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22 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

As they are a raw finish I want to document how they change over time,

I am very interested in how these irons "age".  I have always liked the look of raw wedges... so a set of irons with that same rust/patina should be pretty striking.  Also, as I know you will document, the comparison between these and your i210's in performance.

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I made a little experiment on the weekend trying to prerust or color the clubs. It worked out okay... not the best not the worst. Unfortunately Hydrogen Peroxide is crazy expensive here and only available in pharmacys so this will be likely my only go at trying this. 

It was really cool to see the near instant rust or coloration on the club. I think you have to really leave it and let it wait for a long period of time to have a better lasting effect. However I did get a pretty cool result and I'll post some more photos later on. 

Also Wednesday I have an appointment at the local shop to hop on their GC Quad to get some number and really see what they are like. I'm really looking forward to this and hope to get to the range a little later on today to work on some swing things which have kinda been plaguing me. Another round also booked for Thursday at a beautiful 9 hole course (of course more photos there) and maybe a round tomorrow weather depending. 

 

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Those irons look fantastic.  I have played raw wedges for as long as I can remember (over 30 years so my memory isn't THAT bad yet! 😀) because I like the duller finish, however I don't particularly like the rust showing up on the heads, especially the face.  For those that share that preference, I have found that wiping them down with Fluid Film keeps them from getting any rust on them for months at a time.  During the playing months I might need to do it once midseason and I use a dry towel to thoroughly rub off the excess so there is no slippery stuff on the face to impact contact.  For winter time storage when I play a lot less and maybe never in Jan & Feb I don't use the dry towel.  

 

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2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I made a little experiment on the weekend trying to prerust or color the clubs. It worked out okay

That is interesting Jamie, I wouldn't have thought to accelerate the rusting...  I have silver dollar that was left in a room (garage) with an open can of turpentine and it produced a rainbow effect on the coin... I wonder what that would do to raw irons... maybe a test in my future 🙂

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The "patina look"... good for those who don't suffer from shiny metal OCD 😬.  Now, if you really want to move this process along, soak em' in a mix of vinegar and Scott's lawn fertilizer 🤣.

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8 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I made a little experiment on the weekend trying to prerust or color the clubs. It worked out okay... not the best not the worst. Unfortunately Hydrogen Peroxide is crazy expensive here and only available in pharmacys so this will be likely my only go at trying this. 

It was really cool to see the near instant rust or coloration on the club. I think you have to really leave it and let it wait for a long period of time to have a better lasting effect. However I did get a pretty cool result and I'll post some more photos later on. 

Also Wednesday I have an appointment at the local shop to hop on their GC Quad to get some number and really see what they are like. I'm really looking forward to this and hope to get to the range a little later on today to work on some swing things which have kinda been plaguing me. Another round also booked for Thursday at a beautiful 9 hole course (of course more photos there) and maybe a round tomorrow weather depending. 

 

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Those are looking good and kind of remind me of the set of TaylorMade Burner LCG's I had when getting back into golf. It's crazy to think hydrogen peroxide is so expensive there, but it looks like it did a good job of achieving a nice patina. 

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I cleaned them up a bit today and it's pretty clear the quick rust method is very temporary and surface level. However the faces are a much duller color compared to when new. I would love for them to be that orangy red color but will take the long term approach with them now. 

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On 9/2/2022 at 8:07 AM, GolfSpy_APH said:

I already had my teaser thread of these irons, but wanted to do a long term review on them. As they are a raw finish I want to document how they change over time, but also how they perform. This is only the start but, I'll look to have continued updates with them as well as numbers and a ton of photos! Stay tuned for a lot more to come on the Sub70 659 TC Irons!

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Photo dump!
A-7 Iron address and back view (5-6 to come later)
A Wedge Face
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A Wedge Close Up Back
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A Wedge Top Line focus
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A Wedge Address
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A Wedge Back
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P Wedge Address
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9 Iron Address
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9 Iron Back
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8 Iron Address
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8 Iron Back
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7 Iron Address
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It looks like you had some toe strikes on the PW, how is it handling off center hits?

Love the pics so far, my favorite looking sub70 irons have been the TAIII irons but these are really catching my eye.

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44 minutes ago, MyWifesSwingCoach said:

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It looks like you had some toe strikes on the PW, how is it handling off center hits?

Love the pics so far, my favorite looking sub70 irons have been the TAIII irons but these are really catching my eye.

So I'll say this is a trend when I've received new irons is I struggle enormously  with toe strikes. Like missing the grooves toe strikes. Thankfully as the more practice has come along the strikes are getting much better. 

Also keep in mind these blade lengths are much much shorter then the i210 I had/have. 

