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I actually play a 2004 "RED" color code (1 flat) MB, 54 WEDGE from Ping, and it is dead on the sweet spot at every shot.

 Is this a sufficient reason why I SHOULD therefore play 5 to Pw flat????? 

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No. Because of length, your swing swing an iron compared to wedges and potentially more droop with irons the lie you need could vary even from iron to iron.

Also it’s usually recommended to play wedges 1-2° flatter than irons 

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I doubt it but you would really need to either buy a lie board or go to a golf shop and hit some balls on their lie boards with tape or stickers that show sole strike location. That's really the only way to know for sure and it's not time consuming or expensive. The only question I would ask to get a feel if about lie angle is, do you tend to hit shots that always go a little left? Clubs that are too upright will have a natural tendency to move left but it's really hard to judge if your irons lie angles are within +/- 1*. Plus, all your irons may have different lie angles as clubs can change over time or maybe were never on spec to begin with.

So the ultimate answer is that trying to judge your lie angle based on an 18 year old wedge that claims to be 1* flat is just pure guessing. 

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17 minutes ago, Kansas King said:

I doubt it but you would really need to either buy a lie board or go to a golf shop and hit some balls on their lie boards with tape or stickers that show sole strike location.

 I saw the below image and found it very interesting.  Apparently there were instructions that came with lie boards.  So if you are using a lie board make sure you understand what is an acceptable mark; not always centered  

 

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30 minutes ago, Kansas King said:

I doubt it but you would really need to either buy a lie board or go to a golf shop and hit some balls on their lie boards with tape or stickers that show sole strike location.

Lie boards lie. The best way is to use a sharpie marker.

 

14 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 I saw the below image and found it very interesting.  Apparently there were instructions that came with lie boards.  So if you are using a lie board make sure you understand what is an acceptable mark; not always centered  

 

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Howard has posted this several times on wrx and why he is against lie boards

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16 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

No. Because of length, your swing swing an iron compared to wedges and potentially more droop with irons the lie you need could vary even from iron to iron.

Also it’s usually recommended to play wedges 1-2° flatter than irons 

Interesting. I've never heard that about wedges and personally found it the opposite. I'd actually rather have mine a bit more upright. But maybe that's because I'm a lefty haha. 

More to the point I would avoid lie boards if possible. Better to go to a range hit some balls and get some foot spray and see strike locations and Ball flights. Note of balls are starting their flight paths left or right and if you're able to get to a fitting center where they can adjust your lie angles and hit some more balls to ensure they are doing what you expect.

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35 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

 

Howard has posted this several times on wrx and why he is against lie boards

Yep, that is where I saw the chart.   Was nice to see something that explained how it was supposed to work.  He went on to say most fitters that use lie boards probably have never seen that chart. 

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15 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Yep, that is where I saw the chart.   Was nice to see something that explained how it was supposed to work.  He went on to say most fitters that use lie boards probably have never seen that chart. 

Right. I can say from my experience of watching lie boards being used only 1-2 guys understood what what contact on front or back plus heel to toe indicated. But they were also old school fitters and used what they saw in the swing combined with contact point and sound plus ball flight to adjust. One is now the pxg lpga rep. The other is at TPC sawgrass.

They along with one other oem rep used length vs lie adjustment to improve contact point.

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Just depends on your ballflight.

If your other irons tend to fly left of target then I would say you're correct with your assumption that you'd benefit from a 1* flat set.

But here's the thing...irons tend to "move" after a period of time.  18 years is a long time to expect a head to remain in it's factory spec...

I would take that head to a shop with a loft / lie machine to see what the true spec is and then adjust accordingly.  If some irons tend to favor one direction over the other, I would bend them based upon that information.

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