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1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Yeah, I think all those assumptions are pretty spot on.  I'm going back and forth with our rep to set up a time to meet.  Was supposed to be last week but he had to cancel.   Also waiting on the heads for our fitting cart but no estimated arrival on those yet.

Mizuno did a chart last year and I assume they will with the new ones, showing each head on a graph from say least forgiving on the far left to most forgiving on the far right with both the Pro and JPX lines accounted for.   I think it pretty much falls in line with what you mentoned above on offset specs and such.

This is fascinating to me - I didn't realize that the two lines had differing offsets.  So the 223 would be for someone who likes as little offset as possible, while the JPX Tour/Pro would have slightly more?  Is that catering to two different caliber players, or is it just preferential?  As my swing has gotten more mechanically sound and my contact gets better, I'm noticing more and more the offset in my clubs (not BAD for me, per se, but definitely noticeable), and I'm curious if the "JPX" line, in general, caters more to a specific player than the MP line does.

In my fitting, I hit the 919 Hot Metal, and it was hands-down the best-feeling club I hit in that fitting, but it was just slightly out of my budget at the time, so ended up with the Sim Max heads, which have done great for me over the last two years.  

It's pretty nerdy that I'm fascinated by this nuance, isn't it? You can say yes - I can take it.  🙂

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Here's the chart I was talking about, it's from 2020 I believe after the JPX21 line was released.  I think it will hold true to the current Mizumo Pro and JPX23 lineup as well.  With the addtion of the Hot Metal HL probably being slotted at the very top right after the Hot Metal.

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MP20 MB = Mizuno Pro 22

MP20 MMC = Mizuno Pro 223

MP20 HMB = Mizuno Pro 225

 

 

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1 hour ago, Samsonite said:

It's pretty nerdy that I'm fascinated by this nuance, isn't it? You can say yes - I can take it.  🙂

I think you have aptly described most of us here 🙂

Just to add a bit to @Golfspy_CG2 post above, there are a several factors that can provide the golfer forgiveness... including where the weight is positioned around the club head (lower weight distribution to help the ball get up - especially for slower swing speeds, and/or with less of a negative AoA).  Another of the methods to help add forgiveness is the offset.  You could argue that more offset is for higher handicap players, and lower offset for better players - and is true to a certain extent... but that isn't absolute.  Personal preference also plays a role.  But in general, more offset helps the golfer square the club face from open, so golfers with fade/slice or push tendency would find more offset helpful in straightening out the shot shape.  It also improves the launch by moving the club center of gravity back further... helping the ball get up in the air.  

I love the look of less offset personally, and I can better judge my club face "squareness" with less offset (or shape shots both directions easier)... which is why I love a blade.. (and don't get me started on the top line discussion ;)), and also why I chose my current gamers (they offered lower offset with a bit more GI aspects than a traditional blade or players club style).  Having said that,  I have also really enjoyed testing out some other higher offset irons recently - and more offset irons may find their way into my bag at some point (which is why I'm on this thread :)). 

Anyway, as a reference point, here is a run down of the current Mizuno Irons with the offset shown on the right most chart.  

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3 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Yeah, I think all those assumptions are pretty spot on.

One correction to my own statement I realized after pulling the screen capture above... The offset for the "tour" looks to sit right between the blade and everything else... which now makes sense when I think about it.  That "tour" model JPX my be the best players club in the bunch.  Man, I can't wait to see the 923 in my hand!  CHA here I come.

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Okay, so the good news is, according to Mizuno's charts above, I should be playing either the 223, 225 or JPX Forged. 

The bad news is that, according to Mizuno's charts above, I should be playing either the 223, 225 or JPX Forged. 

I'll be right back - gotta go list a kidney on ebay.

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8 minutes ago, Tiftaaft said:

One correction to my own statement I realized after pulling the screen capture above... The offset for the "tour" looks to sit right between the blade and everything else... which now makes sense when I think about it.  That "tour" model JPX my be the best players club in the bunch.  Man, I can't wait to see the 923 in my hand!  CHA here I come.

Yeah, I wasn't going to nit pick, especially wihtout having all the data right in front of me, I figured that was the case. But that's great info onthe chart.  I think I have that one is in our MizunoFitters site somewhere as well. 

And good comment about usually for higher caps but not 100% absolute, I wish I could remember who it was but there is a tour player--current--who has made no secret about it, that he actually prefers a bit of offset in his irons.  For some reason I want to say it is Kevin Kisner, but I am probably completely wrong on that. 

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1 minute ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Yeah, I wasn't going to nit pick, especially wihtout having all the data right in front of me, I figured that was the case. But that's great info onthe chart.  I think I have that one is in our MizunoFitters site somewhere as well. 

