Liv Golf Central Thread: Events and News

[Undershooter]

21 minutes ago, LICC said:

This is a good point getting missed. Qualifying is a big factor in being eligible for OWGR points.

Its been mentioned a couple of times, just ignored. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 minute ago, Undershooter said:

Its been mentioned a couple of times, just ignored. 

Yup, because people keep making emotions based statements even after admitting that LIV doesn’t meet any of the criteria.

Because of popular names they want the rules changes immediately for their self interests. Just like the players sending a letter to Mr Dawson looking for favor to over turn their bad choices

[Undershooter]

18 hours ago, Chip Strokes said:

i think the OWGR is due for a review anyway. the board is rife with conflicts of interest and how does the BMW PGA winner receive less points than the winner of the fortinet?

im not saying LIV deserves points yet. just that there are a LOT of things in professional golf that probably need a second look. 

The new OWGR criteria bring into account the depth of field much more than they used to, so fields can't be as heavily weighted by a couple of top tier players showing up. The middle and bottom end of the field is much more important now than the prior iteration of OWGR. Limited field events also receive a lot less points now too.

[TBS]

22 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Those that don’t perform well have the Asian tour, similar to those who don’t do well on the pga tour end up on the kft.

I think this needs to be more clearly defined. The difference with LIV and PGA Tour is the contracts. Phil is going to play in every event. He's not getting sent down to play on the Asian Tour. 

(I know he has a lifetime membership to the PGA Tour but he's the only one (I think?). What if Cam goes cold for 2 years. Would they send him down?)

[TBS]

Somebody check the strength of field for The French Open. Maybe even compare it to the Fortinet...

P Reed just missed the cut as a star LIV player who has been in a few Top 10s in LIV.

Just my opinion, cuts are more important than strength of field. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

There are automatic exemptions that these players have. They are either from previous major wins or recent wins on the pga tour to name a couple. Every tournament has various exemptions that allow golfers to play in them despite whatever their world ranking points are. 
 

Example with US Open. It comes with 10 year exemption to the US Open, a 5 year exemption on the PGA tour, along with the same 5 years to the other 3 majors. 

They were just changed last year and took effect pst month. They aren’t just going to change overnight because LIV is a thing and in my reading what changed was how points were awarded and not what is needed from a tour to qualify for being a sanctioned tour.

 

There are two lawsuits. One from the tour and one from the players of which players are starting to withdraw from it or considering like mickelson is. Even if the players dropped their lawsuit or changes nothing and by time the legal stuff plays out from the the LIVs lawsuit the ruling on their OWGR request could be answered.

Ill bow out of more responses to the misinformation in your posts to avoid upsetting the mods with possible future responses

I mean I am in your camp. There are so many times we can point some in the direction of all the true information. In the end I think there are some on this thread that just enjoy the drama that LIV creates and enjoy bringing it to this thread (thank goodness it is only this one thread). I've said it before and I'll say it once again. This forum has a lot to offer and it is too bad that some quite literally only post in this thread. 

This whole thread is one big circle that keeps going around and around with many on one side vs many on the other side. It is very hard to just see it as golf because of all the law suits, drama and activity around LIV and how it has disrupted the professional golfing world. 

Thankfully there the proper people in places to make the appropriate decisions going forward. OWGR in the hands of the Majors and the other LIV stuff in the hands of the courts. 

One last reason I don't truly feel like LIV should get OWGR is again the investment in making sure they comply with the rules that are there. If they are granted them and then due to low viewers and just less uptake in the league what is stopping it to just fold and that money to be put elsewhere because it is in the better interest in the backers. I do believe lIV is here to stay for a while, however I also would not be surprised if one day the rug was pulled from all of them and they were left out to dry with nothing. 

[LICC]

3 hours ago, shootmyage said:

as far as jm goes he had a lot of time to enact the payouts they now have and did nothing until the bottom fell out ..

The increased revenues are from new media rights deals that were just put in place in the past year.

[RickyBobby_PR]

38 minutes ago, TBS said:

I think this needs to be more clearly defined. The difference with LIV and PGA Tour is the contracts. Phil is going to play in every event. He's not getting sent down to play on the Asian Tour. 

(I know he has a lifetime membership to the PGA Tour but he's the only one (I think?). What if Cam goes cold for 2 years. Would they send him down?)

This gets back to the qualifying for events. LIV is going to choose to have the big names play in as many tournaments as possible. Of course those big names have the bigger contracts. So no they aren’t just going to send them down and while I haven’t looked I don’t think it’s performance based, it’s just that when there isn’t a spot on then event roster those not picked have the ability to play Asian tour events because of the partnership.

Correct Phil is the only LIV member with lifetime exemptions, DJ needed to finish this year off to get it.

35 minutes ago, TBS said:

Somebody check the strength of field for The French Open. Maybe even compare it to the Fortinet...

P Reed just missed the cut as a star LIV player who has been in a few Top 10s in LIV.

Just my opinion, cuts are more important than strength of field. 

Strength of field is not longer a criteria as of last month so no need to compare those.

