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Whether it has been several years since you replaced your wedges, or you are just curious to see how your recently purchased wedges stack up - check out the link above for the MYGOLFSPY Most Wanted Wedge testing 2022!

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  • Golfspy_TCB changed the title to MGS Most Wanted Wedge : 2022 Testing

While my SM9's performed in the top 5 in most testing categories... the Taylormade Milled Grind 3 was far and away rated best in all categories except consistency, and didn't perform well in the wet test... though compared to the Glide 4, nothing really did. 

However, the testing results are strong enough for me to consider giving them a tryout against what I consider the best wedges I have ever played. 

What are your thoughts about the results, and if you are playing the MG3, how have they performed for you?  

 

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so i’m intrigued by the edison forged wedges, and am ‘this close’ to pulling the trigger on giving them a try. however, tony c was pretty categorical in denouncing the wet vs dry performance of small manufacturer wedges in the latest NPG youtube show, and while he mentioned the dry/wet numbers of many of the small manufacturers, he didn’t mention the edison dry/wet numbers. any chance I could get those numbers? 

I currently have vokey sm7’s in p/g and md forged in s/l, and i was about to get sm8’s for s/l to round out my set, but I like the edisons sales pitch. i live in south florida though, so conditions change quickly. 

Thanks if anyone is able to share those numbers.

 

 

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F{3|15} ______ Cobra King F9
X{3|19} ______ Callaway XR
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W{54|58} _____ Vokey SM9
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18 minutes ago, ryan.mzzz said:

 any chance I could get those numbers? 

 

The most wanted article points you to the data: https://mygolfspy.com/wedge-data/

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The most wanted article points you to the data: https://mygolfspy.com/wedge-data/

thanks for pointing me to this page. 

D       ______ Ping G400
F{3|15} ______ Cobra King F9
X{3|19} ______ Callaway XR
I{5|24} {6|27} {7|31} {8|35} {9|40} Callaway Apex CF16

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W{54|58} _____ Vokey SM9
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Would be interested to see the difference between the Milled Grind 3 tested and the HI-toe version, possibly looking at adding a 60 and with the glide 4.0's currently wouldn't mind trying something else. 

 

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On 9/20/2022 at 2:49 AM, Golfspy_TCB said:

While my SM9's performed in the top 5 in most testing categories... the Taylormade Milled Grind 3 was far and away rated best in all categories except consistency, and didn't perform well in the wet test... though compared to the Glide 4, nothing really did. 

However, the testing results are strong enough for me to consider giving them a tryout against what I consider the best wedges I have ever played. 

What are your thoughts about the results, and if you are playing the MG3, how have they performed for you?  

 

I impulse bought  MG3 50* and 54* to sit alongside a SM7 58* that I won on a corporate day.   Ended up replacing the 58* with MG3 as well.  Absolutely love them, I would sleep with my 50* if my wife would let me. I just find it so controllable for full / 3 quarter and half shots as well as run outs around the green.  I  personally like the look of the raw face though I am not good enough (yet) to say if it really does improve spin characteristics in the wet.

I do wonder whether the Most Wanted test was using a 'clean' MG3 out the wrapper or one that has rusted up.  The rust out may have given the Glide more a run for it's money on the wet test...?? 

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2 hours ago, GrahamB1967 said:

I do wonder whether the Most Wanted test was using a 'clean' MG3 out the wrapper or one that has rusted up.  The rust out may have given the Glide more a run for it's money on the wet test...?? 

They start with a new wedge out if the wrapper.   Due to being exposed to air and water, there is very light spotty rust by the end of the test; which takes about a month perform.  
 

Rust does not impact spin; rust is generally desired to reduce glare.  See the below video where rust and spin are discussed:

 

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Very interesting data, love these tests and seeing all the numbers.

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25 minutes ago, cnosil said:

They start with a new wedge out if the wrapper.   Due to being exposed to air and water, there is very light spotty rust by the end of the test; which takes about a month perform.  
 

