Mizuno JPX 923

[GolfSpy TCB]

2 hours ago, Golfspy_TCB said:

Thanks for the link Matt!!

just watched the vid... can't choose which I like better... the whole line is impressive.

 

[dlow206]

put my order in 5 to PW HM Pro. i placed a custom order to let Mizuno bend the irons 2 flat, don't know how hard this nickel chromoly will be to bend. i will spot check and fine tune the lie angles when i receive them, as well as reshaft. 

[MattF]

1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

put my order in 5 to PW HM Pro. i placed a custom order to let Mizuno bend the irons 2 flat, don't know how hard this nickel chromoly will be to bend. i will spot check and fine tune the lie angles when i receive them, as well as reshaft. 

Not that difficult, I had mine done 2° up.

[Rickp]

The “HL” have my interest.  Should be a choice iron for my age group.

[TheCanadianBogeyman]

These irons look great.  But I really don't understand the need for so many models.  Seems like there is more overlap than is necessary.  Is there anyone playing the tour that wouldn't be suited to something in the Pro line?  Does anyone who plays the HM think they couldn't get the same thing out of the HM pro, or vice versa?

I would think that Mizuno could offer the HM forged, HM pro, and HM high launch and combined with the Pro series, and still cover all golfers needs.  They could even go as far as to do what Ping does with offering different loft specs in each series so players/fitters could dial in spin and ball flight to a greater degree.

[Middler]

Didn't have any real solid basis, but I didn't realize the HM was Mizuno's best selling iron, followed by the HMP. I've always considered Mizuno's (Chuo) forging tech was what set them apart from many others, never stopped to think forged irons are a increasingly a smaller niche. Kinda gives new meaning to nothing feels like a Mizuno (all relative?) I may be buying my first cast irons ever after 58 years all forged...

When I started playing golf, there weren’t any irons that weren’t forged. Now they’re niche halo products?

[dlow206]

this is a good video. Hot Metals in general do well with Toe strikes, no wonder i like them

 

[Golfspy_CG2]

9 hours ago, Middler said:

Didn't have any real solid basis, but I didn't realize the HM was Mizuno's best selling iron, followed by the HMP. I've always considered Mizuno's (Chuo) forging tech was what set them apart from many others, never stopped to think forged irons are a increasingly a smaller niche. Kinda gives new meaning to nothing feels like a Mizuno (all relative?) I may be buying my first cast irons ever after 58 years all forged...

So a bit of perspective. Before the JPX900 model Mizuno had about 2% retail market share of irons.   It is now pushing 10% and one model is predominately responsible for that. The Hot Metal.  And as you said as of last year Hot Metal Pro helping it out.  
 

The last official numbers I saw had Trulu forged irons at less than 1% of retail sales.   In other words for every Mizuno Pro 221 snd 223 sold there are 199 Hot Metals.  For every 100 Callaway Apex their are 99 Rogues.  Etc.  Etc. 
 

Those percentages are a bit higher among Golf Forum members

[Golfspy_CG2]

On 9/23/2022 at 8:14 PM, Rickp said:

The “HL” have my interest.  Should be a choice iron for my age group.

You are correct Rick.  
 

So some interesting and very basic LM data from my Mevo this AM.  I took the Hot Metal HL 7 iron out vs my Gen 5 XP 7 iron and here is a summary.  I am the poster child target audience for the HL,  Swing speed mid 73 to 75 mph., not enough speed to get a high launch and decent.  

 

But from this limited sample of 10 shots each after warming up heres what I saw. 

 

Editorial note, these numbers are a bit off from my normal, not so much CHS but ball speed and smash, as I am 1 week out from Cataract surgery, so contact was questionable at best all across the board, but same for both.  
 

