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1 hour ago, BIG STU said:

Well I do not know of any Titleist staffers jumping over. Now Mc Dowell is a Srixon player and I do not know of any Zuno players jumping either. And I certainally do not know of Maxfli/ Dicks sponsoring anyone either. But it should not make any difference of what brand anyone plays IMHO. On Srixon I wonder what the reaction is going to be because they are a Japanese owned company like Mizuno. 

Already been hit on, but there's a number of Titleist guys. 

1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Lol live Stream on YouTube.... Has copy right of PGA tour unavailable 

Don't seem to have had that problem here in the US.  Funny there are a few other non-official Youtube channels streaming the coverage.  Wonder how long before LIV goes after those guys?

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Initial thoughts,  production quality is way better then i was expecting.

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Just now, JohnSmalls said:

Already been hit on, but there's a number of Titleist guys. 

Don't seem to have had that problem here in the US.  Funny there are a few other non-official Youtube channels streaming the coverage.  Wonder how long before LIV goes after those guys?

It's working now. There were 3 channels which the PGA blocked. 

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23 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

I get that pros are independent contractors, however there's no other pro sports league that would allow players to hop back and forth that I'm aware of. Maybe soccer does that?? No idea. But if you're in the NFL and that league has backed you, you can't just randomly hop back and forth from there to the CFL. Likewise with the NHL and the KHL. 

Again - I fully understand that we're talking individuals vs players in another sport that are contracted to their specific franchise. So it's not a true apples to apples comparison. But do see the PGA Tour's POV in all of this. 

Up to this point there is no financial incentive for guys from the NFL, NHL, MLB, etc. to play anywhere else.  Some pro race car drivers have split time between two series like Fernando Alonso did in the middle of an F1 season when he went to race the Indy 500.  Soccer is really the only sport that I can think of that would offer competitive leagues that could be financially viable to players to split time, but then again the players are employees of the clubs that they are signed with and their playing schedules are practically identical, thus not viable to split time.  You will see occasionally a european player go on loan during their offseason (summer) to play in the MLS, but it is rare.

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2 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

It's working now. There were 3 channels which the PGA blocked. 

Part of the entertainment is the back and forth between LIV and the PGA.  Get your month-long popcorn ready 😆

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On the YouTube feed - I checked it out for a minute - LIV isn’t doing themselves any favors by abbreviating the players names, I think.  We know who Phil and DJ are, but who is leading the tournament?

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7 minutes ago, JohnSmalls said:

Up to this point there is no financial incentive for guys from the NFL, NHL, MLB, etc. to play anywhere else.  Some pro race car drivers have split time between two series like Fernando Alonso did in the middle of an F1 season when he went to race the Indy 500.  Soccer is really the only sport that I can think of that would offer competitive leagues that could be financially viable to players to split time, but then again the players are employees of the clubs that they are signed with.  You will see occasionally a european player go on loan during their offseason (summer) to play in the MLS, but it is rare.

I'm not talking about the player financial aspect of it, rather the obligations (legal or otherwise) when you're committed to a specific league that has invested in you.

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35 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

I'm not talking about the player financial aspect of it, rather the obligations (legal or otherwise) when you're committed to a specific league that has invested in you.

I gotcha.  In that case soccer (international competition) and racing kind of do allow you to hop back and forth.  IIRC a few years back there was a local WNBA player that would play in a different league overseas in the offseason and report back to her WNBA team for preseason and the regular season.   Depends on the contract but it's not completely unheard of.

*edit:  I completely forgot about the guys from the MLB that go and play in the Domincan, Mexican, and other central American leagues during the offseason. 

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“Relentless action.”

– LIV golf announcer

 

Not sure that’s how I’d describe what I’m watching. Personally, I like it when I just watch one group of players play a round of golf.

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47 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

I get that pros are independent contractors, however there's no other pro sports league that would allow players to hop back and forth that I'm aware of. Maybe soccer does that?? No idea. But if you're in the NFL and that league has backed you, you can't just randomly hop back and forth from there to the CFL. Likewise with the NHL and the KHL. 

Again - I fully understand that we're talking individuals vs players in another sport that are contracted to their specific franchise. So it's not a true apples to apples comparison. But do see the PGA Tour's POV in all of this. 

Agreed, I can see both sides here. The difference from other sports may be 1. multi-year contracts where I dont believe MLB/NFL etc are independent contractors and 2. precedent from the tour letting players play across the globe in other tourneys. 

What really bothers me is restricting Korn Ferry membership. These guys arent paid great and need every opportunity they can get to move up the earnings ladder and play higher quality tournaments. 

