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29 minutes ago, Headhammer said:

I really think this thread has run it's course. Maybe we could have a thread about LIV Golf, where we just talk about LIV Golf, rather than hearing the same people tell us over and over again they don't like it?

Unfortunately I think it always going to be a part of Liv. I've hidden/deleted more comments in this thread then i care to count. However I'll look at what I can do...

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2 hours ago, Headhammer said:

I really think this thread has run it's course. Maybe we could have a thread about LIV Golf, where we just talk about LIV Golf, rather than hearing the same people tell us over and over again they don't like it?

I think the thread has been fine as of late. If someone doesn't like the commentary, don't read it.

This potential Fox deal is interesting. LIV would actually pay Fox rather than vice versa.

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30 minutes ago, LICC said:

I think the thread has been fine as of late. If someone doesn't like the commentary, don't read it.

This potential Fox deal is interesting. LIV would actually pay Fox rather than vice versa.

I think more than anything there is just some noise that happens in this thread. Ex - Someone new stumbles on it and gives an opinion that the community has already discussed months ago. Or someone comes in and doesn't offer anything other than "I like PGA Tour... or I like LIV".

The one thing that is keeping thread alive is the slow drip of news. I enjoy discussing that. OWGR drama letter last week... Fox deal this week.... Bryson makes a cringe joke about ropes next week.

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The Fox deal is really interesting. Could be a good business move. Might be the dumbest thing ever. 

I have no idea how TV contracts work. Has there been any precedent with an offer like this? Has any group offered to pay to have their product broadcasted on a national network outside of a church service on local channels on a sunday morning or infomercials? 

Also, I've said this before, but I just hate hate hate how this is going to be more politicized with DJT and Kushner getting more involved. Golf is an escape from that. Regardless of how you vote.

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1 hour ago, TBS said:

The Fox deal is really interesting. Could be a good business move. Might be the dumbest thing ever. 

I have no idea how TV contracts work. Has there been any precedent with an offer like this? Has any group offered to pay to have their product broadcasted on a national network outside of a church service on local channels on a sunday morning or infomercials? 

Also, I've said this before, but I just hate hate hate how this is going to be more politicized with DJT and Kushner getting more involved. Golf is an escape from that. Regardless of how you vote.

In most sport cases it is the networks shovelling out hundreds and millions to get the rights to broadcast the sport product. It is very abnormal for a league of this apparent prestige to pay for network time. 

It goes to show that the guys who did left may not have the marketing rights as they may have thought. Also may show that other networks are overpaying for golfing rights maybe?



On the other end for this thread. I am going to maintain it as is. As this is still a hot topic and one that stirs many emotions any new thread those feelings will inevitably just follow. As someone who has to read and moderate the topic it is much preferable to have it all in one location vs many. That being said I will change the title to hopefully steer conversation more towards the events and news and less the backend stuff that gets people fired up. 

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  • GolfSpy_APH changed the title to Liv Golf Central Thread: Events and News

 like i posted a couple weeks ago liv should give fox free rights for a year or two , did not think they would pay fox to run the liv golf , but if they can get the viewership numbers up very high then liv will have some leverage .

the fox deal is the only big news we will see until after zozo in japan . i still think matsuyama will  make up a good japan/korea team as good a the dj team .

question for someone ,   the tour top 20 have to play 20 times in 2023 , does the same  top 20 .players play all year or do the ones that get sick/hurt/play bad get  replaced , if so who replaces a couple of them ., number 21/22 on the world ranking .?

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7 hours ago, Headhammer said:

I really think this thread has run it's course. Maybe we could have a thread about LIV Golf, where we just talk about LIV Golf, rather than hearing the same people tell us over and over again they don't like it?

LOL!...Ah Yes, a thread where everyone can come and praise LIV golf. NO debate, just praise. Really!?!

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4 hours ago, TBS said:

I think more than anything there is just some noise that happens in this thread. Ex - Someone new stumbles on it and gives an opinion that the community has already discussed months ago. Or someone comes in and doesn't offer anything other than "I like PGA Tour... or I like LIV".

The one thing that is keeping thread alive is the slow drip of news. I enjoy discussing that. OWGR drama letter last week... Fox deal this week.... Bryson makes a cringe joke about ropes next week.

Don't you think that the Drip, Drip news is part of the LIV Golf strategy? That's how they remain relevant. IMO

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2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

That being said I will change the title to hopefully steer conversation more towards the events and news and less the backend stuff that gets people fired up. 

... I don't envy your job on this thread.  🤹‍♂️  I guess some can bury their head in the sand and that's fine but to expect others to do the same strikes me as ... Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? And as far as DJT is concerned, any mentions should have absolutely nothing to do with politics and everything to do with him as a businessman since LIV events are at his courses and he is usually very involved so hard to ignore. LIV isn't just about the golf, I wish it were. 

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51 minutes ago, shootmyage said:

question for someone ,   the tour top 20 have to play 20 times in 2023 , does the same  top 20 .players play all year or do the ones that get sick/hurt/play bad get  replaced , if so who replaces a couple of them ., number 21/22 on the world ranking .?

They don’t have to play the same 20 events.  To remain a member if the PGA tour they have a minimum number of events that each player must play.  There are about 40 events during the year to choose from.   If they are hurt and unable to participate, they are granted limited exemptions in future years to make up for what they missed. 

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4 hours ago, TBS said:

The Fox deal is really interesting. Could be a good business move. Might be the dumbest thing ever. 

I have no idea how TV contracts work. Has there been any precedent with an offer like this? Has any group offered to pay to have their product broadcasted on a national network outside of a church service on local channels on a sunday morning or infomercials? 

