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7 minutes ago, Rickp said:

You’re a lot younger with faster swing speed than me.  I’m thinking the HL will be my iron if choice.  The only reason I’m going for a fitting will be the shaft options for an Ole Fart like myself.  My 2nd concern will be what irons I need 6 thru GW or even 7-GW.  My 6 hybrid has been pretty good.
I remember the day when my set was 3-PW!!! 
Don’t get old Grasshoppers!!!

The HL irons are great, not just for slower swing speeds. I was closely considering the HL, but think I am going to go with the standard HM bent weak. 

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Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft

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Driver:callaway-small: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex
Fairway Woods:callaway-small: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood
Irons:mizuno-small: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip
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On 9/27/2022 at 12:22 PM, Samsonite said:

Okay - here's my next question.  So, I'm definitely not the market for the HMHL - driver is between 99-101, typically.  But: why wouldn't someone like me look at the HL?  I mean, I don't mind the loft being more "traditional", it's something I've been looking at anyway, since I'd rather get consistent distance control than sometimes hitting a 185 yard 7-iron (Sim Max to the rescue?) and other times hitting it 170...  I guess I'm wondering why the high launch would be a bad fit for someone with faster swing speeds - would the ball just spin up too much?  Go "too high" (shout out to Major League)?  How much different would the HL (at 31) be from, say, a MP225/223 at 32 (recognizing fully that those are not nearly as chunky - I'm just spit-balling here)?  

I'm guessing that my swing speed is sufficient to get the desired height from the HM/Pro model, and therefore that would be the better fit, I'm just not sure I need to be hitting a 28.5 degree 7-iron.  

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Confused in Santa Clarita

You should watch the video Ian did with Chris Voshall on the entire lineup.   Ian won’t a 92 mph 7 iron swing speed was having fun with the HL.  But his results were very playable.  He loved the spin and stopping power he was getting. 

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:titelist-small: T200 5-GW SteelFiber I80 

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Took our fitting cart and Swing DNA out to fit myself for the HL.   That thing is really smart.  2 of the 3 irons it suggested for me are irons I have been fit into before. One of them just 4 months ago.   The third is a brand new shaft from KBS.   But it replaces one I was fit onto before.   It’s such an easy and accurate Device.  
 

i encourage anyone that is able to ask their fitter to use it, to do so.  We have used it for non Mizuno fittings …sush don’t tell 😬

I really liked what o was seeing out of the HL.  So I ordered the 5-SW with the KBS.I love my vokeys.  But I’m curious what it’s 55\12 sand wedge will play like.  
 

here’s my DNA results. 
 

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:titelist-small: TSiR2 10.0  Tensei Blue X ink 55g 

:titelist-small: TSR2 16.5 PX Evenflow 5.5 60 g 

:titelist-small: TSi1 20 and 23 degree hybrids Aldila Ascent Shafts R

:titelist-small: T200 5-GW SteelFiber I80 

:titelist-small: SM8 48F/54/58 D Grinds 

:scotty-cameron-1: Select 5.5 Flowback 35" 

:titelist-small: ProV1X Play number 12

 

 

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6 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Took our fitting cart and Swing DNA out to fit myself for the HL.   That thing is really smart.  2 of the 3 irons it suggested for me are irons I have been fit into before. One of them just 4 months ago.   The third is a brand new shaft from KBS.   But it replaces one I was fit onto before.   It’s such an easy and accurate Device.  
 

i encourage anyone that is able to ask their fitter to use it, to do so.  We have used it for non Mizuno fittings …sush don’t tell 😬

I really liked what o was seeing out of the HL.  So I ordered the 5-SW actually. I love my vokeys.  But I’m curious what it’s 55\12 sand wedge will play like.  
 

here’s my DNA results. 
 

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Well did you go Modus or steelfiber?

Driver: :callaway-small: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S

3w/5w: :titelist-small: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S

4h: :mizuno-small: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S

Irons 5-PW: :mizuno-small: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S

Wedges: :cleveland-small: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105

Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 w/ BGT Stability Tour

Ball: :srixon-small: Z-Star Diamond

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47 minutes ago, yungkory said:

 

Well did you go Modus or steelfiber?

Yeah I forgot that detail.  Ha.  I went with the KBS.  I think a 95g weight is my wheelhouse.  All three had very similar results.  
 

And our Lead Instructor who was watching me for a 3nd set of eyes said they all looked good to him.  So it wasn’t worth the upcharge to SF and Modus being a few grams heavier and about 8 grams above my ideal I I felt the KBS would be best.   I also have payed the KBS Tour 90 in a few sets in the past as well as C Taper Lt…but that is up in the 110 range and that was 5 yesrs or so ago. 

