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51 minutes ago, Jnoble89 said:

Thanks for the feedback! I would be taking 3/4 to full swings with a 50/52 and reserving shots around the green for my 56 or 60 if I end up going that route, so that is good information to know.  I find that even on a full swing with my 56 SW with 12 bounce, there are times where I hit it way too high and don't get the distance out of it that I want. 

That is most likely more related to your swing rather than the club loft/bounce. Stance could be too wide, ball too forward at setup or hands not getting ahead of ball causing you to scoop under the ball and hitting it higher off the club face. 

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15 minutes ago, RDel90 said:

That is most likely more related to your swing rather than the club loft/bounce. Stance could be too wide, ball too forward at setup or hands not getting ahead of ball causing you to scoop under the ball and hitting it higher off the club face. 

You're definitely spot on with that assessment! 

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I think that this spate of replies some of which are contradictory to one another is exactly why it's best to go for a fitting.  Fittings are applicable to all handicap levels.  In the end threads like this one often lead to more confusion than help.  What you will learn is all about everyone's favorite and they will often zealously recommend that for you and your game.  But what works for their game, what works for my game, may not and probably won't work for yours.  

 

Handicaps come in all shapes and sizes.  You may be a 20 because you can't keep your driver on the planet but your short game is more like a 10 - I don't know that.  I play a lot of golf with a guy whose a 23 - he hits the ball 30 yards farther than I do with fairly good regularity and a reasonable amount of accuracy.  Things break down quickly from there though.  The advice that I gave was very generic and would work for most people under normal conditions that most people face - but that may not be you.  And yes you could in fact struggle with a 60 but you might love one and hit it really well, it's very hard to say.  If you don't mind the cost and its convenient enough I'd go for a fitting if I were you.  Hopefully you would be able to see how you'd fare with a 60 at that and can take the advice of the fitter to help out in your decision making.  It could be that the 56 is more than adequate and it's best to add two wedges between the 40 and the 56.  

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47 minutes ago, revkev said:

I think that this spate of replies some of which are contradictory to one another is exactly why it's best to go for a fitting.  Fittings are applicable to all handicap levels.  In the end threads like this one often lead to more confusion than help.  What you will learn is all about everyone's favorite and they will often zealously recommend that for you and your game.  But what works for their game, what works for my game, may not and probably won't work for yours.  

 

Handicaps come in all shapes and sizes.  You may be a 20 because you can't keep your driver on the planet but your short game is more like a 10 - I don't know that.  I play a lot of golf with a guy whose a 23 - he hits the ball 30 yards farther than I do with fairly good regularity and a reasonable amount of accuracy.  Things break down quickly from there though.  The advice that I gave was very generic and would work for most people under normal conditions that most people face - but that may not be you.  And yes you could in fact struggle with a 60 but you might love one and hit it really well, it's very hard to say.  If you don't mind the cost and its convenient enough I'd go for a fitting if I were you.  Hopefully you would be able to see how you'd fare with a 60 at that and can take the advice of the fitter to help out in your decision making.  It could be that the 56 is more than adequate and it's best to add two wedges between the 40 and the 56.  

From what I've gathered over the comments on the thread, looking at a fitting is about as best off as I can be. I enjoy getting feedback from different viewpoints as it just kind of works in my head to provide me with different data. Absolutely true that a club that works for one person may not work at all for another with how different swings are. I have to drive a little ways to do a fitting, but I think it would be worth the money to not only see what clubs would benefit me most but also to get the gapping done as well. All great conversation so far!

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On 8/10/2022 at 9:50 AM, jlukes said:

Vokey D grind. It has high bounce when you need it but is super versatile. I tried going back to the M grind recently and learned I prefer the D grind even on firmer lies!

 

...  I played the D grind down the road from jnoble in Chicago so similar Midwest conditions and I absolutely loved it. Insanely good from thick rough around the greens as well as plenty of sand in the bunkers. Moving to Phoenix with very tight lies, sandless bunkers and sticky Bermuda grass I had to go to a lower bounce 58*. Unless you are a skilled wedge player or play hard tight fairways with tight lies around the greens and in some cases basically hardpan, I think bounce is your friend and the more the better. 

