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10 hours ago, IndyArcher said:

So why do pros play golf? Should all of them who have enough to retire with an average lifestyle drop out or give up all their earnings? Seems exceedingly arrogant to presume the motivations and needs of someone else you’ve likely not met. And it’s funny how you don’t paint all those pros who have MORE than DJ as greedy, but he must be because he changed jobs. 
 

Personally, I’m not here to judge ANY of them. Let them decide for themselves what is most sensible. 

That last line summs it up for me--- I could care less where any of them play or if they play or not--- I will not go to any trouble to watch either--- I am like Rev in the sense if it is on during the time I am playing golf myself so be it--- Or if I choose to work in the shop--- That goes for any of the tours---- If I am in the house kicked back and it is on then I will watch. But I do not make any special effort to watch with one exception Masters Week--- The other majors or any other events I can take or leave

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15 hours ago, 550025KV said:

I'll go on record as a 20% interested observer. I'm more interested in seeing how this plays out with the various Tours. Part of that has to do with my disdain for Greg Norman. He's a pompous ass. His countryman Wayne Grady said it best. Google it and you'll see. The quality of field is a joke. They all hide behind the veil of "growing the game". That's total BS. If it wasn't for the $$$, not a soul would have showed up. 

Gotta agree with you 110% about Greg Norman and for me it goes all the way back to his playing days--- The only player in my entire time around golf I disliked and pulled against. Wayne Grady told it exactly like it is. 

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It’ll be on YouTube, so I might catch it to see how it’s covered. But if you’re really looking forward to watching something alternative to pga or DP golf, I’d suggest disc golf.

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Probably not, but then again I do not really watch PGA either.

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Too many Alpha males in one place at one time lol, I actually believe that the World pays way to much to golfers. A bigger percentage of this money should go to charity to help those without the means to help themselves, just saying...

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3 hours ago, BIG STU said:

with one exception Masters Week-

Well... that is a given Stu!  🙂

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The Telegraph are reporting the Bryson Dechambeau & Patrick Reed are joining LIV 😮

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As to keep things in one place all LIV golf threads/topics will be merged into this one. Same rules all apply. No politics, keep it to golf. As this topic is sensitive and we are going to keep discussion to golf any posts which go outside of this will be hidden or deleted. Please report any that do not follow these simple guidelines. 

Discussion about the backing and other more political issues can be discussed on another site or forum as we look to keep the discussion on golf for this topic. 

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Sorry to see Rickie join, he was such a stand up guy (I've witnessed in person). But with where his game has been for the last 2-3 years he's been a ghost on the PGA tour. I'm not going to miss anyone that's joined so far. I will agree with the comments that a big problem is that this league is backed by the Saudis. If Warren Buffett started this league, it would likely be viewed very differently. But I'm not the one who has to sleep at night. 

I also liked the mention of the PGAs tournaments are not really worth watching during the summer. I watch a lot of the PGA starting around the Farmer's at Torrey through the Masters. Then over the summer, I really only commit to watching The Open. I'll try to watch the PGA, U.S. Open, and Memorial.

All the more reason to give more attention to the Ladies in the LPGA! 

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Maybe it's me, but I just see this as the updated golf version of the WHA (except of course the WHA wasn't trying to sportswash). A few decent pros and a bunch of washed up players & nobodies signed huge contracts that NHL teams weren't going to match, within a few years the majority of the decent players were back in the NHL because they realized they weren't playing against the best (and also the grand promises about huge pay and luxury all fell apart) and the WHA was gone a few years later. 

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Bryson and Reed officially join

Good riddance! 

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With both Rickie & Bryson playing in the LIV, Cobra will be looking for new players to sponsor.

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8 minutes ago, fozcycle said:

With both Rickie & Bryson playing in the LIV, Cobra will be looking for new players to sponsor.

Sign me up! As a cobra player that is.

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12 hours ago, GaDawg said:

Competition is good for all businesses. Keeps everyone on their toes....

Others have said it but I don't see this as competition. Sure, DJ and maybe Phil's contracts are an accurate reflection on value but the other guys? No way. They are crazy overvalued. Unrealistic for the PGA tour to compete unless you bring in owners to draft teams like the other American sports leagues.