The carry distance is about 15 yards off whst I get on course   Swing speed is about 3-4 mph off normal  

 

CHS-                    Gen 5    73.01           Hot Metal Averaged 73.38 

Ball Speed            Gen  5  91.68           Hot Metal HL 94.33

Smash                  Gen 5      1.24          Hot Metal HL  1.28 

Carry                    Gen 5    115.01   Hot Metal HL 115.93  

Spin                      Gen 5    6342          Hot Metal  7738 

Launch                 Gen 5     22.02         Hot Metal HL 26.6 

Peak Height         Gen 5     65.98         Hot Metal HL  84.17

 

So it's pretty obvious, the Hot Metal HL does exactlyh what Mizuno has desgined it to do.  With higher lofts you would expect higher, launch, Spin and height.   And those are all signiciantly higher than the Gen 5 XP   

 

And even with the weaker loft, they had higher ball speed and almost not quite a yard more carry.   That I would assume comes exactly from the new Nickel Chomoly Mizuno is touting in these.

 

So anyway gave the ego a blow by posting those numbers, but hopefully it will helps someone with similar swig speeds that needs to hit the ball higher wondering what they will gain/lose out of them.

[Rickp]

7 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

You are correct Rick.  
 

So some interesting and very basic LM data from my Mevo this AM.  I took the Hot Metal HL 7 iron out vs my Gen 5 XP 7 iron and here is a summary.  I am the poster child target audience for the HL,  Swing speed mid 73 to 75 mph., not enough speed to get a high launch and decent.  

 

But from this limited sample of 10 shots each after warming up heres what I saw. 

 

Editorial note, these numbers are a bit off from my normal, not so much CHS but ball speed and smash, as I am 1 week out from Cataract surgery, so contact was questionable at best all across the board, but same for both.  
 

The carry distance is about 15 yards off whst I get on course   Swing speed is about 3-4 mph off normal  

 

CHS-                    Gen 5    73.01           Hot Metal Averaged 73.38 

Ball Speed            Gen  5  91.68           Hot Metal HL 94.33

Smash                  Gen 5      1.24          Hot Metal HL  1.28 

Carry                    Gen 5    115.01   Hot Metal HL 115.93  

Spin                      Gen 5    6342          Hot Metal  7738 

Launch                 Gen 5     22.02         Hot Metal HL 26.6 

Peak Height         Gen 5     65.98         Hot Metal HL  84.17

 

So it's pretty obvious, the Hot Metal HL does exactlyh what Mizuno has desgined it to do.  With higher lofts you would expect higher, launch, Spin and height.   And those are all signiciantly higher than the Gen 5 XP   

 

And even with the weaker loft, they had higher ball speed and almost not quite a yard more carry.   That I would assume comes exactly from the new Nickel Chomoly Mizuno is touting in these.

 

So anyway gave the ego a blow by posting those numbers, but hopefully it will helps someone with similar swig speeds that needs to hit the ball higher wondering what they will gain/lose out of them.

Thanks Rob.  It seems Mizuno never disappoints. Now that I’m healing after my knee surgery I want to take a really good look at these, your numbers are interesting and I know they’re real not PR Marketing.

[GolfSpy TCB]

15 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

So some interesting and very basic LM data from my Mevo this AM. 

From the MGS Blog:

WHO IS THE JPX 923 HOT METAL HL PLAYER?
Mizuno found that the breakeven point between HL and standard Hot Metal is right around a 73-mph 7-iron. If you don’t know your 7-iron speed, it works out to something between 87 and 90 mph with a driver. If you’re below that, Mizuno thinks there’s a good chance you’ll be better served by JPX 923 Hot Metal HL.