I still think there is an ecosystem where these two can exist in harmony, similar to WGC events. 

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18 minutes ago, berkeleybob said:

“Relentless action.”

– LIV golf announcer

 

Not sure that’s how I’d describe what I’m watching. Personally, I like it when I just watch one group of players play a round of golf.

That was one thing I kind of noticed as well. There is a lot of bouncing around to the point where it’s kind of hard to follow. I’m usually the guy who likes to watch the featured group coverage so you can watch each shot and the parts in between. Hear what the guys are saying, looking through the shot, and then executing.

 

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Why can I not find an online leaderboard?

They didn’t really explain the scoring/team aspect of that. How is it handled? When they started off, I honestly thought that each player was going to play a hole and they just alternate through. That isn’t how it’s done but I was so confused.

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1 hour ago, russtopherb said:

I get that pros are independent contractors, however there's no other pro sports league that would allow players to hop back and forth that I'm aware of. Maybe soccer does that?? No idea. But if you're in the NFL and that league has backed you, you can't just randomly hop back and forth from there to the CFL. Likewise with the NHL and the KHL. 

Again - I fully understand that we're talking individuals vs players in another sport that are contracted to their specific franchise. So it's not a true apples to apples comparison. But do see the PGA Tour's POV in all of this. 

I am not sure that it is specific to the league but more to the players unions and specific player contracts.  As @chisaghas stated he is loyal to his union because of the benefits the union offers and provides.  Players not going to other leagues may be more tied to their specific contract and injury clauses. WNBA players go play foreign leagues,  lower tier NBA player go play other leagues, auto racers go across classifications .  The example I have was many years ago the pre was a CFL player that wanted to play hockey and joined the local ECHL hockey team.  He played a few games and left due to the fact that his contract had injury clauses and his mortgage was tied to his contract.  If the PGA tour didn’t want players to be enticed by other current and future tours, they should never have granted exemptions in the past to allow players to play other events thAt were not part of the membership agreement.  

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27 minutes ago, ZJBogey2 said:

Agreed, I can see both sides here. The difference from other sports may be 1. multi-year contracts where I dont believe MLB/NFL etc are independent contractors and 2. precedent from the tour letting players play across the globe in other tourneys. 

What really bothers me is restricting Korn Ferry membership. These guys arent paid great and need every opportunity they can get to move up the earnings ladder and play higher quality tournaments. 

I still think there is an ecosystem where these two can exist in harmony, similar to WGC events. 

It makes sense because the KF tour is the main route to the pga tour. 3 wins is an automatic promotion to the tour. Why let anyone who broke their agreement have a chance at taking someone’s spot on the KF tour. It’s all one on the same basically. 

15 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I am not sure that it is specific to the league but more to the players unions and specific player contracts.  As @chisaghas stated he is loyal to his union because of the benefits the union offers and provides.  Players not going to other leagues may be more tied to their specific contract and injury clauses. WNBA players go play foreign leagues,  lower tier NBA player go play other leagues, auto racers go across classifications .  The example I have was many years ago the pre was a CFL player that wanted to play hockey and joined the local ECHL hockey team.  He played a few games and left due to the fact that his contract had injury clauses and his mortgage was tied to his contract.  If the PGA tour didn’t want players to be enticed by other current and future tours, they should never have granted exemptions in the past to allow players to play other events thAt were not part of the membership agreement.  

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This is on a much smaller scale but people who race dirt bikes for a living are free to race any series or location they want. Does not matter if there is a conflicting event. 

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1 hour ago, ZJBogey2 said:

I still think there is an ecosystem where these two can exist in harmony, similar to WGC events.

LIV and the PGA Tour? Not a chance. They are polar opposite rivals.

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1 hour ago, PeterHenric said:

That was one thing I kind of noticed as well. There is a lot of bouncing around to the point where it’s kind of hard to follow. I’m usually the guy who likes to watch the featured group coverage so you can watch each shot and the parts in between. Hear what the guys are saying, looking through the shot, and then executing.

 

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Why can I not find an online leaderboard?

They didn’t really explain the scoring/team aspect of that. How is it handled? When they started off, I honestly thought that each player was going to play a hole and they just alternate through. That isn’t how it’s done but I was so confused.

I can see LIV getting a decent number of viewers for the first one or two event then it dropping like a rock after the curiosity factor is gone.

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Does anyone know what the team format is, and how scoring works? 18 pages worth of posts and I'm still unsure of the mechanics of the event lol.

