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have just read through the thread, and from the perspective of a high handicapper (29 at the moment) a hybrid is DEFINITELY a much better option than a long iron.

 

i play mizuno mp-53s, so i can hit the ball pretty decent. i have had days at the range where i'm striping the 4 and 5 iron, but i had to make some good swings to do so.

 

i recently got a 2nd hand adams a3 boxer 19* hybrid off ebay for cheap, and have hit some pretty good shots with it.

 

i also decided to get a #4 hybrid, and ordered the adams a12os #4 in 22*. i only got it yesterday, so haven't played with it yet.

 

but i did play a round with a guy who was playing the set last friday, and i hit about 5 or shots with his #5 a12os hybrid.

 

it is ridiculous how easy it is to hit, and how straight it goes. i must also add this was a no-pressure round, and my mind was quite clear on the day (no unnecesssary swing thoughts), which helped plenty in making sure my swings were good.

 

i also tried to not waste too much time over the ball. mostly because my playing partner on the day was playing golf for the first time ever, so i was giving him some advice.

 

some of the advice i gave him (including not thinking over the ball) rubbed off on my game, and i played 104 shots, as opposed to my last round of 113 shots. i know, 104 is still pretty crap, but for me to improve by 9 shots over my last round, was quite gratifying.

 

and a lot of this had to do with some of the shots i pulled of with both my #3 hybrid, and my playing partner's #5 hybrid.

 

on the back 9, the two par threes were 200yds (quite a big downhill, prob playing around 180ish), and another of 175yds (slightly downhill).

 

on both holes there were some cross winds, but i managed to put the 5H on the green on the first hole, and just to the left on the second par 3.

 

i also hit some good approach shots with the 5H out of the rough, and the fairway, and can definitely say that it saved me a couple of strokes.

 

looking forward to hitting my new a12os 4H this weekend.

In my Clicgear B3 cart bag on my Clicgear 3.0 pushcart:

Rocketballz 10.5* stock stiff shaft

Adams Idea A3 Boxer 19*

TMag Rocketbladez 4i-6i

Mizuno MP53 7i-PW

Mizuno MP-R12 52*, MP-T11 56*, MP-T10 60*

Some old Odyssey putter (Don't laugh, it gets the ball in the hole nicely)

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You swing your best when you have the fewest things to think about.

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I have a poll going on another thread and it asks what you carry in your bag in terms of woods, hybrids, and wedges. Most responders do not vary their set ups and most carry 1 or more hybrids. I usu

like i mentioned in my post above, i have a 19* 3H and a 22* 4H.

 

i also recently ordered a 4W, that is at 17*.

 

i got the 4W as my pro advised it would be easier than a 3W to get up in the air.

 

but i am now wondering the 19* 3H and 17* 4W aren't too close to each other.

 

i haven't had a chance to hit the 4W just yet, so maybe it is not such a big deal. i am also a high handicapper, so with the 3H working quite well, and me having confidence in it, the 4W won't see much action anyway.

 

if you don't mind me going OT, what would a 4W add to my bag? (i'm sure it will give me a few yards on the 3H, but at a 29 HCP i'm not going for the green from 220yds out anyway...)

In my Clicgear B3 cart bag on my Clicgear 3.0 pushcart:

Rocketballz 10.5* stock stiff shaft

Adams Idea A3 Boxer 19*

TMag Rocketbladez 4i-6i

Mizuno MP53 7i-PW

Mizuno MP-R12 52*, MP-T11 56*, MP-T10 60*

Some old Odyssey putter (Don't laugh, it gets the ball in the hole nicely)

Bridgestone E6

 

Walking on air with my True Tours and Kentwool socks

 

No-one will ever have golf under his thumb. No round ever will be so good it could not have been better. Perhaps this is why golf is the greatest of games. You are not playing a human adversary; you are playing a game. You are playing old man par.

Bobby Jones

 

You swing your best when you have the fewest things to think about.

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If you just take into account the longer shaft and the change in degree you are probably looking at least an inch longer and 2 degrees. I would think you could easily get 15-20 more yards out of the 4W. Plus it will be easier to get off the deck. I think this is an excellent set up for you.

 

When I started this thread months ago it was based on my swing and equipment at the time. I was playing Titleist blades and hit the 3 and 4 irons well but the still did not have a lot of mass in the head compared to a hybrid. Now

I am using Mizuno MP FLI HI and while still half the moi of a true Hybrid they are double that of a stock 3 or 4 or 2'iron. However height and spin are not an issue for me. Well they are but not lack of, abundance of is my problem.

 

My 14 hybrid will be 42" oal which is 3w dimensions pretty serious hybrid. I will also be putting together 19 and 21 and 24 hybrids and when my game is not spot on I can easily change a club or two for the day.

