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Oh great so all of this is going to continue drag on and on ... exactly what everyone needs to stay interested. 

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We have heard about players who accepted lucrative offers to play the LIV Tour.

We also have heard about some players who say they would never play on the LIV Tour.

Has anyone ever heard about a player who refused a bonafide offer from LIV Tour, and if so, how much was the offer?

Also, has anyone heard that a player who was cut from the LIV Tour for poor play?

 

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59 minutes ago, ShimmyCocoBop said:

Has anyone ever heard about a player who refused a bonafide offer from LIV Tour, and if so, how much was the offer?

Also, has anyone heard that a player who was cut from the LIV Tour for poor play?

 

Tiger refused a reported $900 million offer.

Here is an article about the players that were relagated: https://golf.com/news/liv-golf-qualifying-tournament-promotion-relegation-curiosities/

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54 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Tiger refused a reported $900 million offer.

Here is an article about the players that were relagated: https://golf.com/news/liv-golf-qualifying-tournament-promotion-relegation-curiosities/

Good article - except for the fact that the author is convinced no A-list player will join LIV. Lol. I mean...I guess Rahm could be considered an A+ list player, so maybe he's still correct? 

With all the talk that Cantlay has been "taking control" over negotiations within the Player Committee, I'd be surprised if he left to join LIV, but...at this point, who knows? At least we get 4 more months of uncertainty while we wait to see what happens with the merger /s/ ( "/s/" = "sarcasm was used heavily in the previous sentence.)

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18 minutes ago, GolfSpy SAM said:

Good article - except for the fact that the author is convinced no A-list player will join LIV. Lol. I mean...I guess Rahm could be considered an A+ list player, so maybe he's still correct? 

With all the talk that Cantlay has been "taking control" over negotiations within the Player Committee, I'd be surprised if he left to join LIV, but...at this point, who knows? At least we get 4 more months of uncertainty while we wait to see what happens with the merger /s/ ( "/s/" = "sarcasm was used heavily in the previous sentence.)

I wasn't posting it for anything other than the relegation part to show that players are demoted from LIV if they play poorly. 

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12 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I wasn't posting it for anything other than the relegation part to show that players are demoted from LIV if they play poorly. 

The relegation aspect is intriguing.  As a fan of the premier league, I’m looking forward to see how this works out.

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10 minutes ago, Owengeorge13 said:

The relegation aspect is intriguing.  As a fan of the premier league, I’m looking forward to see how this works out.

Relegation also exists on the PGA tour.  Don't play well and you lose your tour card 

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LIV relegation seems very much like guys getting bumped off the main tour.  Of course when they started, there weren't enough players to relegate, but as they keep adding more prominent players, makes sense. And then there is the problem of where do they go play in attempt to get back onto LIV (currently Asian Tour only I beleive?).

I still find the team aspect of LIV pretty interesting - creating a game within the game.  Guys that are out of the running for individual prize money digging deep to try and help the team.  At first I thought it kind of a dumb addition to professional golf but now I like it.

So what is the over/under on the merger happening in 2024?

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4 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

I still find the team aspect of LIV pretty interesting - creating a game within the game.  Guys that are out of the running for individual prize money digging deep to try and help the team.  At first I thought it kind of a dumb addition to professional golf but now I like it.

So what is the over/under on the merger happening in 2024?

The team aspect for me is a deal killer for several reasons that I won’t go into. As for the merger? I think 50/50 is still overly optimistic. 

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11 minutes ago, Preeway said:

The team aspect for me is a deal killer for several reasons that I won’t go into. As for the merger? I think 50/50 is still overly optimistic. 

I agree on the 50/50 bet.  The more big name players that go to LIV, the more challenging the negotiations - particularly as it pertains to players coming back to the main tour.  Am I in the minority here that thinks at least 2 more top 50 players head to LIV in the next few months?

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Just now, fixyurdivot said:

I agree on the 50/50 bet.  The more big name players that go to LIV, the more challenging the negotiations - particularly as it pertains to players coming back to the main tour.  Am I in the minority here that thinks at least 2 more top 50 players head to LIV in the next few months?

Not sure if there is enough time for more big names to jump unless they join Rahm. I would think if it was going to happen it would have already been announced. My money is on Rahm being placed in a tricky spot to take on some relative no namers to join his team since none of the bigger names want to jump ship. I’m still surprised Hatton didn’t join Rahm. 

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On 12/28/2023 at 7:05 AM, Preeway said:

Not entirely certain he was completely serious when he said that. And honestly, the pants/shorts thing shouldn’t even be a thing anymore. Wear a polo and bottoms of your choice. The blaring music thing though. As a side venue or post tournament event, I get. But even I hate it when I can hear other people’s music on the course. 

 

... One of the interesting things about LIV is as far as I can tell for those of us that don't like it, especially where the money comes from and where it is played, have no problem at all if someone else enjoys LIV. But those that are LIV fans seem to take offense that someone else doesn't care for it. 🙄   

... I doubt there is anyone that cares about shorts but music is another story. Music is so subjective and even if you are perfectly OK with music on the course or during a tournament, the chances that someone else is playing your favorite music is pretty slim. 