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:titelist-small: TSR2 16.5 PX Evenflow 5.5 60 g 

:titelist-small: TSi1 20 and 23 degree hybrids Aldila Ascent Shafts R

:titelist-small: T200 5-GW SteelFiber I80 

:titelist-small: SM8 48F/54/58 D Grinds 

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That Optimizer ALWAYS shows Steelfibers as a fit, regardless of the fact that it feels like crap for the majority of people.

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Hybrid: :mizuno-small: Fli Hi 3 & 4 Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 80 6.0

Irons: :mizuno-small: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4
Wedges: :mizuno-small: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4
Putter :Sub70: Sycamore 005 Wide Blade
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Balls: :mizuno-small: RB Tour or RB Tour X

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9 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Took our fitting cart and Swing DNA out to fit myself for the HL.   That thing is really smart.  2 of the 3 irons it suggested for me are irons I have been fit into before. One of them just 4 months ago.   The third is a brand new shaft from KBS.   But it replaces one I was fit onto before.   It’s such an easy and accurate Device.  
 

i encourage anyone that is able to ask their fitter to use it, to do so.  We have used it for non Mizuno fittings …sush don’t tell 😬

I really liked what o was seeing out of the HL.  So I ordered the 5-SW with the KBS.I love my vokeys.  But I’m curious what it’s 55\12 sand wedge will play like.  

I’ve done the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D twice, and I’d recommend it as well. Not a replacement for a quality fitting, but it will point most people in the right direction. You could buy any of the top three recommended shafts and not be too far from well fit.

Even if you may buy another brand of irons, I’d do the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer anyway.

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2 hours ago, MattF said:

That Optimizer ALWAYS shows Steelfibers as a fit, regardless of the fact that it feels like crap for the majority of people.

i've been playing Steelfibers for so long (almost a year is a long time in my book), that i almost forgot that shafts can have feel lol. 

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Updated 07/15/2022
Driver:callaway-small: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex
Fairway Woods:callaway-small: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood
Irons:mizuno-small: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip
Wedges:ping-small: Glide 4.0 54 and 58
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12 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Took our fitting cart and Swing DNA out to fit myself for the HL.   That thing is really smart.  2 of the 3 irons it suggested for me are irons I have been fit into before. One of them just 4 months ago.   The third is a brand new shaft from KBS.   But it replaces one I was fit onto before.   It’s such an easy and accurate Device.  
 

i encourage anyone that is able to ask their fitter to use it, to do so.  We have used it for non Mizuno fittings …sush don’t tell 😬

I really liked what o was seeing out of the HL.  So I ordered the 5-SW with the KBS.I love my vokeys.  But I’m curious what it’s 55\12 sand wedge will play like.  
 

here’s my DNA results. 
 

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From yesterday, my best shaft didn't end up being one that was in the top 3, but i would say it is similar in nature to the others in the top 3 (i.e. lightweight steel, mid to upper 90 grams, "higher" launching, etc.), so i would consider Mizuno getting it right for me. I didn't get recommended any of the graphite shafts like you had in the list above, but all the others listed for you were in about my top 5. 

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Updated 07/15/2022
Driver:callaway-small: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex
Fairway Woods:callaway-small: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood
Irons:mizuno-small: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip
Wedges:ping-small: Glide 4.0 54 and 58
Putter:  :ping-small: PLD Custom Kushin 4

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13 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

You should watch the video Ian did with Chris Voshall on the entire lineup.   Ian won’t a 92 mph 7 iron swing speed was having fun with the HL.  But his results were very playable.  He loved the spin and stopping power he was getting. 

I did! I loved it - that's what has me a little confused, ultimately.  Seems like these things (other than being "chunky") seem to be pretty amazing - they launch it HIGH, stopping power for days, no real distance drop-off (even given the weaker lofts) - I guess I'm just wondering why a mid-handicapper (I mean, I'm a 12 - does that count as "mid") wouldn't think about putting these things in the bag.  I do understand if you were playing in a lot of windy conditions they may not be the best option - I guess there really is a thing with "too high" being a problem.  

The "look" of the HM Pro definitely has me intrigued - especially if bent slightly weaker (say, 30 degree 7-iron) - but I'm in Sim Max irons now, so I'm guessing the "chunk" of the HL's wouldn't be any kind of shock to my system, lol.

