Shaft testing by 16 handicap player

[IONEPUTT]

15 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I would never consider it that way but sure they have roughly the same quality of performance 

Would it be fair to say that IF the quality of performance is roughly the same then "either" shaft might be a good fit for a certain golfer?  If a certain golfer tends to hit the ball to the left, the right shot pattern shaft might be the perfect fit. And for a golfer that tends to hit the ball to the right, the left hitting shaft might be perfert for that golfer?  

What I'm saying here is that both shaft are performing to the same level or quality of performance. But one shaft is NOT going to fit every golfer, and this is where some people on this site are misreading what I've posted. 

[IONEPUTT]

6 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 I put feel at about 1 or 2 on the scale.  We are also saying not to consciously change your swing and if the shaft doesn’t work and to change the shaft.  We have also never said anything about chasing a desired feel but to look at performance.  
 

let’s try looking at it this way.  If I gave you 2 balls that were the same size and the only difference was that one weighed 1 pound and one weighed 5 pounds and asked you to throw them.    Would your body move exactly the same way and the throws would be indistinguishable? 

Aren't you going to the extreme here with the 1 and 5 pound ball throwing thing. Sure, I would have to put a lot more effort into throwing the 5# ball, but so would you. But we are not talking about a 1# shaft and a 5# shaft here. We are talking about very small difference when you look at the total weight of a driver. 200 grams head, 50 grams grip. give or that 10 grams for ferrule, tape and epoxy, then either a 65 grams shaft or a 75 grams shaft. That comes to either a 325 grams total or a 335 grams total. Totally different thing compared to 1 or 5 pound ball throwing. 

[GolfSpy_SHARK]

Well this was a rough read......

I have alluded to it before, I am no golf tech expert and am pretty basic in all of the discussion on this thread. I enjoy reading about it and seeing the math/science in it all but in the end for me the ball better get out there for me.

@chisagsaid it best on page 2 that shouldn't feel and performance be hand in hand? Doesnt go for just shafts but for heads too. If it doesnt feel like its playing well then performance probably isnt going to be there, feels like alot of splitting hairs here....or maybe I am just that black and white.....

[cnosil]

 

20 minutes ago, IONEPUTT said:

Aren't you going to the extreme here with the 1 and 5 pound ball throwing thing. Sure, I would have to put a lot more effort into throwing the 5# ball, but so would you. But we are not talking about a 1# shaft and a 5# shaft here. We are talking about very small difference when you look at the total weight of a driver. 200 grams head, 50 grams grip. give or that 10 grams for ferrule, tape and epoxy, then either a 65 grams shaft or a 75 grams shaft. That comes to either a 325 grams total or a 335 grams total. Totally different thing compared to 1 or 5 pound ball throwing. 

And the very small difference with golf clubs results in very small changes that need a launch monitor to detect.  We are talking about a few degrees of change…..something you cannot measure without the right equipment but will impact the performance of the club.