 

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Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

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I grew up with Ping Eye 2's and from a mental aspect no matter what the brand I could never get comfortable with a long iron in hand. I've probably sprayed more mishits as a result of lack of confidence than based on skill. I now play Nickent 4DX pro 3/20° and 4/23° with Aerotech SteelFiber HLS75 shafts and they are by far the best thing that could have ever happened to me. I know I'm going to get them in the air, no lie scares me and the trajectory is always low-mid and controlled. I can step on them too and easily cover an extra 10-15 yards but swinging controlled the distance is always very reliable. I'm sure I could hit a 3 iron the same as a hybrid but at the cost of that mental hurdle ever time I pulled it out of the bag.

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The Nickent 4DX pro was a really good club, and Nickent like Hogan was really ahead of their time. They pioneered the adjustable hosel and removable shaft etc... But then they put that cheap looking "blingy" green on them and ruined it.

 

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The Nickent 4DX pro was a really good club, and Nickent like Hogan was really ahead of their time. They pioneered the adjustable hosel and removable shaft etc... But then they put that cheap looking "blingy" green on them and ruined it.

 

Hey I like my "blingy" green!

 

But then again I also love my yellow putter

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and the pink lowrider I had in the 90's

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Well, there is no accounting for taste.:D

 

Actually, "blingy" was the wrong adjective. A little bling is good. I love the yellow putter head. I am getting to like colored ferrules, since I have them now. And I am about to add a little bling with a custom paint fill on my New To Me Scotty Cameron Newport 1.5 and will replace the grip. Right now I am leaning towards a shade I call, "Holy, _____ing ____ yellow." but I see from your picture that your putter is already that color. Or perhaps, some "Kiss my ___ red." But I am just going with paint fill, not set the putter in the can.

 

But back to what started this the Nickent 4 DX line had costume jewelry type look to it to me. Obviously, you like them so I should shut up but I will say, I am not the person who bought your pink low rider. Even if were a different color, and not a low rider, I am not in the market for that. However, if it started when you turned the key and the alarm did not go off and immoblize the engine it is better than a Range Rover. Twice a week the _____ thing decides I am trying to steel it as sits and waits for the cops to come. I have to get out and reset the alarm. It takes all of 30 seconds, and never fails to so it when someone is riding with me.

 

Driver:      :mizuno-small:  ST190G on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Fairway:   :mizuno-small:  ST190TS 15° on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X

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Finally replaced the Bridgestone J33 2 iron with a Callaway 17* Heavenwood. Depending on the course I will still use the 2 iron as I can hit it low with a lot of roll.

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I have a 19* hybrid and a 3 iron in the bag, but i use the 3 iron as a utility club (hitting under trees and low punch shots) and an occasional par 3. I am more comfortable hitting a hybrid off the turf and the tee and i can hit it as short as 190 and as long as 210 depending on the shot shape.

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I play hybrids (TM Rescue 11, Titleist 910h, and Adams V3) in basically two different loft configurations ...

 

15, 19, 23.25, 27.75, 33

 

... or ...

 

15, 19, 24, 29, 33

 

I definitely don't miss the fairway wood, long irons, and even some of the mid irons! :lol:

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Dude, I like the putter, that's slick, however I frickin LOVE that SUV!...That would take Breast Cancer awareness to a whole nother level...lol....Did you do that paint job yourself?....

 

 

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If you just take into account the longer shaft and the change in degree you are probably looking at least an inch longer and 2 degrees. I would think you could easily get 15-20 more yards out of the 4W. Plus it will be easier to get off the deck. I think this is an excellent set up for you.

 

Sparnar, RR said it best...As you stated that you normally don't go for the green from 220yds, well, that 4M may allow you to do that when you're swinging well....

 

That best to ya.....

 

 

Fairways & Greens 4ever......

 

thanks for the comments, RR and RP.

 

work is a little hectic right now, but looking forward to get the 4W into play, together with the new 4H.

 

i suspect the 4H will be seeing more action at this stage, as i still need to get some confidence going with the 4W before i'll put it into play.

In my Clicgear B3 cart bag on my Clicgear 3.0 pushcart:

Rocketballz 10.5* stock stiff shaft

Adams Idea A3 Boxer 19*

TMag Rocketbladez 4i-6i

Mizuno MP53 7i-PW

Mizuno MP-R12 52*, MP-T11 56*, MP-T10 60*

Some old Odyssey putter (Don't laugh, it gets the ball in the hole nicely)

Bridgestone E6

 

Walking on air with my True Tours and Kentwool socks

 

No-one will ever have golf under his thumb. No round ever will be so good it could not have been better. Perhaps this is why golf is the greatest of games. You are not playing a human adversary; you are playing a game. You are playing old man par.

Bobby Jones

 

You swing your best when you have the fewest things to think about.