I've come around that LIV won't fail and unfortunately will end the PGA Tour. They simply can't compete. I think it is going to have horrible downstream impacts on KFT and mini tours and the beloved Monday Qs. 

We need a better golf product, but teams with logos made on Canva is not what we are looking for. Also, the majors won't be the same either. Quality of play will be drastically worse. Maybe not in the next 2-3 years but if LIV becomes the dominant tour, these guys won't have the same type of reps and prep for 72 hole stroke play. 

PGA tour needs to embrace PGL or even LIV. Sign agreements that top 20 players can play, and the other 20 players can be drafted for the 8 events. Reduce the schedule. Elevate some KFT events. Just something because pro golf is going to be miserable for the next few years if not.

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1 hour ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

All the more reason to give more attention to the Ladies in the LPGA! 

A BIG +1 on that one DoP!

 

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20 minutes ago, TBS said:

Others have said it but I don't see this as competition. Sure, DJ and maybe Phil's contracts are an accurate reflection on value but the other guys? No way. They are crazy overvalued. Unrealistic for the PGA tour to compete unless you bring in owners to draft teams like the other American sports leagues.

I've come around that LIV won't fail and unfortunately will end the PGA Tour. They simply can't compete. I think it is going to have horrible downstream impacts on KFT and mini tours and the beloved Monday Qs. 

We need a better golf product, but teams with logos made on Canva is not what we are looking for. Also, the majors won't be the same either. Quality of play will be drastically worse. Maybe not in the next 2-3 years but if LIV becomes the dominant tour, these guys won't have the same type of reps and prep for 72 hole stroke play. 

PGA tour needs to embrace PGL or even LIV. Sign agreements that top 20 players can play, and the other 20 players can be drafted for the 8 events. Reduce the schedule. Elevate some KFT events. Just something because pro golf is going to be miserable for the next few years if not.

Excellent point. This is not market competition, and if LIV wrecks the PGA Tour in this way that would be a very bad outcome for golf fans.

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22 minutes ago, TBS said:

PGA tour needs to embrace PGL or even LIV. Sign agreements that top 20 players can play, and the other 20 players can be drafted for the 8 events. Reduce the schedule. Elevate some KFT events. Just something because pro golf is going to be miserable for the next few years if not.

Another great observation. The big issue is the top 20 or so players needing to get massively paid more. Set up an off-season schedule just for those top players with massive payouts to counter LIV.

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1 hour ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

All the more reason to give more attention to the Ladies in the LPGA! 

I agree BUT... I have to think that LIV is going to make the LPGA product and coverage even worse. 

All LIV would need to do to dismantle LPGA is offer Lexi, Nelly, Lydia, and Minjee a similar outrageous contract. Pull them out of the LPGA to do co-ed team competitions. The Saudi "grow the game" idea fits right in with doing that next year. Also the partnership with Asian tour, pull in more young lady Korean players will hurt LPGA as well.

Pull those players out and LPGA will get ZERO coverage (strength of field clauses in TV coverage). Then all we have left is NCAA coverage... OH WAIT - LIV can start pulling those players for 500k to $1 mil for a 2-3 year contract or an NIL deal then they are gone. 

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Bryson DeChambeau, Patrick Reed will jump to LIV Golf tour

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-bryson-de-chambeau-patrick-reed-jump-to-liv-golf-tour-130120438.html

Look like things are changing daily!

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49 minutes ago, TBS said:

I agree BUT... I have to think that LIV is going to make the LPGA product and coverage even worse. 

All LIV would need to do to dismantle LPGA is offer Lexi, Nelly, Lydia, and Minjee a similar outrageous contract. Pull them out of the LPGA to do co-ed team competitions. The Saudi "grow the game" idea fits right in with doing that next year. Also the partnership with Asian tour, pull in more young lady Korean players will hurt LPGA as well.

Pull those players out and LPGA will get ZERO coverage (strength of field clauses in TV coverage). Then all we have left is NCAA coverage... OH WAIT - LIV can start pulling those players for 500k to $1 mil for a 2-3 year contract or an NIL deal then they are gone. 

Not in a million years would this ever happen. Ever. 

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