Also, I've said this before, but I just hate hate hate how this is going to be more politicized with DJT and Kushner getting more involved. Golf is an escape from that. Regardless of how you vote.

Just for reference:  The Pgatour just signed a Television broadcast deal for $700M per year, a nine year deal worth approx. $6.3B. Up Approx. 40% from the last deal.

Now imagine having to pay to have your product Broadcasted. I find that hard to believe.

*numbers are approx.

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"Enormous interest in LIV's media rights" and "bullish about our prospects given our player field and the quality of our product."

Fox didn't even want LIV. What a joke...I'll bet no sport has had to pay to be broadcast. But you can buy anything with enough money...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/liv-golf-will-reportedly-pay-fox-sports-to-air-tournaments/ar-AA12lZqB

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LIV Golf may have finally found a broadcast partner to air its tournaments in the U.S. After companies like NBC, CBS, Disney, Apple and Amazon all rejected the Saudi-backed league, Fox Sports 1 is reportedly close to an agreement with LIV Golf, according to Golfweek.

But there's a twist: Instead of Fox paying for the media rights, LIV will pay Fox for air time. 

Oddly enough, Fox was initially among the broadcast companies that wouldn't work with LIV. That changed when Lachlan Murdoch, the executive chairman and CEO of Fox Corp., reportedly forced the company to be involved with LIV, according to Golfweek.

“There were people at Fox who wanted nothing to do with this,” a source told Golfweek. “They were forced to do it.”

LIV will also produce its tournament broadcast and be responsible for selling commercial sponsorship. Fox reportedly rejected LIV's request for a media rights fee if Fox picks up the league for a second year but the company will reportedly "re-evaluate network placement at a later date." It's unknown if the partnership will start next year or include any of the three remaining LIV tournaments in Thailand, Saudi Arabia or at Trump Doral in Miami.

This deal is a far cry from the "enormous" interest in LIV's media rights that CEO Greg Norman described two weeks ago. Will Staeger, LIV's chief media officer, also told The Wall Street Journal earlier this month that the league is "bullish about our prospects given our player field and the quality of our product."

 

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1 hour ago, shootmyage said:

question for someone ,   the tour top 20 have to play 20 times in 2023 , does the same  top 20 .players play all year or do the ones that get sick/hurt/play bad get  replaced , if so who replaces a couple of them ., number 21/22 on the world ranking .?

That’s a requirement for all tour players to maintain membership.

There is an order for who can get into a tournament. Those outside the limit for the event are alternatives and they fill a spot if anyone drops out regardless of rank. When the top of the rankings aren’t in a field or opens spots for bottom ranked players to get a chance to play

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59 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

That’s a requirement for all tour players to maintain membership.

There is an order for who can get into a tournament. Those outside the limit for the event are alternatives and they fill a spot if anyone drops out regardless of rank. When the top of the rankings aren’t in a field or opens spots for bottom ranked players to get a chance to play

thanks , i thought the 20mil was for the top 20 top players , so if they play bad "joe blow" who no one know could win the big money , love it .

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26 minutes ago, shootmyage said:

thanks , i thought the 20mil was for the top 20 top players , so if they play bad "joe blow" who no one know could win the big money , love it .

I think you are confusing different things. 
 

The prize at the end of the year for winning the tour championship is for anyone in the top 30 of the FedEx cup, that doesn’t mean they are in the top 30 in the world.

The pga tour has a minimum of 15 tournaments that are required to be played to maintain membership, however each member has to play in 25 tournaments unless they have some sort of lifetime exemption, they play an event they haven’t played in the past 3 or 5 years.

Based on performance throughout the year they all gain FedEx cup points.

The top 125 get to the first playoff event. The top 75 then advance to the second event. The top 30 advance to the tour championship. Whoever wins that event wins all the FedEx cup money. If anyone in that field drops out then it’s the remaining 29

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3 hours ago, cleve981 said:

LOL!...Ah Yes, a thread where everyone can come and praise LIV golf. NO debate, just praise. Really!?!

Well, you can mute that thread if it offends you!

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2 hours ago, shootmyage said:

thanks , i thought the 20mil was for the top 20 top players , so if they play bad "joe blow" who no one know could win the big money , love it .

Are you possibly talking about the PIP payout?  This is basically a popularity contest which provides more money opportunities to the top 20 players in the PIP.

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25 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Are you possibly talking about the PIP payout?  This is basically a popularity contest which provides more money opportunities to the top 20 players in the PIP.

https://golf.com/news/four-ways-pip-changing

yes  , this is confusing , it looks like there is around 6 $20mil tournaments other than the majors and play offs . so if i was a lower player and i made the cut last place  at the palmer tournament, do i still have a  chance  to win the big 1st place money , if i do then all jm did was raise the pot for every one ., so if  all the top 20 players don't play good in a big money tournament then its just a normal tournament  with a big pot as they get no big money .

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9 minutes ago, shootmyage said:

yes  , this is confusing , it looks like there is around 6 $20mil tournaments other than the majors and play offs . so if i was a lower player and i made the cut last place  at the palmer tournament, do i still have a  chance  to win the big 1st place money , if i do then all jm did was raise the pot for every one .

The way I understand,  the top 20 PIP players get entry in these elevated events simply based on what they bring to the business and not based on on-course performance.   Players outside the top 20 PIP players will also be in these events; they need to fill out the 144 player field, and if they win they get the first place prize which is some portion of the $20m total purse which is no different than any other tournament.

 

The intent is to get the big name draws for the PGA tour in front of fans more often.  

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