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while we're talking about this, it feels like there aren't too many hig handicappers (20+), like myself on the forum. but i'll mention the following anyway...

 

if there are other spies, like myself, who are looking at hitting their first hybrid, or maybe looking for an easy-to-hit hybrid, make sure you try out the Adams A12OS hybrids.

 

i have read of people using the phrase 'stupid easy to hit', and while it's not a phrase i thought i would ever use, these hybrids are just that. 'stupid easy' just feels like the right description.

 

i played with a first timer a week ago, and i arranged his club rental to be a set of these as i wanted to try the #4 hybrid (a little selfish i know, but it is a great set for a beginner). this guy had never hit a golf shot in his life, and by the 17th hole, i managed to 'coach' him into just about reaching a 440yd par 4 in three shots. all by playing the #6 hybrid.

 

admittely, the hole has quite a severe downhill, and my playing partner's first shot was a duff, which i gave him a mulligan on, but he managed to hit some pretty decent shots for a first timer. we started calling the 6H his 'magic-maker' by the fifth hole already.

 

this round also proved to me again how much c

 

confidence plays a part in the real hackers\beginners' game. this guy, being new to the game, had no clue about club selection, and asked my opinion every time.

 

he kept asking me what i was hitting, thinking he should be doing the same. but as soon as he got some confidence hitting the 6H, he was doing reasonably well. a couple of times i had him try to hit a different club, but the results didn't follow.

 

he basically played all day long with the 6H and the 8 iron. i had him play these little punch type shots as his chips with the 8 iron.

 

just a note, when i say he did reasonably well, he got the ball of the deck, but he still had plenty of balls running along the fairway, and going left. but he thoroughly enjoyed it, and is already talking about going to the range sometime soon.

In my Clicgear B3 cart bag on my Clicgear 3.0 pushcart:

Rocketballz 10.5* stock stiff shaft

Adams Idea A3 Boxer 19*

TMag Rocketbladez 4i-6i

Mizuno MP53 7i-PW

Mizuno MP-R12 52*, MP-T11 56*, MP-T10 60*

Some old Odyssey putter (Don't laugh, it gets the ball in the hole nicely)

Bridgestone E6

 

Walking on air with my True Tours and Kentwool socks

 

No-one will ever have golf under his thumb. No round ever will be so good it could not have been better. Perhaps this is why golf is the greatest of games. You are not playing a human adversary; you are playing a game. You are playing old man par.

Bobby Jones

 

You swing your best when you have the fewest things to think about.

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I have a friend (10 Hcp) who plays the a12OS. He complains that the short irons are not as accurate as he would like but loves the hybrids. He also says he can talk on the cell phone, and even read a book and still hit good shots with them.

 

I have another friend who while he carries a full set of irons, he makes 90% of his shots are Driver, 8 iron, putter. He hits those clubs from any distance, and is a big joke with us. He is now trying to work in a hybrid to the rotation, but he shoots 82. Nearly every time he goes out he shoots 82.

 

Driver:      :mizuno-small:  ST190G on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Fairway:   :mizuno-small:  ST190TS 15° on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X

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That's funny on "stupid easy" Sparnar...I'd never heard of the phrase prior to MGS & not only have I used it here, however I've used it in a board meeting...It drew a few chuckles, yet my point was made...I get more out of MGS than just golf enjoyment...lol...

 

Regarding you friend, that's great that he had such a good time with you...You obviously are kind and have the patience to spend the time with a true beginer...I believe how someone takes to the game is dependent upon #1, their actual experience hitting the ball & #2, their experience with their playing partner(s) or whomever they are with at the time...

 

It's funny about him only really hitting two clubs because my first year, my grandmother only gave me & let me hit a 9i & my second year, I added a 5i & a 7i....I think it lends itself to being creative with your clubs because I was forced to hit a lot of different shots with a few clubs vs. on type of shot going X amount of yds. or possibly another distance....

 

Have a nice week-end.....

 

 

Fairwasy & Greens 4ever.....

 

i would have loved to be in that board meeting!

 

funny enough, when playing with the first timer, i spent so much time 'coaching' and helping him, that i didn't overthink my own game, and shot my best score in the last 2 months. i must admit, the hardest thing about playing with a first timer (or someone fairly new to the game), is to relay all the etiquette of golf.

 

they don't always understand why you sometimes need to take just a little less time on a shot, just to open up a bit of a gap between yourself and the group behind you. we were riding, and at first i was driving, but i thought he guy would love to drive the cart himself, and when he started driving, it was hard to explain to him where the best place would be to park around the greens.

 

how does one explain that you must look for a spot, where:

1. firstly, you won't damage any area where approach shots might land

2. you can quickly get to the cart once all playes are finished, so the fourball behind doesn't wait while you're clearing the green

3. the cart is not in the way of the fourball behind you

4. the cart is on the way to the next tee box

 

i usually had to point to a spot where he could park. and i could see he was a bit flummoxed about me being so specific about the parking spot.