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5 hours ago, chisag said:

 

...  I played the D grind down the road from jnoble in Chicago so similar Midwest conditions and I absolutely loved it. Insanely good from thick rough around the greens as well as plenty of sand in the bunkers. Moving to Phoenix with very tight lies, sandless bunkers and sticky Bermuda grass I had to go to a lower bounce 58*. Unless you are a skilled wedge player or play hard tight fairways with tight lies around the greens and in some cases basically hardpan, I think bounce is your friend and the more the better. 

What do you do when you have all of the above? 
 

That’s the Florida dilemma of course. At least AZ is basically dry year round. Our conditions change radically between March and July - like 2 different places. 

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2 minutes ago, revkev said:

What do you do when you have all of the above? 
 

That’s the Florida dilemma of course. At least AZ is basically dry year round. Our conditions change radically between March and July - like 2 different places. 

 

... It gets softer here in the summer as they change the grass and water constantly but not a radical change. Not as lush as the midwest or maybe Florida so the low bounce still works well in the Sumer here. That said, I still have my D grind so if I vacation or participate in an outing someplace lush, I have the appropriate wedge. Having an extra wedge is never a bad idea. 

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On 8/9/2022 at 11:09 AM, Jnoble89 said:

I am going to be adding either a 58* or 60* lob wedge to my bag this year during my offseason winter months. I'm looking for opinions/feedback on both loft and bounce. I don't take deep divots and want something that is going to give me the most versatility for varying lies. I saw Taylormade just released the Hi Toe 3 and the 60 comes in a 7 or 10 bounce.

I've currently got a 44* PW  & 56* SW in the bag, and will probably add a 52* gap wedge as well. 

TIA for the feedback!

You've got a lot of options. 
I assume you plan to keep the 44 PW. 

I know you didn't ask this question but I'd go: 50 GW, 54 SW and 60 LW. 

BTW - The 60 TM Hi-Toe also comes in 13 degree bounce. (Which indecently is what I carry.) 

Personally, I love the TM Hi-Toe wedges. But wedges are a very personal thing. I know guys who hate them. Some prefer a more traditional look. In my opinion what every you plan to play out of the sand should be a hi-toe. Why not give yourself more real estate when playing from the sand? I believe it will add to your confidence. It does mine. 

One thing to think about is what the ground is like when you play. I play early AM a lot and the ground is often wet and squishy. So, I like more bounce on my 60 than most folks do. If you are playing off rock-hard ground and tightly cut fairways that bounce will likely hinder your off the tight, hard lies. 

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19 hours ago, chisag said:

Unless you are a skilled wedge player or play hard tight fairways with tight lies around the greens and in some cases basically hardpan, I think bounce is your friend and the more the better. 

I couldn't agree more. 

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13 hours ago, revkev said:

What do you do when you have all of the above? s. 

I know many folks who carry a low bounce 60 and a high bounce 56. 

I even know one dude who carries a low bound 58 and a high bounce 58. His next most lofted club is a 52. 

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48 minutes ago, Chester3488 said:

I know many folks who carry a low bounce 60 and a high bounce 56. 

I even know one dude who carries a low bound 58 and a high bounce 58. His next most lofted club is a 52. 

Everything is possible - if you carry two wedges like that I would assume that the low bounce one is used for full shots and the high bounce around the green and out of the sand.  If you play the same course almost exclusively you can really tailor your set to the course as you normally find it.  

 

Beyond a doubt the most generic thing to have is one of your most lofted wedges higher bounce and the other with less bounce.  Before I moved to SCORs about 10 years ago or so I used to have two full sets of wedges - my summer ones and my winter ones to account for the different conditions in Florida.  The summer ones had much more bounce because its very wet here now (it rains nearly every day for a bit - you just hope that's not when you're planning to play because most of our courses drain quickly.) Many of our courses even change their sand and their grasses depending upon the season of the year although the grass change is getting to be far less than it used to be as more hybrid grasses are employed on our area courses.

 

The V soles work in differing conditions far better so I don't have to go through the seasonal wedge change any more.

 

In the end the best more for the OP remains to go to a qualified fitter and work out what's best for his game.

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5 hours ago, Chester3488 said:

You've got a lot of options. 
I assume you plan to keep the 44 PW. 

I know you didn't ask this question but I'd go: 50 GW, 54 SW and 60 LW. 

BTW - The 60 TM Hi-Toe also comes in 13 degree bounce. (Which indecently is what I carry.) 

