FedEx St. Jude

[mikeanthony]

Such a gutsy play to take the drop and to then only stripe his next shot to inside of 7ft … such a great playoff.  

[GolfSpy BOS]

Holy cow. Two balls bouncing on the wall?!

[cnosil]

Crazy shots on the par 3. 

[mikeanthony]

x ✌!!! WOW!!!

[cnosil]

Had to take that as an unplayable; can't believe he thought about it for that long. 

[RollingGreens]

Just now, cnosil said:

Had to take that as an unplayable; can't believe he thought about it for that long. 

My hope is that he just wanted to see what straka would do. 50% or greater was below the ground height surrounded by rocks. Not even tin cup would have attempted that

[cnosil]

Glad to see Zalatoris get a win on tour.   

 

 

[Rickp]

5 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Had to take that as an unplayable; can't believe he thought about it for that long. 

Got that right!!  Even SWMBO was yelling at him to take the drop!

[Rickp]

I may be very wrong but can’t see how LIV will have this kind of excitement with their setup.

Great finish!!

[mikeanthony]

15 minutes ago, GolfSpy_BOS said:

Holy cow. Two balls bouncing on the wall?!

This legit was me on Zalatoris’ tee shot at 11 … 

[RollingGreens]

The guy has finally broken through. I can only imagine the party he is having tonight!

[fixyurdivot]

Congratulations Will Zalatoris!! Getting his breakthrough tour win... and doing it in the first round of the FedEx playoffs!!  We all knew it was only a matter of time.

I did not watch any of the final round but it sounds like a great finish and also a little drama with Cam Smith being assessed a 2 stroke penalty.  What I read is that he "simply did not understand the rule".  It seems nuts that these guys don't know this stuff better... and then you have a second set of eyes with the caddie... crazy.

[Prodigal Duffer]

Glad to see Zalatoris get the win. Hard to believe that earlier this year his putting was dragging his game down. Watched the playoff holes with my son and we had a blast. Every good shot answered with a good shot, every bad with a bad. Totally wheels off and great fun.

[Kenny B]

Will finally got it done after going 0-2 in playoffs.  Great win!!

Poor Rickie.

[Shapotomous]

11 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

.....  What I read is that he "simply did not understand the rule".  It seems nuts that these guys don't know this stuff better... and then you have a second set of eyes with the caddie... crazy.

...and then you have playing partners & caddies, numerous tour officials, tv commentators, etc. watching and seeing the dropped ball clearly on the line and it's not called until somebody is watching a replay later that night after his score card is signed and is accepted by the tour.  

For a long time now I've thought they need to have a time stamp when the scores become official and no adjustments are made after that.  Pick a time....Maybe 1 or 2 hours after the last group finishes and signs their cards..... scores are set in stone and it's too late to make an adjustment or DQ.  Just like a bad or lucky bounce on the course, if something is noticed after that time it is a 'rub of the green' regarding a lack of a scoring change.  If the infraction is found after the time stamp and no penalty is assessed, the player always has the option to withdraw if they feel guilty enough.  

Whether it's an appropriate source or not, the impetus for this may be the betting services that the tour makes money on.  I wonder what they did with the bets made on Smith at odds set for him two shots behind before the round versus the change in odds after his score was changed to be 4 shots back before the round started.

[DaveP043]

11 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

...and then you have playing partners & caddies, numerous tour officials, tv commentators, etc. watching and seeing the dropped ball clearly on the line and it's not called until somebody is watching a replay later that night after his score card is signed and is accepted by the tour.  

For a long time now I've thought they need to have a time stamp when the scores become official and no adjustments are made after that.  Pick a time....Maybe 1 or 2 hours after the last group finishes and signs their cards..... scores are set in stone and it's too late to make an adjustment or DQ.  Just like a bad or lucky bounce on the course, if something is noticed after that time it is a 'rub of the green' regarding a lack of a scoring change.  If the infraction is found after the time stamp and no penalty is assessed, the player always has the option to withdraw if they feel guilty enough.  

Whether it's an appropriate source or not, the impetus for this may be the betting services that the tour makes money on.  I wonder what they did with the bets made on Smith at odds set for him two shots behind before the round versus the change in odds after his score was changed to be 4 shots back before the round started.