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8 minutes ago, ncwoz said:

Does anyone know what the team format is, and how scoring works? 18 pages worth of posts and I'm still unsure of the mechanics of the event lol.

The is an individual component and a team component.   Individual is easy.  Team scores are based on the two plaYers scores on Thursday and Friday and top thr on Saturday.  It is shotgun start so essentially every player has played the same number of holes.  

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Phil looks like a homeless person. The longer hair, the scruff, not a good look.

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1 hour ago, PeterHenric said:

 

They didn’t really explain the scoring/team aspect of that. How is it handled? When they started off, I honestly thought that each player was going to play a hole and they just alternate through. That isn’t how it’s done but I was so confused.

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I've enjoyed the coverage so far. The sidebar does a decent job of giving context (hole, shot number, holes to play) and the commentators give enough extra info that you can get the context for each shot.

The smaller field makes it easier to follow as well - watch for an hour and you pretty much get an idea of how everyone is playing.

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2 hours ago, PeterHenric said:

That was one thing I kind of noticed as well. There is a lot of bouncing around to the point where it’s kind of hard to follow. I’m usually the guy who likes to watch the featured group coverage so you can watch each shot and the parts in between. Hear what the guys are saying, looking through the shot, and then executing.

 

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They didn’t really explain the scoring/team aspect of that. How is it handled? When they started off, I honestly thought that each player was going to play a hole and they just alternate through. That isn’t how it’s done but I was so confused.

 

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Something that I just heard - Even if LIV events can't win you any/much OWGR points, LIV could make their "World Golf Rankings". Giving points to players on all tours and then create a series of majors with Purses that are out of this world. They can then use their ranking system to invite players from all over the world to compete. I know history and tradition is what everyone hopes keeps the current majors but majors are only what they are if it has the best players. 

With as much money as LIV has, it can literally recreate anything. 

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46 minutes ago, TBS said:

Something that I just heard - Even if LIV events can't win you any/much OWGR points, LIV could make their "World Golf Rankings". Giving points to players on all tours and then create a series of majors with Purses that are out of this world. They can then use their ranking system to invite players from all over the world to compete. I know history and tradition is what everyone hopes keeps the current majors but majors are only what they are if it has the best players. 

With as much money as LIV has, it can literally recreate anything. 

Theoretically if they increased their tournaments to 72 hole length, could the OWGR start giving points based on finished in their tournament? Obviously fewer points because of a weaker strength of field (although with the continued wave who knows what direction that ends up going).

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The DP World Tour, formally The European Tour, which had entered into a partnership with the PGA Tour has been quiet on any of this.  No sanctions... yet.  Are they going to follow the PGA Tour lead or will they stay neutral?  Quite a few of the steadfast Euro players made the jump and more could follow, which could devastate their Tour.

Any thoughts from our European spys??

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6 minutes ago, gavinski91 said:

Theoretically if they increased their tournaments to 72 hole length, could the OWGR start giving points based on finished in their tournament? Obviously fewer points because of a weaker strength of field (although with the continued wave who knows what direction that ends up going).

I don't think number of holes matter. OWGR points are given for Dell Match play. I think they could give points now but I've heard LIV has not applied for points.

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22 minutes ago, gavinski91 said:

Theoretically if they increased their tournaments to 72 hole length, could the OWGR start giving points based on finished in their tournament? Obviously fewer points because of a weaker strength of field (although with the continued wave who knows what direction that ends up going).

There’s multiple factors that go into the owgr rankings and # of holes isn’t really a factor. Strength of field. Best to just google it to see all of the factors 

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4 hours ago, Berg Ryman said:

So in the last hour, PGA Tour suspended all those associated with LIV and will suspend anyone else who goes to play... LIV fires back calling the PGA Tour vindictive, and somewhere attorneys for both sides are just getting dollar signs in their eyes. What I wouldn't give to be a part of those legal teams right now.

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3 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

MLB players including some higher profile players play winter ball in the Caribbean during their offseason. 

Yah in the offseason with the blessing of their club. Not even a close comparison here.

 

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4 hours ago, JohnSmalls said:

I gotcha.  In that case soccer (international competition) and racing kind of do allow you to hop back and forth.  IIRC a few years back there was a local WNBA player that would play in a different league overseas in the offseason and report back to her WNBA team for preseason and the regular season.   Depends on the contract but it's not completely unheard of.

*edit:  I completely forgot about the guys from the MLB that go and play in the Domincan, Mexican, and other central American leagues during the offseason. 

There is always the concern with NHL when it comes time for the Olympics and risk of injury. Also, WNBA players often go play in Turkey/Russia during the off season.

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