 

also, a few times he nearly drove away to his ball, before i got a club out.

 

so it does take a bit of patience. but introducing a new player to this game we love, and seeing the enjoyment (and even some progress in their game over the 18 holes), is priceless.

 

another thing i have to mention, is that i didn't hesitate to have him play off the ladies\seniors tees when the club tees had water to clear on the tee shot. there was no way he would clear a large body of water with a tee shot.

 

on one hole, he did however have to clear a very little stream. he managed to do so, and actually jumped for joy. literally. with his jump, came a not-too-soft shout of 'yeah!'. the fourball behind us, was quite surprised with his unbridled joy.

 

anyway, i'm making a habit of going off topic, so i'll rather stop here.

In my Clicgear B3 cart bag on my Clicgear 3.0 pushcart:

Rocketballz 10.5* stock stiff shaft

Adams Idea A3 Boxer 19*

TMag Rocketbladez 4i-6i

Mizuno MP53 7i-PW

Mizuno MP-R12 52*, MP-T11 56*, MP-T10 60*

Some old Odyssey putter (Don't laugh, it gets the ball in the hole nicely)

Bridgestone E6

 

Walking on air with my True Tours and Kentwool socks

 

No-one will ever have golf under his thumb. No round ever will be so good it could not have been better. Perhaps this is why golf is the greatest of games. You are not playing a human adversary; you are playing a game. You are playing old man par.

Bobby Jones

 

You swing your best when you have the fewest things to think about.

Bobby Jones

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This weekend I replace my 2 iron head with a 19* hybrid, and put together a 14* hybrid with a 41" C Taper XS shaft. I was only 5 yards behind the other guys when they used driver and I used the 14 degree hybrid. It is going to be a money maker. However, I am not so happy with the 2 iron replacement. I will keep it that way this week and see, but on perfectly struck balls it was not as good as the 2 iron, and on poorly struck balls it was much worse than the 2 iron, but it was easier to hit. The jury is still out. But the number two spot in the bag, if driver is number one and putter is 14, is going to be the 14* hybrid or 0h.

 

Driver:      :mizuno-small:  ST190G on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Fairway:   :mizuno-small:  ST190TS 15° on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X

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This weekend I replace my 2 iron head with a 19* hybrid, and put together a 14* hybrid with a 41" C Taper XS shaft. I was only 5 yards behind the other guys when they used driver and I used the 14 degree hybrid. It is going to be a money maker. However, I am not so happy with the 2 iron replacement. I will keep it that way this week and see, but on perfectly struck balls it was not as good as the 2 iron, and on poorly struck balls it was much worse than the 2 iron, but it was easier to hit. The jury is still out. But the number two spot in the bag, if driver is number one and putter is 14, is going to be the 14* hybrid or 0h.

 

 

The jury is back. The 19* hybrid is gone and the 2 iron is back, probably to stay. This is a 2 iron but on a 3 iron C Taper XS shaft, the reason for this is simple. That is the shaft I had. It is only half an inch shorter so this is not significant. It turns out that the hybrid was not that much easier to hit, plus bad shots with the 2 iron tend to be short right fades, and the hybrid had some nasty 40 yard hooks in it. It is much easier to deal with a shot that turns out 20 yards short and 10 yards right than one that is the right distance but 40 yards left.

 

 

I still have the 14 hybrid but that is because I do not hit anything better than in that range.

 

Driver:      :mizuno-small:  ST190G on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Fairway:   :mizuno-small:  ST190TS 15° on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X

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I've been playing the original Cobra Baffler 18 & 20 degree hybrids with steel Nippon 950 shaft for years. Nothing even comes close to them for me.

Titleist 910 D3 9.5 w/Oban Devotion 75g

Titleist 910F 15 w/Oban Devotion 75g

Cobra Baffler 18 Hybrid

Cobra Baffler 20 Hybrid (originals) w/stiff steel shafts

Mizuno MP57 4 - PW +1/2 2UR Dynamic Gold S300 shafts

Titleist Vokey 54 & 60

Titleist Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Notchback 35"

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Excellent topic and great information from the replies.

For my 2 cents worth I have dropped my fairway and 2 iron from the bag for an Adams hybrid.

Never having used a hybrid before, I purchased the Adams on the strength of the review on MGS and my personal opinion is that I will not go back to either the wood or the 2.

After reading some of your comments RR on your tests, I will have to consider replacing the 3 & 4 with a hybrid as well.

 

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FW: TM RBZ

Irons: Miura 57 Series w/KBS C-Taper

Wedges: Vokey SM4 52-08,56-12,60-04

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