In the old days, this would be a clear DQ.  The Rules have been eased since then, so now the penalty is applied if the infraction is noticed before the close of the competition.  I'd really dislike making the rules even MORE forgiving, so that clear penalties are not applied.  this isn't football or hockey, where an official calls infractions in real time, some infractions clearly go unnoticed, the burden in golf is on the player to know the rules and play within the rules.  Now there's no penalty for ignorance, there's no motivation to try to get it right the first time, only the original penalty is applied, I don't want to actually REWARD ignorance of the rules.  Consider if this was Patrick Reed, people would be howling for his DQ for this type of infraction, people would say he was intentionally cheating.  No, apply penalties if they are known to have occurred.  

[fixyurdivot]

34 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

...and then you have playing partners & caddies, numerous tour officials, tv commentators, etc. watching and seeing the dropped ball clearly on the line and it's not called until somebody is watching a replay later that night after his score card is signed and is accepted by the tour.  

For a long time now I've thought they need to have a time stamp when the scores become official and no adjustments are made after that.  Pick a time....Maybe 1 or 2 hours after the last group finishes and signs their cards..... scores are set in stone and it's too late to make an adjustment or DQ.  Just like a bad or lucky bounce on the course, if something is noticed after that time it is a 'rub of the green' regarding a lack of a scoring change.  If the infraction is found after the time stamp and no penalty is assessed, the player always has the option to withdraw if they feel guilty enough.  

Whether it's an appropriate source or not, the impetus for this may be the betting services that the tour makes money on.  I wonder what they did with the bets made on Smith at odds set for him two shots behind before the round versus the change in odds after his score was changed to be 4 shots back before the round started.

Great points and I agree they should consider a revised rule regarding statute of limitation (time).  Also, I never really considered the gambling aspects but that makes perfect sense.

[DaveP043]

1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Great points and I agree they should consider a revised rule regarding statute of limitation (time).  Also, I never really considered the gambling aspects but that makes perfect sense.

Regarding the gambling aspects, what would you say to Zalatoris backers if Smith had won by a single stroke, despite clear evidence and personal admission of an infraction?  Changes like this don't affect just one group of bettors, they can influence a lot of different sides.  

[LICC]

4 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

In the old days, this would be a clear DQ.  The Rules have been eased since then, so now the penalty is applied if the infraction is noticed before the close of the competition.  I'd really dislike making the rules even MORE forgiving, so that clear penalties are not applied.  this isn't football or hockey, where an official calls infractions in real time, some infractions clearly go unnoticed, the burden in golf is on the player to know the rules and play within the rules.  Now there's no penalty for ignorance, there's no motivation to try to get it right the first time, only the original penalty is applied, I don't want to actually REWARD ignorance of the rules.  Consider if this was Patrick Reed, people would be howling for his DQ for this type of infraction, people would say he was intentionally cheating.  No, apply penalties if they are known to have occurred.  

I agree with all this except the Patrick Reed comparison. I'm not fan of his, but what Cam Smith did was so inconsequential to his shot and clearly not with any devious intention, that even Reed wouldn't get heat for it. The things Reed has done in the past have been intentional.

[DaveP043]

2 minutes ago, LICC said:

The things Reed has done in the past have been intentional.

Reed got vilified for exactly following the correct procedure for an embedded ball.  I believe he would have been crucified for this.

[LICC]

12 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Reed got vilified for exactly following the correct procedure for an embedded ball.  I believe he would have been crucified for this.

The way Reed picked up and held the ball was odd, and the way the ball bounced seems highly unlikely that it embedded. It wasn't nearly comparable to what just happened with Cam Smith. He also had the instances of brushing sand away in the bunker with practice swings, and tamping down thick rough behind his ball with practice swings.

[DaveP043]

14 minutes ago, LICC said:

The way Reed picked up and held the ball was odd, and the way the ball bounced seems highly unlikely that it embedded.

He followed the Rules.  He couldn't see the bounce, so he asked a nearby volunteer, who said the ball didn't bounce.  He marked and lifted it carefully.  He set it down to eliminate any chance of accidentally cleaning it.  When he wasn't sure it was embedded, he asked for an official, who agreed that it was embedded.  He followed the Rules, and was crucified.