Read the full article here:  https://mygolfspy.com/mizuno-jpx-923-hot-metal-iron-family-standard-pro-hl/

Once again... my swing speed fits exactly between the breakpoints.  The HL is VERY intriguing to me.  While my age increases, by iron apex does not.  While I know distance in irons is a subjective number...  I am already short enough with my irons to require a bag full of woods and hybrids to work my way to long par 4's and in some cases... long par 3's.  I have a mental tango with my self often thinking about which is more accurate at longer distances... at 185... I have an iron, a hybrid and a fairway that go the same distance I could add to my bag... the question is... which one is going to give me the most chance for lower scores... right now, the 7 wood wins (I can use it in more applications around the course), but from an accuracy standpoint, the iron would win... though it is a lower and less carry/more roll application.  This JPX HL may close that gap between the two.  I believe the MGS writeup talks about this - but it isn't just about reducing loft... there also needs to be help to get the ball up in the air at that lower loft.  Without testing the JPX 923 line yet... I can't say if that has been improved this year, or how it compares to my current clubs... but that will be the thing I want to see in my own ball flight testing.  

I consider myself a candidate for pretty much all 5 irons... I LOVE the look of the tour spec (thinner top line, less offset, more compact head, forged feel), but after testing some other GI irons, I can say I'm not mad at any of them... in fact - while I prefer the look of a club that more closely resembles a players blade, and confidence when looking down is a factor in execution of shots, I have come to admit that I get more consistent shots the further down the GI path I wander.  

So... what to do?  test test test and I have a feeling the choice will come down to the HL and the HMP... but that is just my prediction in an envelope.  Once I have an opportunity to try them... I am open to accepting the results - even if that means for a little less distance out of the iron set... trading for improved gapping across the set... I guess I'll add a 9 wood if I need to.

Really looking forward to all the reviews (mainly from the members here... best testers there are IMHO), as these JPX's make their way into your hands. 

[ryan.mzzz]

On 8/22/2022 at 10:52 AM, GolfSpy_BOS said:

That's super interesting.  I hit the 225s at a golf show and thought they felt amazing even compared to my Forged Tec which I think feel really good.  Granted, that was not with my normal ball... and I've been itching to go try them out again with my usual ball.  I know that the hollow body category can suffer in the feel/sound department.  I just feel the 225s are on the better end.  

Different strokes for different folks I guess!

RE: the new JPX line.. I'll be curious to see the final specs and see where these fit in from a loft progression stand point.  and then would like to see if they feel better than the 225s.  Of course, they'll have to beat out the Forged Tec's which have been great for me for any of that to matter.

 

14 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

So a bit of perspective. Before the JPX900 model Mizuno had about 2% retail market share of irons.   It is now pushing 10% and one model is predominately responsible for that. The Hot Metal.  And as you said as of last year Hot Metal Pro helping it out.  
 

The last official numbers I saw had Trulu forged irons at less than 1% of retail sales.   In other words for every Mizuno Pro 221 snd 223 sold there are 199 Hot Metals.  For every 100 Callaway Apex their are 99 Rogues.  Etc.  Etc. 
 

Those percentages are a bit higher among Golf Forum members

I guess with those sales numbers i’m lucky we are getting clubs like the tour and forged at all, which I can’t wait to hit and fit into with some modern shafts. 

though I have been checking out 919 tours on ebay this morning, as they seem to be the last club mizuno made with the 1025e steel, so they should have the feel i’m looking for, in the lofts i want, and I can actually get a hold of them for the good weather part of the year down here in south florida.  I don’t need to make a change right now, but i’m starting to feel the itch. 

I’m definitely jealous of the guys on this thread whose preferred model wasn’t delayed with Mizuno’s  staggered release. 

[Golfspy_CG2]

9 hours ago, Rickp said:

Thanks Rob.  It seems Mizuno never disappoints. Now that I’m healing after my knee surgery I want to take a really good look at these, your numbers are interesting and I know they’re real not PR Marketing.

Rick. If I was going to lie. I certainly would make up those numbers.   Ha 

[Golfspy_CG2]

3 hours ago, ryan.mzzz said:

 

I guess with those sales numbers i’m lucky we are getting clubs like the tour and forged at all, which I can’t wait to hit and fit into with some modern shafts. 

though I have been checking out 919 tours on ebay this morning, as they seem to be the last club mizuno made with the 1025e steel, so they should have the feel i’m looking for, in the lofts i want, and I can actually get a hold of them for the good weather part of the year down here in south florida.  I don’t need to make a change right now, but i’m starting to feel the itch. 