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I’m even OK with someone playing music I don’t like. Just don’t play it so loud that it interferes with my good time. 

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Sounds like Monahan is stalling, trying to keep his job for a few more months. 😀

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I can’t help but wonder if the new equity partnership is putting  PIF in a lesser position and they are now the ones stalling?

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43 minutes ago, Preeway said:

I can’t help but wonder if the new equity partnership is putting  PIF in a lesser position and they are now the ones stalling?

Going to say it's more on the PGA side. My guess. 

Things keep getting pushed PIF will just drop another 200 million on someone to get the message across to get the deal done.

Either way the delay just kicks all this nonsense further down the road and continues to drive ppl away from watching golf.

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1 minute ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Going to say it's more on the PGA side. My guess. 

Things keep getting pushed PIF will just drop another 200 million on someone to get the message across to get the deal done.

Either way the delay just kicks all this nonsense further down the road and continues to drive ppl away from watching golf.

My sensible side knows this all JM failings. But it would be nice if it wasn’t. 

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17 hours ago, chisag said:



"... I doubt there is anyone that cares about shorts but music is another story. Music is so subjective and even if you are perfectly OK with music on the course or during a tournament, the chances that someone else is playing your favorite music is pretty slim."

I'm not a fan of either shorts or music on the LIV Tour or any tour..

Being a naturally hyped-up person with a quick tempo, I suffer from other people's music getting me off the tempo I prefer to keep me less-jittery.  If you want music on the golf course, use ear buds.  Music should be used to get the fans excited, not the players.  You would think that all players want to remain calm and level.

As far as wearing shorts, you run the risk of professionals looking like celebrities at the Lake Tahoe events, and no one needs that.  Soon LIV's will be looking like the FOG's with shirts out and hats on backwards.

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3 minutes ago, ShimmyCocoBop said:

I'm not a fan of either shorts or music on the LIV Tour or any tour..

Being a naturally hyped-up person with a quick tempo, I suffer from other people's music getting me off the tempo I prefer to keep me less-jittery.  If you want music on the golf course, use ear buds.  Music should be used to get the fans excited, not the players.  You would think that all players want to remain calm and level.

As far as wearing shorts, you run the risk of professionals looking like celebrities at the Lake Tahoe events, and no one needs that.  Soon LIV's will be looking like the FOG's with shirts out and hats on backwards.

Don't think shorts are the issue... I mean we have seen some of the ridiculous outfits companies put golfers in. Hovland... Poor guy. White pants. 

Shorts is something that should never be an issue..imo.

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9 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Don't think shorts are the issue... I mean we have seen some of the ridiculous outfits companies put golfers in. Hovland... Poor guy. White pants. 

Shorts is something that should never be an issue..imo.

Was the white pants comment also directed at @GolfSpy_BNG😆

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Just now, Josh Parker said:

Was the white pants comment also directed at @GolfSpy_BNG😆

That was a golfspy TCG thing. It was a thread of division, much like LIV but for clothing.

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21 minutes ago, Preeway said:

My sensible side knows this all JM failings. But it would be nice if it wasn’t. 

I cant believe he hasnt been bootedyet.  He must have questionable pictures on a few people!  😁

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5 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

That was a golfspy TCG thing. It was a thread of division, much like LIV but for clothing.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Don't think shorts are the issue... I mean we have seen some of the ridiculous outfits companies put golfers in. Hovland... Poor guy. White pants. 

Shorts is something that should never be an issue..imo.

I am with you;  why is what a player wears an issue?   How does wearing slacks make golf better than seeing players in shorts?

 

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2 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I am with you;  why is what a player wears an issue?   How does wearing slacks make golf better than seeing players in shorts?

 

They are allowed to wear joggers and well let's not get onto that haha

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9 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Don't think shorts are the issue... I mean we have seen some of the ridiculous outfits companies put golfers in. Hovland... Poor guy. White pants. 

Shorts is something that should never be an issue..imo.

I agree. Those joggers that leave the ankles showing are a hoot.

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Good ol Rory backtracking on his LIV stance. Pretty sure most of it is so that Rahm can play on the Ryder Cup.

Not sure there’s anyone who changes their stance with the change of the wind.

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16 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Good ol Rory backtracking on his LIV stance. Pretty sure most of it is so that Rahm can play on the Ryder Cup.

Not sure there’s anyone who changes their stance with the change of the wind.

Politicians would call it evolving on the issue, ha ha. Media would say that they received new facts. Sports coach’s call it in hind sight. No matter how you spin it, it is definitely backtracking and not staying committed to your statements. However, it appears LIV is not going anywhere so, there might be a lot of evolving on the issue. Personally not a LIV fan, but I know my opinion doesn’t matter in the least. 

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On 1/1/2024 at 11:20 AM, cnosil said:

I am with you;  why is what a player wears an issue?   How does wearing slacks make golf better than seeing players in shorts?

 

 

... Pretty easy to see here and the ball roll back thread, some people just aren't happy unless they are unhappy. 

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