Help with Numbers

[JFish350]

3 hours ago, Samsonite said:

Following this thread - super interesting stuff.  I wish I had that swing speed, lol. 

And just for further clarification, "AOA" means "Angle of Attack". I think it was explained without actually defining the acronym. 

Good luck, and let us know how it goes!

(And for what it's worth, keep the driver and spend 1/5th the money on a good lesson)

This is why I love MGS. There are lots of guys with way more knowledge of all things golf.  Sometimes I wonder if I ask to many dumb questions and people just roll their eyes when they see my name and question. 

As far as lessons go, I tried Golf tech, told them what was going on and I had the same lesson 5 times. Long story short I am no longer at Golf Tech and I won't go back. There is a long story here, but one bad apple spoils the bunch. 

I had another instructor tell me "you're Close" and that was all. No help, no drill, nothing so I didn't go back. I had one other instructor ask me what my handicap was after watching my swing. I told him 16, he said no way you should be a 5. My goal was to get to single digits this year, that isn't going to happen this year. 

 

I am Leary of instructors that I don't know. The guy I have in mind I don't know and we shall see what happens. that said he did take a guy that has never swung club until 6 weeks ago from a total distance of 190 to a carry distance of 230.  

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

2 minutes ago, JFish350 said:

This is why I love MGS. There are lots of guys with way more knowledge of all things golf.  Sometimes I wonder if I ask to many dumb questions and people just roll their eyes when they see my name and question. 

As far as lessons go, I tried Golf tech, told them what was going on and I had the same lesson 5 times. Long story short I am no longer at Golf Tech and I won't go back. There is a long story here, but one bad apple spoils the bunch. 

I had another instructor tell me "you're Close" and that was all. No help, no drill, nothing so I didn't go back. I had one other instructor ask me what my handicap was after watching my swing. I told him 16, he said no way you should be a 5. My goal was to get to single digits this year, that isn't going to happen this year. 

 

I am Leary of instructors that I don't know. The guy I have in mind I don't know and we shall see what happens. that said he did take a guy that has never swung club until 6 weeks ago from a total distance of 190 to a carry distance of 230.  

I and @GolfSpy MPR go with Jayson Nickol on Skillest. Has helped us both a lot if you have a way to video yourself.

[GolfSpy SAM]

33 minutes ago, JFish350 said:

This is why I love MGS. There are lots of guys with way more knowledge of all things golf.  Sometimes I wonder if I ask to many dumb questions and people just roll their eyes when they see my name and question. 

As far as lessons go, I tried Golf tech, told them what was going on and I had the same lesson 5 times. Long story short I am no longer at Golf Tech and I won't go back. There is a long story here, but one bad apple spoils the bunch. 

I had another instructor tell me "you're Close" and that was all. No help, no drill, nothing so I didn't go back. I had one other instructor ask me what my handicap was after watching my swing. I told him 16, he said no way you should be a 5. My goal was to get to single digits this year, that isn't going to happen this year. 

 

I am Leary of instructors that I don't know. The guy I have in mind I don't know and we shall see what happens. that said he did take a guy that has never swung club until 6 weeks ago from a total distance of 190 to a carry distance of 230.  

Yeah, it can for sure be a crapshoot.  "Crapshoot" may not be one word, but for my purposes, one word is good enough

  I feel like I got pretty lucky - found a guy that was VERY reasonably priced, he was a former lower-tier-tour pro, he's 5-9 (max), hits the ball 300+ yards, looks like he could've starred in a western with Clint Eastwood, and has helped my game tremendously.  I bought a 6-pack of lessons, and I'm through 4 of them, and have knocked (easily) 5 strokes off my handicap since starting.  We've been working on consistency of strike, which is something that never made sense to me, and has suddenly clicked - but I think that's kind of the key - is being able to stick with someone for multiple lessons and see what they can get out of you. 

  If you don't jibe, though, then it's often a waste of money.  Have you looked on Yelp for reviews?  I know that's ... maybe counterintuitive, but I swear, people leave reviews when they either love someone or hate someone, and it's often valuable info to find someone that the vast majority of students rave about and took the time to post about. 

