Shaft Fitting

[GolfSpy_KFT]

I picked up a TSi 3 over the winter with the Tensei AV Raw White 65g S flex shaft. It has been performing well, and when I did a fitting, the TSi 3 plus AV Raw White gave me the best results. Only problem is that with doing the fitting at GG, they only had the stock options for shafts to test. I don't plan on switching driver heads, but I wouldn't mind trying out some other shaft options. Do any fitting locations offer shaft fittings only where you use your driver head? I haven't had a ton of luck researching on the internet. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

You could go to a place like club champion, TruSpec, cool clubs.

You are going to predominantly be put into an upcharge or aftermarket shaft.

The chances that another shaft fits you better or provides any significant improvement is slim. 
 

unless you were in a bad fitting shaft, a shaft isn’t going to make a difference like people think. 
 

Shafts don’t spin or launch. There have been oem tests on shafts that are lightweight ladies flex up to long driver competitor shafts and they all performed the same in a robot. The changes in performance come from how the weight and feel affect the golfer.

[GolfSpy_KFT]

49 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

You could go to a place like club champion, TruSpec, cool clubs.

You are going to predominantly be put into an upcharge or aftermarket shaft.

The chances that another shaft fits you better or provides any significant improvement is slim. 
 

unless you were in a bad fitting shaft, a shaft isn’t going to make a difference like people think. 
 

Shafts don’t spin or launch. There have been oem tests on shafts that are lightweight ladies flex up to long driver competitor shafts and they all performed the same in a robot. The changes in performance come from how the weight and feel affect the golfer.

Huh, interesting! Based on everything you see and hear, you'd think it would have a larger impact. 

[Shapotomous]

In my experience different shafts have made a significant difference in how i am able to hit the same head. 

Going back to a Ping G10,  using a prolaunch red xs gave me about 15 more yards and better dispersion than the stock s shaft.  All i could do with the stock shaft was hit spinny balloons.

When i upgraded to a G410 a few years ago i settled on an Accra M5 due to much better dispersion.  Distance gains were minimal with the accra and likely due to hitting a straighter ball.  Maybe it was a difference in weight, balance point, flex or a combo of all but i certainly hit the sweet spot more consistently after settling on the gamer shaft.

I will have more time to experiment this winter and expect i will try a different shaft in the Sub70 driver i am now gaming.  

[RickyBobby_PR]

36 minutes ago, Jnoble89 said:

Huh, interesting! Based on everything you see and hear, you'd think it would have a larger impact. 

That’s because there’s lots of misinformation and old concepts still floating around

10 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

In my experience different shafts have made a significant difference in how i am able to hit the same head. 

Going back to a Ping G10,  using a prolaunch red xs gave me about 15 more yards and better dispersion than the stock s shaft.  All i could do with the stock shaft was hit spinny balloons.

This means that the shaft isn’t a fit and causes you to make a different swing. 
 

This is what I posted above and if you read any shaft thread on wrx will see. Your feel and thus swing were negatively impacted by the stock shaft. Your swing dynamics changed causing a bad strike and thus bad launch characteristics.

If you compared two shafts that provided you similar feel you would see the same results 

[Hoyoymac]

I agree with Ricky Bobby.  

Here are some additional thoughts:

The entire build of the driver can influence how a golfer swings the club and delivers the head to the ball at impact.

The overall weight of the club and its swing weight, the grip size and weight, addition of a counterweight, the shaft weight, flex, bend profile, resistance to twisting and length combined with the head and its weight, weight distribution, MOI, center of gravity, loft and lie all create a system that elicits a response from the golfer.

Can you tell where the head is as you swing the club?  Does the club allow you to hit the ball in the center of the club face repeatably?

The shaft is an integral part of the equation and can certainly make a difference.  Some fitting companies believe that a fitting should start with the shaft.  Some fitters believe that the head is most important.  The grip is often an afterthought which in my opinion is a mistake.

If you demo a club with a standard grip and then order it with a midsize or jumbo grip the overall weight will change and the swing weight will also likely change.  The ball flight might change as well.

Will the club you are fit to match the club that is delivered?  Variations in manufacturing and build tolerances can sometimes make a noticeable difference. Ideally you would be fit to a club and then leave with that club that day.

Even when fit for a club the best thing a golfer can do is take a club out for a few rounds of golf and then decide if the club performs well enough to inspire the confidence you need to keep it in the bag.  The 30 day & 90 day playability guarantees that some companies offer is a real benefit in this regard.

While we are talking about fitting, buying a set of irons based on demoing one golf club, usually a 6 or 7 iron from the set, is another bad practice in the golf industry.

There is nothing wrong with trying different shafts and clubs. If you don’t have confidence in a club try something else. Maybe you’ll find something that gives you better results.

Once you find a club that works reliably and inspires confidence don’t get rid of it.

 

[Golf2Much]

I had a full bag club fitting about two months ago.  We started with my driver.  My gamer (in red) is a Ping G400 SFT with a prototype Matrix Korean shaft that I picked up on eBay for about $90 on a whim.    Even though I have an average swing speed in the low 70's, to the surprise of the fitter by smash factors averaged about 1.48 (very efficient).  The fitter wanted to try other shafts so he pulled out Fujikura Ventus red (blue data), Mitsubishi C6 Red (yellow data), Accra M1 (grey data) and Mitsubishi Diamana ZF40 (green data) shafts.  They were all about $400 each.   As you can see, with the exception of maybe a marginally better dispersion in two of them, the $400 shafts didn't yield any significant improvement for me (certainly not enough to warrant spending $400+).  

Either I got very lucky with an eBay purchase or I can hit anything and it doesn't matter!

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

25 minutes ago, Golf2Much said:

I had a full bag club fitting about two months ago.  We started with my driver.  My gamer (in red) is a Ping G400 SFT with a prototype Matrix Korean shaft that I picked up on eBay for about $90 on a whim.    Even though I have an average swing speed in the low 70's, to the surprise of the fitter by smash factors averaged about 1.48 (very efficient).  The fitter wanted to try other shafts so he pulled out Fujikura Ventus red (blue data), Mitsubishi C6 Red (yellow data), Accra M1 (grey data) and Mitsubishi Diamana ZF40 (green data) shafts.  They were all about $400 each.   As you can see, with the exception of maybe a marginally better dispersion in two of them, the $400 shafts didn't yield any significant improvement for me (certainly not enough to warrant spending $400+).  

Either I got very lucky with an eBay purchase or I can hit anything and it doesn't matter!

 

It’s because shafts don’t do as much for launch characteristics as people think.

Unless a shaft has influences the swing in a manner that causes you to manipulate your swing mechanics to make it work the results will be about the same for all shafts 

[Golf2Much]

16 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

It’s because shafts don’t do as much for launch characteristics as people think.

Unless a shaft has influences the swing in a manner that causes you to manipulate your swing mechanics to make it work the results will be about the same for all shafts 

I was just trying to provide some data to support your previous posts.