Rust does not impact spin; rust is generally desired to reduce glare.  See the below video where rust and spin are discussed:

 

TaylorMade disagree when looking at dry vs wet (where Glide performed best)

'Initial testing showed that in dry conditions raw marginally impacted spin and launch, and, ultimately, the results were very similar when pitted against a chrome-plated wedge. However, when testers added water to the equation, the variance in performance was staggering.

With chrome wedges, the data showed an approximate 50% reduction in spin on wet shots. With raw, there was only about a 25% reduction – showcasing a significant improvement.

In addition, testing showed that chrome-plated wedge shots could experience a 6°-8° increase in launch going from dry to wet, while a raw face would only result in a 2°-3° increase.'

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/clubhouse/158640-raw-face-wedges-why-they-work-and-tips-for-adding-rust.html?lang=en_US

 

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4 minutes ago, GrahamB1967 said:

TaylorMade disagree when looking at dry vs wet (where Glide performed best)

'Initial testing showed that in dry conditions raw marginally impacted spin and launch, and, ultimately, the results were very similar when pitted against a chrome-plated wedge. However, when testers added water to the equation, the variance in performance was staggering.

With chrome wedges, the data showed an approximate 50% reduction in spin on wet shots. With raw, there was only about a 25% reduction – showcasing a significant improvement.

In addition, testing showed that chrome-plated wedge shots could experience a 6°-8° increase in launch going from dry to wet, while a raw face would only result in a 2°-3° increase.'

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/clubhouse/158640-raw-face-wedges-why-they-work-and-tips-for-adding-rust.html?lang=en_US

 

Raw doesn’t mean rust.  One of the conclusions for Raw wedges performing better is that they don’t have the plating which impacts the sharpness of grooves.  The things you added from the article  are not about rust but the raw non chromed finish.   In that article they primarily discuss RAW not rust.  
 

The main reason for this performance improvement is the inherent roughness of raw steel compared to chrome, which helps preserve friction between the clubface and the ball. Engineers also discovered the maintained integrity of groove geometry. What does that mean in terms we can all understand? Even though plated finishes are very thin (only several microns - getting techy on you again - with a micron measuring 0.001mm), the addition of the plating still dilutes the shape of the grooves in a wedge. With raw wedges, how the grooves are machined is exactly how they finish. Designed with precise intent and unencumbered by an outside element that could change the resulting geometry. 

they do talk a little about rust and that it may provide a slight performance improvement.     

RAW Face Technology does the bulk of the heavy lifting, as each wedge is designed to deliver optimal performance right out of the box, but rust is like the cherry on top. It doesn’t make or break the performance but acts as an added bonus. As the face oxidizes over time, there is the chance of slight performance improvements due to the maintained surface roughness.

Searches of the internet and a reviews of other articles confirms that raw wedges may get better wet/dry performance but it isn’t the rust that provides the benefit.

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1 hour ago, GrahamB1967 said:

TaylorMade disagree when looking at dry vs wet

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1 hour ago, Golfspy_TCB said:

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It’s not just an MGS opinion, it is the general answer across the industry as can be observed with a simple google search.  I’d consider it one of those golf myths that keeps getting spread.  

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Raw doesn’t mean rust.  One of the conclusions for Raw wedges performing better is that they don’t have the plating which impacts the sharpness of grooves.  The things you added from the article  are not about rust but the raw non chromed finish.   In that article they primarily discuss RAW not rust.  
 

The main reason for this performance improvement is the inherent roughness of raw steel compared to chrome, which helps preserve friction between the clubface and the ball. Engineers also discovered the maintained integrity of groove geometry. What does that mean in terms we can all understand? Even though plated finishes are very thin (only several microns - getting techy on you again - with a micron measuring 0.001mm), the addition of the plating still dilutes the shape of the grooves in a wedge. With raw wedges, how the grooves are machined is exactly how they finish. Designed with precise intent and unencumbered by an outside element that could change the resulting geometry. 

they do talk a little about rust and that it may provide a slight performance improvement.     