And good comment about usually for higher caps but not 100% absolute, I wish I could remember who it was but there is a tour player--current--who has made no secret about it, that he actually prefers a bit of offset in his irons.  For some reason I want to say it is Kevin Kisner, but I am probably completely wrong on that. 

I know Adam Scott's one of one irons both from Titleist and now have more offset. That was common when he was younger to have more offset in blades is what he has said.

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21 minutes ago, Tiftaaft said:

I think you have aptly described most of us here 🙂

Just to add a bit to @Golfspy_CG2 post above, there are a several factors that can provide the golfer forgiveness... including where the weight is positioned around the club head (lower weight distribution to help the ball get up - especially for slower swing speeds, and/or with less of a negative AoA).  Another of the methods to help add forgiveness is the offset.  You could argue that more offset is for higher handicap players, and lower offset for better players - and is true to a certain extent... but that isn't absolute.  Personal preference also plays a role.  But in general, more offset helps the golfer square the club face from open, so golfers with fade/slice or push tendency would find more offset helpful in straightening out the shot shape.  It also improves the launch by moving the club center of gravity back further... helping the ball get up in the air.  

I love the look of less offset personally, and I can better judge my club face "squareness" with less offset (or shape shots both directions easier)... which is why I love a blade.. (and don't get me started on the top line discussion ;)), and also why I chose my current gamers (they offered lower offset with a bit more GI aspects than a traditional blade or players club style).  Having said that,  I have also really enjoyed testing out some other higher offset irons recently - and more offset irons may find their way into my bag at some point (which is why I'm on this thread :)). 

Anyway, as a reference point, here is a run down of the current Mizuno Irons with the offset shown on the right most chart.  

image.png.103a4263c62900326f364dbfbbae1ae9.png

Now, let your nerdiness blossom 🙂

It's the same for me... some offset definitely helps me hit it straighter, but too much and my alignment gets wonky and it does more harm than good.  

 

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It's the same for me... some offset definitely helps me hit it straighter, but too much and my alignment gets wonky and it does more harm than good.  

 

Yep, exactly for me.  Somethng like the Callaway Rogue, I couldn't stand to look at.  But the Titlesit T300 for a GI or the PXG 0311 XP are not offensive at all...to me at least. 

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2 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Yeah, I wasn't going to nit pick,

I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to nit pick myself 🙂.  

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13 minutes ago, Tiftaaft said:

I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to nit pick myself 🙂.  

@Golfspy_CG2: here, let me get that for you.

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19 minutes ago, Samsonite said:

@Golfspy_CG2: here, let me get that for you.

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I don't know whether to laugh or cringe at that, maybe I'll laugh so hard I'll start to cry and cover both bases..ha

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4 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:


Here's the chart I was talking about, it's from 2020 I believe after the JPX21 line was released.  I think it will hold true to the current Mizumo Pro and JPX23 lineup as well.  With the addtion of the Hot Metal HL probably being slotted at the very top right after the Hot Metal.

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MP20 MB = Mizuno Pro 22

MP20 MMC = Mizuno Pro 223

MP20 HMB = Mizuno Pro 225

 

 

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So if im between 16 and 20, i guess that means i should buy a blended set 😂

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12 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

So if im between 16 and 20, i guess that means i should buy a blended set 😂

Haha. I say go for the Forged so when you improve if molds into you.

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25 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Haha. I say go for the Forged so when you improve if molds into you.

I thought you were going to say he should go Forged.  Because when he decides on the next new shiny toy in 2 months you can get the Mizunos from him 😬

There’s a guy who plays at our course thst is pretty much the same specs as me.  Whenever I get a new set or irons in.  He always comes into my office and say.  “Let me see what my next set of clubs in two moths, look like”.   Ha 

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2 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I thought you were going to say he should go Forged.  Because when he decides on the next new shiny toy in 2 months you can get the Mizunos from him 😬

There’s a guy who plays at our course thst is pretty much the same specs as me.  Whenever I get a new set or irons in.  He always comes into my office and say.  “Let me see what my next set of clubs in two moths, look like”.   Ha 

well, if only @dlow206 and I were remotely close to the same specs 😛 He usually is 1/2" short and flat where i am 1/4" long and 3* upright.

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I have seen them. They look great. Ball speeds improved because they’ve gone to a nickel alloy in the chromoly that’s stronger…so thinner face. I think I heard like 8% more ball speed (robot testing of course). Forged and Tour models won’t be out until January. Hot Metal, HM Pro, and a new HL model will be available in October. 

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3 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

well, if only @dlow206 and I were remotely close to the same specs 😛 He usually is 1/2" short and flat where i am 1/4" long and 3* upright.

Not a problem reshafting and building to your spec…

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Not a problem reshafting and building to your spec…

Music to my ears

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