 

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Irons (4-PW) - :taylormade-small:- SIM Max, Nippon Modus Tour 105 Stiff
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8 hours ago, MattF said:

That Optimizer ALWAYS shows Steelfibers as a fit, regardless of the fact that it feels like crap for the majority of people.

Not in our case,it rarely comes up. We get recoil a lot.  I actually like the feel of it, it fits my aggressive transition which quickly becomes "moderate" speed 🙂

 

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:titelist-small: T200 5-GW SteelFiber I80 

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7 hours ago, Middler said:

I’ve done the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D twice, and I’d recommend it as well. Not a replacement for a quality fitting, but it will point most people in the right direction. You could buy any of the top three recommended shafts and not be too far from well fit.

Even if you may buy another brand of irons, I’d do the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer anyway.

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Yeah, correct.  It's not meant by any means to repalce a quality fitting.  It's actually the starting point in a quality fitting, well starting after the fitter has done an interview with the palyer to get a feel for his game etc.  It saves us from "guessing" which of the 40 or so shafts on hand might work.  Often times if a player has been fit before, one of the choices will be something he's played and the others may be ones he heard about or wondered about. 

 

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:titelist-small: T200 5-GW SteelFiber I80 

:titelist-small: SM8 48F/54/58 D Grinds 

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8 hours ago, MattF said:

That Optimizer ALWAYS shows Steelfibers as a fit, regardless of the fact that it feels like crap for the majority of people.

Hasn’t come up in either session I had with Shaft Optimizer and a predecessor. In my case the Recoil 95 was the first graphite shaft that came back, though well down the list. I doubt “ALWAYS” or even often is true, where did you get that?

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15 hours ago, Middler said:

Hasn’t come up in either session I had with Shaft Optimizer and a predecessor. In my case the Recoil 95 was the first graphite shaft that came back, though well down the list. I doubt “ALWAYS” or even often is true, where did you get that?

The Mizuno rep for NEO that fitted me said he sees it all the time and wouldn't recommend it for anyone. It was the first shaft listed for me when we did my fitting.

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Hybrid: :mizuno-small: Fli Hi 3 & 4 Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 80 6.0

Irons: :mizuno-small: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4
Wedges: :mizuno-small: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4
Putter :Sub70: Sycamore 005 Wide Blade
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I would like to see one or two more offerings in light weight (50 to 75g) graphite for us old farts. 

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Ping G425 Max

Callaway Epic Max 5 wood

Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees

Callaway Epic Max 11 wood

PXG 0311P Gen. 3  6-GW

PXG 0211 5-GW

PXG 0211 sand wedge bent to 53 degrees

Maltby M Series+ 54 degree

Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree

Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree

Evnroll ER2

Ping Sigma 2 Anser

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4 hours ago, Hook DeLoft said:

I would like to see one or two more offerings in light weight (50 to 75g) graphite for us old farts. 

they have UST MAMIYA RECOIL ESX GRAPHITE

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Fairway Woods:callaway-small: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood
Irons:mizuno-small: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip
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6 hours ago, Hook DeLoft said:

I would like to see one or two more offerings in light weight (50 to 75g) graphite for us old farts. 

Like these?

 

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On 9/29/2022 at 7:09 AM, MattF said:

That Optimizer ALWAYS shows Steelfibers as a fit, regardless of the fact that it feels like crap for the majority of people.

It’s why hitting the shafts are a must and even more so a fitting. The tool is a starting point to narrow down potential shafts.

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Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

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6 hours ago, MattF said:

The Mizuno rep for NEO that fitted me said he sees it all the time and wouldn't recommend it for anyone. It was the first shaft listed for me when we did my fitting.

Curious why he said he never Recommends it.   I have them in my OXf and they are great I always steered away from them thinking they were too “stout” “boardy” or “harsh” for me.  But the results of them in my PXG fitting were amazing in terms of dispersion and differential.    I think like any shaft it’s important to get weight correct.  In the right weight for a golfer. I think it’s a great option.  Albeit an expensive one. 

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1 hour ago, Middler said:

Like these?

 

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I am aware of those.  I would like to see a couple of other choices.  Perhaps KBS and MMT.

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Ping G425 Max

Callaway Epic Max 5 wood

Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees

Callaway Epic Max 11 wood

PXG 0311P Gen. 3  6-GW

PXG 0211 5-GW

PXG 0211 sand wedge bent to 53 degrees

Maltby M Series+ 54 degree

Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree

Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree

Evnroll ER2

Ping Sigma 2 Anser

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