RAW Face Technology does the bulk of the heavy lifting, as each wedge is designed to deliver optimal performance right out of the box, but rust is like the cherry on top. It doesn’t make or break the performance but acts as an added bonus. As the face oxidizes over time, there is the chance of slight performance improvements due to the maintained surface roughness.

Searches of the internet and a reviews of other articles confirms that raw wedges may get better wet/dry performance but it isn’t the rust that provides the benefit.

So not all raw faces rust (if you let them)?  We may be at crossed purposes here.  The premise is not that raw / rusted wedges spin more, it is that the spin drop off when the ball and / or face is wet is less than with a chromed face.  My gaming irons are actually PING i210s  which share the groove technology of the earlier Glide wedges. The work PING have been doing to disperse water at impact is impressive, my only point was that, if we accept a the basic premise / research that raw / rusted do have an impact of spin drop off, then the benchmark that the Glide provides for face / ball interaction in the wet might  be better compared to raw wedges (not just the MG3s) once the 'cherry is on top' and the raw steel is in the optimum condition to manage the moisture. Rust is, after all,  oxidization of the surface that will changes the composition and texture of the face.

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57 minutes ago, GrahamB1967 said:

So not all raw faces rust (if you let them)?  We may be at crossed purposes here.  The premise is not that raw / rusted wedges spin more, it is that the spin drop off when the ball and / or face is wet is less than with a chromed face.  My gaming irons are actually PING i210s  which share the groove technology of the earlier Glide wedges. The work PING have been doing to disperse water at impact is impressive, my only point was that, if we accept a the basic premise / research that raw / rusted do have an impact of spin drop off, then the benchmark that the Glide provides for face / ball interaction in the wet might  be better compared to raw wedges (not just the MG3s) once the 'cherry is on top' and the raw steel is in the optimum condition to manage the moisture. Rust is, after all,  oxidization of the surface that will changes the composition and texture of the face.

Agree with what you say here; raw wedges tend to spin more than the chromed counterpart not due to rust but the actual surface of the wedge.  This does show that ping has done amazing work with their plating and it’s impact on spin when wet. 
 

I was commenting on your original statement regarding amount of rust on the tested wedge and the rust may have given it some advantage.  We have gotten to the point that the improved  performANC’s was potentially due to face Milling and lack of plating.  I can assure you there was minimal rust on the wedge; I am one of their most wanted testers.  

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3 hours ago, cnosil said:

It’s not just an MGS opinion, it is the general answer across the industry as can be observed with a simple google search.  I’d consider it one of those golf myths that keeps getting spread.  

My clip was promoting the mission statement of MGS.  Just clarifying. 

OP noted that TaylorMade had different outcomes... but that is the whole point of independent testing such as MyGolfSpy. 🙂 

 

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Might have been answered elsewhere but is there a reason Mizuno product wasn't in the test?

 

I'm thinking of replacing wedges and it would be handy to know whether it would be useful to look around at other models.

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6 minutes ago, Blueberry_Squishie said:

Might have been answered elsewhere but is there a reason Mizuno product wasn't in the test?

 

I'm thinking of replacing wedges and it would be handy to know whether it would be useful to look around at other models.

Usually it has to do with one of two reasons... either there isn't a new model since the last test, or the OEM chose not to submit a club for the testing. 

 

In this case, the reason for no Mizuno in the test was answered in the blog comments:

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Thanks. Next question, they keep the testing procedures consistent year to year? (apart from the human element)

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1 hour ago, Blueberry_Squishie said:

Thanks. Next question, they keep the testing procedures consistent year to year? (apart from the human element)

The protocols we follow are pretty consistent from year to year but does vary across the different clubs types.  For example wedges may be 3 sets of 4, drivers may be 4 sets of 4,  another club may be 3 sets of 4 and a set of 3.    I believe that the formulas they use to process the data are updated/tweaked from year to year. 

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Putter:   :seemore-small: mFGP2

Backups:  :taylormade-small:TM-180, :odyssey-small: Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, logo-horizontal-black.svg Directed Force 2.1 

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

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