  I'd also suggest getting specific whenever you do take a lesson, about what it is you're looking for:  more distance?  tighter dispersion?  Consistency?  etc. 

  With your speed, you could actually lose a few MPH if it helped you find the middle of the face, and you'd still be flying it 275 no problem, which for 90% of courses, is way more than "enough".  

  Another thought, and I can't speak to this personally as I have yet to try it, but....you might try an online lesson - there are some programs (18 birdies, I believe does something like this) where you can film your swing and see where you're "off", and then hook up with a coach who can give you virtual lessons.  Then you can work on that lesson as long as you want/need and go back for another. 

   Anyway, good luck! And keep us up to date on your progress!

[revkev]

4 hours ago, JFish350 said:

This guy has never seen my swing or giving me any advice. As far as confidence in him, That remains TBD. 

 

This session as of late or over the last year or more is typical. This is my frustration, I never ever worried about it and knew where the ball was going. That was before I started thinking I could hit farther than I already was. 

I never cared about swing speed before. Then I went and was fit into this club and my SS was 107.  I have tried to max out swing speed just to know and hit 122. That was a couple years ago. Now I just try for a comfortable swing and think more contact the center than anything else.  I do need a new can of Dr. Scholl's. 

That’s funny - I hope the guy helps you. At your SS you have real potential. 
 

To put this in perspective I was able to get to and maintain a 1 with a SS of 105. LPGA players have an average SS less than that and would play to plus handicaps. 

[Pouetvl11]

On 7/20/2022 at 8:24 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

There’s data points missing like aoa, dynamic loft, land angle your swing path and face to path.

What I see is you are generating too much spin and not hitting the ball high enough to take advantage of your swing speed and the distance it will provide. If the vert angle is same as launch you have low launch and high spin. More than likely from low strikes in the face.

you appear to have a two way miss but without aoa, dynamic loft, where on the face your contact is it’s hard to say what the swig flaw is that’s causing it.

You can play golf with this club and you would probably see the similar results with most clubs. What you need to do is make more center strikes to reduce spin and get some additional height on the ball

Similar advice, missing some data but you don't hit the ball high enough in the air, 

if you can't hit dead center on the face, it's better to hit high/toe on the face than low and heel. 

Reducing spin could just be your angle of attack, which would also give you more height so more distance. You could gain probably an easy 20 yards with a slight change of angle of attack and more center strike.

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

12 minutes ago, Pouetvl11 said:

Reducing spin could just be your angle of attack, which would also give you more height so more distance. You could gain probably an easy 20 yards with a slight change of angle of attack and more center strike.

Aoa in of itself isn’t what causes higher or slow spin. Contact point on the face and swing path along with face to path. However for most amateurs the negative aoa comes from an ott move and have an open face and out to in patch is what’s causing the high spin.

[JFish350]

10 More shots and the avg numbers.

Didn't have time to hit more.  Someone mentioned a 2 way miss and it showed up later on while player a round on the sim. 

I talked to the guy and I am going to have him look at my swing.  I am now noticing a slight to bigger fade, Everything is usually left for me. 

Thanks for the info fellas. 

 

 

 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

33 minutes ago, JFish350 said:

10 More shots and the avg numbers.

Didn't have time to hit more.  Someone mentioned a 2 way miss and it showed up later on while player a round on the sim. 

I talked to the guy and I am going to have him look at my swing.  I am now noticing a slight to bigger fade, Everything is usually left for me. 

Thanks for the info fellas. 

 

 

 

We all have a two way miss by the way. We all have dispersion cones. Part of the game. You sticking with your same guy? Otherwise I highly recommend my coach if you can video tape. 

[JFish350]

9 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

We all have a two way miss by the way. We all have dispersion cones. Part of the game. You sticking with your same guy? Otherwise I highly recommend my coach if you can video tape. 

My guy is free to me right now so yes free is good (hopefully). At least I'll find out if he/me are a fit for teaching golf.  

