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4 hours ago, Golfspy_TCB said:

meanwhile... at the LIV tournament (Beware... NSFW)

 

LIV keeps producing great decapitation content

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11 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

To an extent, I think you're right, but I think its going to be difficult to attract advertisers given the Saudi connection.  Its also going to be difficult to get a major network deal, since the major US networks already have some kind of deal with the PGA Tour or one of the Majors.  I think even more critical will be World Golf Ranking points, if the LIV players don't don't play the Majors, they'll kind of fade from view.  None of the majors need to change entry requirements, without OWGR sanction for 54 hole small field no-cut events, players who aren't already exempt won't qualify without playing in multiple qualifying levels.

I'm interested in Liv sticking around for the long haul, but I can't see how you get OWGR POINTS if your not playing 72 holes. You can't get points from 54 holes to match 72 holes, guys have lots more energy only playing 54. 

Anyway you cut it it's not fair...

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Heard peak viewership was all of 90k ppl... That is half of what is was last even when they had the whole weekend to themselves with no NFL or anything else. 

Big picture that is so few people turning on to watch. They made need to find a better platform to stream on, because going to weird timezones are certainly not going to help those number improve. 

4 hours ago, shootmyage said:

anyone that thinks bryson getting a rope scratch across his right eye ( not his neck )  is great entertainment should run not walk to the nearest brain docker 

The broadcast even made a joke about it when it happened...

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22 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Heard peak viewership was all of 90k ppl... That is half of what is was last even when they had the whole weekend to themselves with no NFL or anything else. 

Big picture that is so few people turning on to watch. They made need to find a better platform to stream on, because going to weird timezones are certainly not going to help those number improve. 

The broadcast even made a joke about it when it happened...

i don't think they knew it got his eye .

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On 9/19/2022 at 10:54 AM, Golfspy_TCB said:

meanwhile... at the LIV tournament (Beware... NSFW)

 

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29 minutes ago, shootmyage said:

i don't think they knew it got his eye .

Not wishing harm on anyone...  

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3 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Heard peak viewership was all of 90k ppl... That is half of what is was last even when they had the whole weekend to themselves with no NFL or anything else. 

Big picture that is so few people turning on to watch. They made need to find a better platform to stream on, because going to weird timezones are certainly not going to help those number improve. 

 

Speculating here but I wouldn't put it past Greg and his gang to use View Bots to boost those numbers.

Would be hilarious if a network bought their rights but then went full Elon Musk and backed out last minute due to bots.

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Great OWGR drama today - if you haven't read the letter, please do yourself a favor and read this. 

https://www.si.com/golf/news/liv-golf-players-petition-official-world-golf-ranking-chairman-in-letter

There are so many bad arguments here but it simply comes down to not meeting established criteria, which has been set before LIV was ever created. 

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1 hour ago, TBS said:

Great OWGR drama today - if you haven't read the letter, please do yourself a favor and read this. 

https://www.si.com/golf/news/liv-golf-players-petition-official-world-golf-ranking-chairman-in-letter

There are so many bad arguments here but it simply comes down to not meeting established criteria, which has been set before LIV was ever created. 

Money can buy a lot of things, I'm just saying.

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13 minutes ago, cleve981 said:

Money can buy a lot of things, I'm just saying.

Nah, don't think that will work here. I'm pretty sure its like 50% of the board is PGA tour and DP world tour. The other 50% are reps from the Majors.

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25 minutes ago, cleve981 said:

Money can buy a lot of things, I'm just saying.

Money can’t buy owgr. 

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51 minutes ago, cleve981 said:

threaten them with a lawsuit then buy the judge if necessary. 

 

Also not going to happen. There is criteria to obtain owgr points for a tour. It’s not just something one gets, there’s also a time period for getting them. The liv tour meets very little if any and unless they change their format they won’t be getting any.

This is a bunch of people trying to have their cake and eat it too. 

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I completely agree,  LIV doesn't meet (m)any of the pre established requirements for getting owgr. LIV is basically the same format as the Champions Tour, and it doesn't award OWGR points.

I also see the legal anti trust issues with how the OWGRs are setup.  Take LIV out of it,  say Tiger Woods teamed up with some other billionaire.  They want to put together a limited field event with no cut and give lots of money to charity.  Should it get OWGR points?  Hello Hero World Challenge.

But also,  the pga tour having a seat at the table of deciding what counts for owgr is a problem. The rules are very clear to get points,  run your league(event) for a full year before you can apply.  Which guarantees everyone participating loses all ranking while participating.  Which places a huge barrier on entry. 

There has to be some middle ground solution.  Cam Smith is a top 5 player on the planet,  DJ is top 15. The fields that they are competing in are a strong as the average pga tour event. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

I also see the legal anti trust issues with how the OWGRs are setup.  Take LIV out of it,  say Tiger Woods teamed up with some other billionaire.  They want to put together a limited field event with no cut and give lots of money to charity.  Should it get OWGR points?  Hello Hero World Challenge.

Comparing one event with a tour probably isn’t a good argument in favor of LIV

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24 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Comparing one event with a tour probably isn’t a good argument in favor of LIV

I'm really comparing any liv event with hero.  I think both events should get ranking points. Also see WGC events.

The pga (and the majors) being the votes on what event counts and what doesn't is a potential legal issue. 

Pga events have a cut,  owgr points are handed out to everyone that makes that cut.  that cut is after 36 holes. Winning a 54 hole event should give more points then making the cut on the number and then shooting 80-80 on the weekend. I wouldn't give them the same amount as a 72 hole event. But they deserve some.

Different events of the pga tour give out more points. They are all 72 hole events with the same starting field size and a cut,  why does one give more than another? Currently owgr is given out on the prestige of the event,  not who actually shows up and who you beat. It needs to be cleaned up.

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29 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

he pga (and the majors) being the votes on what event counts and what doesn't is a potential legal issue. 

 

... Kinda like saying the NFL Owners and Roger should not have any say about the Super Bowl and should have let the AFL play in the SB. I never heard any complaints about OWGR until LIV decided to try and either seriously disrupt the PGA Tour or cause it's demise. Same for the rules as I don't remember hearing anyone complain about the requirements for OWGR points before LIV came along. Starting a new league and expecting the rules to change to accommodate them is over par for the course. 

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8 hours ago, cleve981 said:

Money can buy a lot of things, I'm just saying.

It certainly can, however there are a lot of things which have been put in place from keeping this from happening with the OWGR. 

I could get into it, but it would be a long long post. NLU goes into it well and thoroughly. 

That isn't to say there are not conflicts on both sides (including the PGA/DP Tour reps on the OWGR board) long and short of it is that it will come down to the Majors to see if they will grant LIV OWGR. 

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