you're honestly looking for answers and this is a very important detail).. my swing speed is 110-112 and I'm pretty dialed in on my stats. Every single hole I was easily 50 yds further than him with ball in play. He was just all over the place. On the very last hole he asked me what my SS was assuming I was in the high teens because I was blasting it miles past him.. my answer.. 110 mph. He didn't believe me. He may have had a 110 swing but was focused on the wrong thing. He was a good guy and fun to play with but somewhere along the way just got a wrong signal and thought that the first key to long and accurate drives was speed. 

The last item to check on is to make sure your driver is adjusted to neutral. If you have the loft cranked up to try to manipulate the attack angle to get the ball more in the air, the face could sit slightly more shut or the shaft a hair more upright as this is something that could happen when cranking up the loft. Not sure you mentioned it but what is the standard loft of your driver? The tricky part is that if you weren't fit and have a negative AOA, and happen to be playing a 9° or lower driver, you aren't helping yourself out any. Just curious . 

 

WOW, That's a lot of info and the video makes sense especially the swing the butte not the hips. I constantly try to get my hips through first. Possible reason I do top or have been topping some driver shots. 

I am not purposely going for a high swing speed, but it does feel more natural to me. I do however want to know what my SS is just to know. I do try to slow down and work on contact, but honestly I feel it doesn't help if I don't have an instructor telling me what I am doing wrong. Yes I have gone to an instructor and he didn't help at all. It was extremely frustrating, there's a story I won't go into in this thread. 

I am trying to figure out how to edit a video I took. I think it would help you guys see what's up. I don't think my swing is that bad, there's just something off. 

 

[JFish350]

1 hour ago, azstu324 said:

BTW @JFish350 welcome down the MGS rabbit hole to game improvement . I started down this thing about five years ago and thanks to so many awesome spies who have taken time to answer questions, give advice, and point me in the right direction, my game and knowledge have improved in ways I didn't know where possible. 

See ya round brada! 

 

YEP, It's a rabbit hole I didn't want to crawl into. I have been struggling with my driver for so long I am going head first will try just about anything.  I have said it before, the driver used to be the best club in my bag. I was 300 in play and could put it where I needed most of the time. I am sure age has some to do with the struggles but I think injuries are more the culprit. It's frustrating going 250 and more importantly not in play makes me want to chuck a club. 

 

I lived AZ for 24 years. Used to be in the mens club at Johnson Ranch as well as Apache Creek both in the early 2000's.  Was just there in April and played Painted mountain and Apache Wells. 

 

The people on this site are great and that's why I asked for help.