I looked up your guy, I'll have to dig more into it as I was short on time and didn't look into the cost. 

I think of this is I am to far into my own skull and need to stop thinking and just hit the dang ball. One swing thought is more than enough maybe two and then go. 

[JFish350]

What is the best way to submit a video for analysis? Not sure I can edit it, it’s about 5 minutes. 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

2 minutes ago, JFish350 said:

What is the best way to submit a video for analysis? Not sure I can edit it, it’s about 5 minutes. 

What kind of video is it? Is it on your phone? You can edit there or upload to YouTube and clip there

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

What is the best way to submit a video for analysis? Not sure I can edit it, it’s about 5 minutes. 

What are your trying to have analyzed? If it’s a video of your swing it only needs to the length of a swing from down the line and face on to get the full picture of the swing. 

[JFish350]

2 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

What kind of video is it? Is it on your phone? You can edit there or upload to YouTube and clip there

yes on my ph. I'm not that techy. 

[JFish350]

52 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

What are your trying to have analyzed? If it’s a video of your swing it only needs to the length of a swing from down the line and face on to get the full picture of the swing. 

Only got down the line, and not face on. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

yes on my ph. I'm not that techy. 

Just trim the video on your phone to one

swing and post it

1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

Only got down the line, and not face on. 

Down the line is fine. Can tell a lot more from that than face on. 

[GregB135]

On 7/25/2022 at 11:02 PM, JFish350 said:

10 More shots and the avg numbers.

Didn't have time to hit more.  Someone mentioned a 2 way miss and it showed up later on while player a round on the sim. 

I talked to the guy and I am going to have him look at my swing.  I am now noticing a slight to bigger fade, Everything is usually left for me. 

Thanks for the info fellas. 

 

 

 

The club path of 1 degree in to out is good (if that's the average). Same with the club speed/ball speed. With 108 and 155, an avg smash factor (ball speed divided by club speed) above 1.4 means you're making good strikes. The descending attack angle is killing distance and magnifying spin. Working to get at least a shallower and eventually upward attack angle with the dirver will improve launch angle and should reduce spin. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, GregB135 said:

The club path of 1 degree in to out is good (if that's the average). Same with the club speed/ball speed. With 108 and 155, an avg smash factor (ball speed divided by club speed) above 1.4 means you're making good strikes. The descending attack angle is killing distance and magnifying spin. Working to get at least a shallower and eventually upward attack angle with the dirver will improve launch angle and should reduce spin. 

An upward angle of attack or a downward one is only a small piece of the puzzle. Someone with a positive aoa bit to far from the inside will have a tendency to hit low on the face and that will cause high spin.

Spin doenst come from aoa. It’s a number of factors combined

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

On 7/25/2022 at 8:02 PM, JFish350 said:

10 More shots and the avg numbers.

Didn't have time to hit more.  Someone mentioned a 2 way miss and it showed up later on while player a round on the sim. 

I talked to the guy and I am going to have him look at my swing.  I am now noticing a slight to bigger fade, Everything is usually left for me. 

Thanks for the info fellas. 

 

 

 

Did you ever see face contact with foot spray? I best you are hitting it low on the face as well with those high spin numbers. 

[JFish350]

7 hours ago, GregB135 said:

The club path of 1 degree in to out is good (if that's the average). Same with the club speed/ball speed. With 108 and 155, an avg smash factor (ball speed divided by club speed) above 1.4 means you're making good strikes. The descending attack angle is killing distance and magnifying spin. Working to get at least a shallower and eventually upward attack angle with the dirver will improve launch angle and should reduce spin. 

Some of the strikes are toed which is my miss.  from my understanding will/can cause a draw, which is my ball flight. I really have to concentrate on trying to fade the ball or push it right. When the ball goes right it isn't slicing, more of a fade. 

 

I forgot the foot spray so I can't be exactly sure where the strikes are on the face. 

[JFish350]

6 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Did you ever see face contact with foot spray? I best you are hitting it low on the face as well with those high spin numbers. 

No I forgot to bring it.