I’m definitely jealous of the guys on this thread whose preferred model wasn’t delayed with Mizuno’s  staggered release. 

Well they may be the bulk of there sales.  But 3 years ago.  Chris Voshall told us in a meeting, that if they could only make one club.  It was be the JPX Forged.   He  said it fit the widest range of players on bolt ends od the handicap scale. 
 

In a funny comment he made when asked why there were no 3 irons offered in any line.   He smiled and said, only a couple of our Tour players want a 3 iron. So if they aren’t going to play it, we certainly aren’t going to make it for the casual player.   
 

LOL. Gotta love internet golfers

[sirchunksalot]

3 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Well they may be the bulk of there sales.  But 3 years ago.  Chris Voshall told us in a meeting, that if they could only make one club.  It was be the JPX Forged.   He  said it fit the widest range of players on bolt ends od the handicap scale. 
 

In a funny comment he made when asked why there were no 3 irons offered in any line.   He smiled and said, only a couple of our Tour players want a 3 iron. So if they aren’t going to play it, we certainly aren’t going to make it for the casual player.   
 

LOL. Gotta love internet golfers

I'm finding the forged to be a great iron, they're as long as the F8's I had and pretty forgiving. Now, that's not to say I'm hitting them like they deserve. There's not an iron out there that can make a shank fly true and straight. That's more down to me and what I'm doing, but once I get that figured out...watch out. 

Also, the new 923 lineup is looking like it's going to be a performer. 

[MattF]

The new HMP is the goods. The tech really helps on mishits. #17 at my club yesterday, 180 to the middle, hit my 5 iron off the toe area. Right side of the green, still pin high. (Don't worry about the sh!t drive)

[GolfSpy TCB]

56 minutes ago, MattF said:

The new HMP is the goods. The tech really helps on mishits

I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on the differences between your previous set and the new JPX923 HMP's.  Specifically the launch characteristics.  I have a feeling the new tech is a higher, but equally penetrating flight... but haven't had the chance to test for myself.

[MattF]

3 hours ago, Golfspy_TCB said:

I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on the differences between your previous set and the new JPX923 HMP's.  Specifically the launch characteristics.  I have a feeling the new tech is a higher, but equally penetrating flight... but haven't had the chance to test for myself.

No idea about launch. I don't have a monitor and to be honest, have no interest in doing anything with one. I'm an eyeball and feeling guy.

They feel so much better on mishits than either the Wilsons or DBMs ever did. They also perform better on the mishits than either of them. When struck properly, to my eye, they seem to land softer than either of my previous irons.

[GolfSpy TCB]

28 minutes ago, MattF said:

no idea about launch. I don't have a monitor and to be honest, have no interest in doing anything with one.

Thanks Matt, I used "launch" as a buzzword... what I really wanted to know is if to your eye they flew the same or higher (or lower), and gave you similar, better or worse distance.  Sounds like they are a huge winner for mishits... which is awesome as well.  

I'm not adverse to LM data... but at the same time... I have a tendency to spend my time hitting balls rather than setting up the LM (or connecting to one at my range).  My hands, my ears, and my eyes are how I gauge if a club is a match for me...

[MattF]

2 hours ago, Golfspy_TCB said:

Thanks Matt, I used "launch" as a buzzword... what I really wanted to know is if to your eye they flew the same or higher (or lower), and gave you similar, better or worse distance.  Sounds like they are a huge winner for mishits... which is awesome as well.  

I'm not adverse to LM data... but at the same time... I have a tendency to spend my time hitting balls rather than setting up the LM (or connecting to one at my range).  My hands, my ears, and my eyes are how I gauge if a club is a match for me...

 Right at the moment I'm getting about the same distance, but I expect that to change to the tune of 5-10 yards.

The mishits are the real winner for me. Even if it's off line, expecting it to still be near pin high will be great.