 

[GolfSpy_APH]

Sorry can't help myself. Read an article (not going to bother finding it again) however P Reed is just a goof. Of course when he joined he was all about joining because it enabled him to spend more time with family and he was saying how much of a grind the tour had been, blah blah blah. Yet he has played 5 weeks in September. I know we all know those talking points are a load of it, but common this one really takes it for me. 

[Undershooter]

6 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Sorry can't help myself. Read an article (not going to bother finding it again) however P Reed is just a goof. Of course when he joined he was all about joining because it enabled him to spend more time with family and he was saying how much of a grind the tour had been, blah blah blah. Yet he has played 5 weeks in September. I know we all know those talking points are a load of it, but common this one really takes it for me. 

In fairness, I'd want to get away from Justine as much as possible too.

[shootmyage]

36 minutes ago, LICC said:

The increased revenues are from new media rights deals that were just put in place in the past year.

i doubt that the tour was that hard up for money , so i guess the big money to the players would not happen if not for the new $700 million a year for the media deal 

the old media deal was $400 million a year , that was for sure not enough money , chump change 

[Bang60]

2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Sorry can't help myself. Read an article (not going to bother finding it again) however P Reed is just a goof. Of course when he joined he was all about joining because it enabled him to spend more time with family and he was saying how much of a grind the tour had been, blah blah blah. Yet he has played 5 weeks in September. I know we all know those talking points are a load of it, but common this one really takes it for me. 

I've watched alot of utube video on P Reed interviews and I'm wondering if what he's doing is part of his contract, 1, playing the DP tour and 2, $750 million law suit. That keeps Liv front and center and we all know any news is good news plus it's FREE, and what happens if Reed Wins imagine the PANIC...

[cleve981]

16 minutes ago, Bang60 said:

I've watched alot of utube video on P Reed interviews and I'm wondering if what he's doing is part of his contract, 1, playing the DP tour and 2, $750 million law suit. That keeps Liv front and center and we all know any news is good news plus it's FREE, and what happens if Reed Wins imagine the PANIC...

It may be part of his contract, but he is succeeding at getting on people's nerves along with LIV golf.

[Bang60]

4 hours ago, cleve981 said:

It may be part of his contract, but he is succeeding at getting on people's nerves along with LIV golf.

It’s called “taking one for the team”

 

[silver & black]

This whole LIV vs. the PGA is off the hook dumb. Play where you want and shut the F up about it. I can see both sides (arguments), but I just don't care. I'm tired of the whole thing already. I'll watch either "tour" if it's on my TV. I don't give two sh**s about the politics of it all. I don't really understand why anyone else does either, but, to each their own, I guess.

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[Bang60]

1 hour ago, silver & black said:

This whole LIV vs. the PGA is off the hook dumb. Play where you want and shut the F up about it. I can see both sides (arguments), but I just don't care. I'm tired of the whole thing already. I'll watch either "tour" if it's on my TV. I don't give two sh**s about the politics of it all. I don't really understand why anyone else does either, but, to each their own, I guess.

You could practice what you preach...

[Middler]

14 hours ago, silver & black said:

This whole LIV vs. the PGA is off the hook dumb. Play where you want and shut the F up about it. I can see both sides (arguments), but I just don't care. I'm tired of the whole thing already. I'll watch either "tour" if it's on my TV. I don't give two sh**s about the politics of it all. I don't really understand why anyone else does either, but, to each their own, I guess.

+1. I hope we end up with two entirely separate tours, PGA and LIV. They can play a tournament once a year to check and see which players prevail, so we’ll know if LIV players are at all competitive with PGA players. Otherwise they shouldn’t play together at all during the year, Greg and all LIV players left voluntarily for the money - no path back. The majors have been built with PGA players, yes I know the PGA doesn’t run any of them but without PGA players where would they be today? If LIV wants to build a tradition of their own separate majors, might as well start now.

I can’t stand LIV, due to source of sportswashing funds and it helps there are only 2-3 players I was sad to see defect (DJ, Cam, Brooks/Ancer sorta) and 3 I despise left (Phil, Bryson and Sergio plus Norman). Watched 5 minutes of Portland out of curiosity, no interest beyond that. But I’ve said my why several times, no need to repeat any of it. I’ve also explained why I even bother to read this thread anymore - for pivotal decisions, the rest is pointless nonsense.

I realize some here are pulling for LIV, and that’s their prerogative. Almost no one ever changes their mind on a forum like this, BTDT, why argue? 

This will all be settled eventually, unfortunately it’s going to take a lot longer than I’d like. Flame away, I couldn’t care less…

[ryan.mzzz]

some people post on this thread *like* it’s their job. if I had to guess why they don’t post on other threads, i’d guess the reason to be they don’t actually care about golf, they care about the ratio of pro liv to anti liv posts on message boards like this one. 

[PeterHenric]

In what could very well be a response to their dwindling streaming numbers, they are switching up the format at the end of October in Miami. 

https://www.livgolf.com/news/liv-golf-announces-details-for-2022-team-championship-in-miami

Definitely sounds interesting

[Headhammer]

I really think this thread has run it's course. Maybe we could have a thread about LIV Golf, where we just talk about LIV Golf, rather than hearing the same people tell us over and over again they don't like it?