Personally, I love the TM Hi-Toe wedges. But wedges are a very personal thing. I know guys who hate them. Some prefer a more traditional look. In my opinion what every you plan to play out of the sand should be a hi-toe. Why not give yourself more real estate when playing from the sand? I believe it will add to your confidence. It does mine. 

One thing to think about is what the ground is like when you play. I play early AM a lot and the ground is often wet and squishy. So, I like more bounce on my 60 than most folks do. If you are playing off rock-hard ground and tightly cut fairways that bounce will likely hinder your off the tight, hard lies. 

Yes, I am keeping the 44 PW. I have considered exactly what you said with a 50, 54, 60, but I really like my 56. I’ve had it for a long time and we get along pretty well the majority of the time. I was considering getting the 50 GW that goes with my irons set, but after some feedback in this forum I may look for something where I can choose the bounce that will fit what I want to do with a 50 most often, which is 3/4 to full shots. I have seen the Hi Toe wedges at the pro shop of the club I play most often, but haven’t been able to hit one since they don’t have any lefties 🙃 I do like the look of them though. Like you mentioned, it just has a look that I think would give me some added confidence, which is huge for me mentally. 

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I rarely hit a runner, I almost always go high. I used to play a 60/4 but after playing around with an 8 I bought a SM9 60/8. I found I can still get the ball up just as easy, even on hard pan, but when the grass is growing against you and kind of gnarly (even though it's still tightly mowed), I can get the club through it. My 60/4 could get hung up. 

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I would take a close look at the Edison Wedges. Terry Koehler, aka “The Wedge Guy”, has been designing wedges for us mere mortals forever. His specific grind and design should make it much easier for you to choose and use. 

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On 8/10/2022 at 4:04 AM, mikeanthony said:

+1 on that. I’m a firm believer in having the SW at a higher bounce and LW at a lower bounce. 

Just 2 weeks ago I ordered T22s in 55/13 and 59/5. 

Agree. I have T20’s raw at 54/12, 58/08. 7E8A9441-A66F-415A-BD44-A7F251996D7D.jpeg.3e8b7ae07dd82926dceb1c6e4e718804.jpeg

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No one can give you an answer on that. It is all going to depend on your swing, what conditions you are going to use it one etc. Try 2 or 3 different bounces that covers most of what you want to do and go from there

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22 hours ago, revkev said:

What do you do when you have all of the above? 
 

That’s the Florida dilemma of course. At least AZ is basically dry year round. Our conditions change radically between March and July - like 2 different places. 

I live in Florida as well so I hear ya. That’s when when I was originally fitted my fitter suggested going mid road 10 deg bounce on everything (Callaway standard S grind). Once I refined my short game technique I was able to dial in more on what I desired from bounce and grind and now I’m into Mizunos. 
 

like RevKev described I’m overall a 16 Hdcp but my short game according to Arccos playing more around 7-8….I struggle out of the tee box

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On 8/9/2022 at 10:09 AM, Jnoble89 said:

I am going to be adding either a 58* or 60* lob wedge to my bag this year during my offseason winter months. I'm looking for opinions/feedback on both loft and bounce. I don't take deep divots and want something that is going to give me the most versatility for varying lies. I saw Taylormade just released the Hi Toe 3 and the 60 comes in a 7 or 10 bounce.

I've currently got a 44* PW  & 56* SW in the bag, and will probably add a 52* gap wedge as well. 

TIA for the feedback!

I would add a 50* gap wedge, not a 52*, only because your PW is 44*, gapping 6*, not 8*, which is a lot. Having a 56* sand, I would go for a 60*, or 62*, for your lob, to keep your gapping consistent at 6*. 

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2 hours ago, grbaker2 said:

Agree. I have T20’s raw at 54/12, 58/08. 7E8A9441-A66F-415A-BD44-A7F251996D7D.jpeg.3e8b7ae07dd82926dceb1c6e4e718804.jpeg

Depends on what type of courses you play. If they are lush, with sugar sand, play standard bounce on every wedge. If you play hardpan, like I do here in the Midwest, and most courses don't have sugar sand, play low bounce wedges, like I have. My sand is a 54*, with a 12 bounce, whereas standard bounce is 14. My lob is low, as is my gap wedge. I play all these public courses, and the sand traps actually have pea gravel mixed in the sand..Pisses me off, ruins a wedge over time. I TRY harder to stay out of bunkers!

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