Forgiveness is okay. Certainly more punishing then the i210, but the feel is so much greater that it really allows you to feel where you are striking the ball with each hit. The center/near center strikes feel phenomenal and so solid. I wouldn't say super soft... soft, but really solid and powerful which is a fun feeling. 

I'll have more to report once I get my swing into gear and actually find that consistency I'm looking for.

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Oh yeah and it's all in meters so have fun with the conversion haha! 

 

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53 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Oh yeah and it's all in meters so have fun with the conversion haha! 

 

Here I am comparing my carry distances to yours... then I read this post...haha. 

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56 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Haven't had a chance to dice into the data too much but here were the numbers from today.

Big thanks to the nicest golf shop around Golfers Paradise Dietikon! 

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I did take a few bad shots out, however the swing felt really good!

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so was this before or after the lead tape on the 5 iron (Judging from the numbers I think I know the answer to that).

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Oh yeah and it's all in meters so have fun with the conversion haha! 

 

ref point, the 5 iron carry would be 188 yards

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44 minutes ago, Golfspy_TCB said:

so was this before or after the lead tape on the 5 iron (Judging from the numbers I think I know the answer to that).

No, sadly not. The only non Sub70 numbers were the first 3 which were the i210 8 iron.

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32 minutes ago, tommc23 said:

I was looking at it then realized partway through that this was the case. It’s not a huge difference but it is a difference

Yeah it's basically 10% so not that difficult, but certainly is an adjustment. I've slowly for me use to it, but it's made learning distances for the new irons tricky because I'm also getting use to another form of numbers/standards.

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While running the conversions on the carry distance -  noticed that for estimation,   the overall distance is close to the yards of carry. 

 5 iron average carry =  172m = 188.1 yds ;   total distance of 186m         6 iron average carry 156m = 170 yds;   total distance = 167m 

 

 

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2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Yeah it's basically 10% so not that difficult, but certainly is an adjustment. I've slowly for me use to it, but it's made learning distances for the new irons tricky because I'm also getting use to another form of numbers/standards.

Well as you get used to everything metric it will get easier. As long as you know where they land that’s all that matters

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Updated photo of the 5b iron with lead tape. Only a couple grams but made a world of difference in launch and forgiveness.

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Veering slightly off topic but strongly considering a fitting with Sub70 when I decide to pull the trigger on a new irons set as I live about 2 hours from their headquarters in Illinois. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Jnoble89 said:

Veering slightly off topic but strongly considering a fitting with Sub70 when I decide to pull the trigger on a new irons set as I live about 2 hours from their headquarters in Illinois. 

Definitely check them out. I've been really impressed with the TC so far! 

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Just now, GolfSpy_APH said:

Definitely check them out. I've been really impressed with the TC so far! 

Already scheduled myself for an irons/wedges fitting with TaylorMade at my local club in May 2023 haha, so I figure after that I can check in with Sub70 to get a nice head to head comparison 

 

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On 9/8/2022 at 10:44 AM, GolfSpy_APH said:

Updated photo of the 5b iron with lead tape. Only a couple grams but made a world of difference in launch and forgiveness.

Do you think the CB version with pocket cavity would have accomplished the same? Just curious as I'd be torn between the TC and CB - leaning toward CB for the pocket cavity in the long irons though.

Otherwise, how are you getting along now that you've had time to experience them on the course?

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22 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

Do you think the CB version with pocket cavity would have accomplished the same? Just curious as I'd be torn between the TC and CB - leaning toward CB for the pocket cavity in the long irons though.

Otherwise, how are you getting along now that you've had time to experience them on the course?

I guess the CB version could have been an option, but cleaning the pocket would have driven me crazy! In all seriousness though I maybe should have gone CB based on how my game is, but know I have the iron potential for the TC. Today was a much better day overall. Had a string of pars, a birdie and the bad holes were nothing to do with the irons, but my driver. 

I keep coming back to how good they feel. I know I said it before, but they don't feel super soft to me, but a powerful solid feeling. 

The best I have been hitting them has been the most recent week and after the gapping/numbers session and truly knowing my numbers more spot on has certainly helped a lot as well. I have zero regrets and am really happy with how they perform. 

Maybe if I had the chance to hit them all in person I would have gone for some split set combo, but I didn't have that option and there is nothing wrong with them. Anything that makes the shot not go as intended is user error. 

⛳🛄 as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB
Driver:  :callaway-small: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! 

Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft

Irons:   :titleist-small: T Series - T200 5 Iron
                                          T150 6-9 Iron
                                          T100 PW/GW

Wedge:  Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree 

Putter:  Screenshot 2023-06-02 13.10.30.png Mezz Max!

Balls:     Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange)

 

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