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22 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

As they are a raw finish I want to document how they change over time,

I am very interested in how these irons "age".  I have always liked the look of raw wedges... so a set of irons with that same rust/patina should be pretty striking.  Also, as I know you will document, the comparison between these and your i210's in performance.

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I made a little experiment on the weekend trying to prerust or color the clubs. It worked out okay... not the best not the worst. Unfortunately Hydrogen Peroxide is crazy expensive here and only available in pharmacys so this will be likely my only go at trying this. 

It was really cool to see the near instant rust or coloration on the club. I think you have to really leave it and let it wait for a long period of time to have a better lasting effect. However I did get a pretty cool result and I'll post some more photos later on. 

Also Wednesday I have an appointment at the local shop to hop on their GC Quad to get some number and really see what they are like. I'm really looking forward to this and hope to get to the range a little later on today to work on some swing things which have kinda been plaguing me. Another round also booked for Thursday at a beautiful 9 hole course (of course more photos there) and maybe a round tomorrow weather depending. 

 

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Those irons look fantastic.  I have played raw wedges for as long as I can remember (over 30 years so my memory isn't THAT bad yet! 😀) because I like the duller finish, however I don't particularly like the rust showing up on the heads, especially the face.  For those that share that preference, I have found that wiping them down with Fluid Film keeps them from getting any rust on them for months at a time.  During the playing months I might need to do it once midseason and I use a dry towel to thoroughly rub off the excess so there is no slippery stuff on the face to impact contact.  For winter time storage when I play a lot less and maybe never in Jan & Feb I don't use the dry towel.  

 

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2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I made a little experiment on the weekend trying to prerust or color the clubs. It worked out okay

That is interesting Jamie, I wouldn't have thought to accelerate the rusting...  I have silver dollar that was left in a room (garage) with an open can of turpentine and it produced a rainbow effect on the coin... I wonder what that would do to raw irons... maybe a test in my future 🙂

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The "patina look"... good for those who don't suffer from shiny metal OCD 😬.  Now, if you really want to move this process along, soak em' in a mix of vinegar and Scott's lawn fertilizer 🤣.

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8 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I made a little experiment on the weekend trying to prerust or color the clubs. It worked out okay... not the best not the worst. Unfortunately Hydrogen Peroxide is crazy expensive here and only available in pharmacys so this will be likely my only go at trying this. 

It was really cool to see the near instant rust or coloration on the club. I think you have to really leave it and let it wait for a long period of time to have a better lasting effect. However I did get a pretty cool result and I'll post some more photos later on. 

Also Wednesday I have an appointment at the local shop to hop on their GC Quad to get some number and really see what they are like. I'm really looking forward to this and hope to get to the range a little later on today to work on some swing things which have kinda been plaguing me. Another round also booked for Thursday at a beautiful 9 hole course (of course more photos there) and maybe a round tomorrow weather depending. 

 

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Those are looking good and kind of remind me of the set of TaylorMade Burner LCG's I had when getting back into golf. It's crazy to think hydrogen peroxide is so expensive there, but it looks like it did a good job of achieving a nice patina. 

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I cleaned them up a bit today and it's pretty clear the quick rust method is very temporary and surface level. However the faces are a much duller color compared to when new. I would love for them to be that orangy red color but will take the long term approach with them now. 

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On 9/2/2022 at 8:07 AM, GolfSpy_APH said:

I already had my teaser thread of these irons, but wanted to do a long term review on them. As they are a raw finish I want to document how they change over time, but also how they perform. This is only the start but, I'll look to have continued updates with them as well as numbers and a ton of photos! Stay tuned for a lot more to come on the Sub70 659 TC Irons!

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Photo dump!
A-7 Iron address and back view (5-6 to come later)
A Wedge Face
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A Wedge Close Up Back
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A Wedge Top Line focus
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A Wedge Address
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A Wedge Back
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P Wedge Address
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P Wedge Back
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9 Iron Address
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9 Iron Back
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8 Iron Address
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8 Iron Back
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7 Iron Address
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7 Iron Back
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It looks like you had some toe strikes on the PW, how is it handling off center hits?

Love the pics so far, my favorite looking sub70 irons have been the TAIII irons but these are really catching my eye.

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44 minutes ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

@GolfSpy_APH

It looks like you had some toe strikes on the PW, how is it handling off center hits?

Love the pics so far, my favorite looking sub70 irons have been the TAIII irons but these are really catching my eye.

So I'll say this is a trend when I've received new irons is I struggle enormously  with toe strikes. Like missing the grooves toe strikes. Thankfully as the more practice has come along the strikes are getting much better. 

Also keep in mind these blade lengths are much much shorter then the i210 I had/have. 

Forgiveness is okay. Certainly more punishing then the i210, but the feel is so much greater that it really allows you to feel where you are striking the ball with each hit. The center/near center strikes feel phenomenal and so solid. I wouldn't say super soft... soft, but really solid and powerful which is a fun feeling. 

I'll have more to report once I get my swing into gear and actually find that consistency I'm looking for.

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Oh yeah and it's all in meters so have fun with the conversion haha! 

 

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53 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Oh yeah and it's all in meters so have fun with the conversion haha! 

 

Here I am comparing my carry distances to yours... then I read this post...haha. 

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56 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Haven't had a chance to dice into the data too much but here were the numbers from today.

Big thanks to the nicest golf shop around Golfers Paradise Dietikon! 

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I did take a few bad shots out, however the swing felt really good!

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so was this before or after the lead tape on the 5 iron (Judging from the numbers I think I know the answer to that).

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Oh yeah and it's all in meters so have fun with the conversion haha! 

 

ref point, the 5 iron carry would be 188 yards

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44 minutes ago, Golfspy_TCB said:

so was this before or after the lead tape on the 5 iron (Judging from the numbers I think I know the answer to that).

No, sadly not. The only non Sub70 numbers were the first 3 which were the i210 8 iron.

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2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Oh yeah and it's all in meters so have fun with the conversion haha! 

 

I was looking at it then realized partway through that this was the case. It’s not a huge difference but it is a difference

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