Liv Golf Central Thread: Events and News

[Middler]

4 hours ago, PeterHenric said:

I know you take joy in all things negative about LIV but this link says DJ didn’t get fired.

Just as you often paint the PGA in a negative light and favor LIV. At least I’ll admit my POV, unlike you (cue denial).

For the record, while I have zero respect for Sergio, I have nothing against DJ (though he didn’t come off that well in his Full Swing episode IMO). But I’m all for anything that diminishes LIV, like sponsors ending contacts with LIV players. They knew that was a risk they were taking.

Are you really so naive to think when they say “resigned” or “agreed to part ways” it’s never a PR cover for fired when celebs, athletes, CEOs and other VIPs? Even regular people many times. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

4 hours ago, Middler said:

Just as you often paint the PGA in a negative light and favor LIV. At least I’ll admit my POV, unlike you (cue denial).

For the record, while I have zero respect for Sergio, I have nothing against DJ (though he didn’t come off that well in his Full Swing episode IMO). But I’m all for anything that diminishes LIV, like sponsors ending contacts with LIV players. They knew that was a risk they were taking.

Are you really so naive to think when they say “resigned” or “agreed to part ways” it’s never a PR cover for fired when celebs, athletes, CEOs and other VIPs? Even regular people many times. 

 

7 hours ago, PeterHenric said:

I know you take joy in all things negative about LIV but this link says DJ didn’t get fired. https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/35707040/liv-dustin-johnson-adidas-end-15-year-sponsorship-deal

Sergio did get the boot but DJ wanted to start his own brand. Niemann is still sponsored by Adidas so it wasn’t a LIV golf thing.

There is pretty much two sides of this topic. Very very hard to be in the middle. 

I know that I am on one side and would love to go on and on about it, but for various reasons can't, shouldn't and won't. Pretty sure I've written pages here that have never been posted. Just written then deleted as therapy lol

Many of these deals will be cancelled or not continued and both sides will try to spin it in a positive light. Same goes with Phil and his Callaway sponsorship bring paused. 

Convenient (and in some cases true) they end early or about now and easy to see one side as it is because of LIV and the other being that it just ran it's course. Bryson is another example. 

Can we all agree we will be curious to see how the viewer numbers and data will shake out? 

[PeterHenric]

When I comes to Adidas and LIV, they didn’t fire all of their players on LIV. Sergio hasn’t been worth a dime for a long time as far as selling product. Makes sense they got rid of him. Niemann is still an Adidas athlete so it isn’t like they dropped all of their LIV athletes. In the ESPN article, it explains why DJ and Adidas split up and it makes sense. The fact that DJ says he will be still wearing their shoes tells me that it probably wasn’t a nasty split.

[MGoBlue100]

On 2/19/2023 at 1:56 PM, GolfSpy_APH said:

Not to mention I really wish they would go to better venues...

?? I don't understand this comment.  Plenty of the LIV venues (Pumpkin Ridge, Mayakoba, Valderrama, Greenbrier, all the Trump courses) are better than what the PGA Tour plays week in and week out.  It's not Riviera every week for sure. 

[MGoBlue100]

On 2/19/2023 at 2:15 PM, Jim Shaw said:

In my opinion, Cameron Smith was born with an outrageously great skill however his passion is hanging out with his "mates" and fishing. Nothing wrong with that at all, Just one of those naturally great golfers, kind of like, "ok, I will make a great living at golf but it isnt the be all end all for me" 

I think he's changed his mind set a good bit from being a "fishing frat boy'.  Won The Players, won The Open and damn near won The Masters.  Pretty big loss for the PGA Tour.

[GolfSpy BOS]

53 minutes ago, PeterHenric said:

When I comes to Adidas and LIV, they didn’t fire all of their players on LIV. Sergio hasn’t been worth a dime for a long time as far as selling product. Makes sense they got rid of him. Niemann is still an Adidas athlete so it isn’t like they dropped all of their LIV athletes. In the ESPN article, it explains why DJ and Adidas split up and it makes sense. The fact that DJ says he will be still wearing their shoes tells me that it probably wasn’t a nasty split.

I'm just guessing here... but Adidas probably said something like "Hey, we're not getting the exposure we once did with you so the dollars don't make sense anymore."  

Even before DJ packed up for LIV he was playing less and less tour events.  

[shootmyage]

as far as companies getting rid of people , companies all  over are getting rid of people to increase profits .

i  don't know how many on this forum have seen the sports illustrated golf ranking ( https://www.si.com/golf/news/si-world-golf-rankings-jon-rahm-is-no-1-on-our-debut-top-100-list ) , they use one year not two like the owgr , to me its very accurate , i do think adam scott should be higher , its looks to be very fair and unbiased 

i for one will be watching liv golf all year .

don't yet know how deep the pga tour pockets are to keep the elevated events going and the $500,000 deal going , we will see in a couple years .

 

Edited February 22 by shootmyage

[PeterHenric]

5 minutes ago, GolfSpy_BOS said:

I'm just guessing here... but Adidas probably said something like "Hey, we're not getting the exposure we once did with you so the dollars don't make sense anymore."  

Even before DJ packed up for LIV he was playing less and less tour events.  

I could definitely see this as being a part of the discussion. The justifiably could have wanted to pay him less money, and when he wanted control over his shirt that was going to be a non-starter for them, so they mutually agreed to end the relationship. My assumption is that if he was not trying to have control over his shirt that they may have been able to make a deal?

 My biggest point was that he didn’t get fired solely for being at LIV. Niemann is still an adidas sponsored athlete on the LIV tour so they sent firing everyone. 

[PeterHenric]

I just love watching golf in almost all forms. PGA, LIV, LPGA I am here for all of it.

[GolfSpy_APH]

2 hours ago, MGoBlue100 said:

?? I don't understand this comment.  Plenty of the LIV venues (Pumpkin Ridge, Mayakoba, Valderrama, Greenbrier, all the Trump courses) are better than what the PGA Tour plays week in and week out.  It's not Riviera every week for sure. 

Agree the PGA could also go to better venues. However they have limited events across the globe. They could really make a statement by going to some unique and courses which the PGA tour can't or won't due to their field size and more. Not saying the courses arent good. I'm sure some are fine, but they have the opportunity to go to so much better.

[MGoBlue100]

1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Agree the PGA could also go to better venues. However they have limited events across the globe. They could really make a statement by going to some unique and courses which the PGA tour can't or won't due to their field size and more. Not saying the courses arent good. I'm sure some are fine, but they have the opportunity to go to so much better.

LIV is trying to be a global tour, too.  They obviously know that the majority of eyes watching golf are in the USA, but they want to have tournaments in other locations.  Stinks for us trying to watch live golf from Vietnam, etc but it is what it is.  Don't disagree however that some unique Scottish courses, etc that can't handle a big PGAT or DPT event would be fantastic to see with a smaller field (LIV) event.

[Bang60]

1 hour ago, MGoBlue100 said:

LIV is trying to be a global tour, too.  They obviously know that the majority of eyes watching golf are in the USA, but they want to have tournaments in other locations.  Stinks for us trying to watch live golf from Vietnam, etc but it is what it is.  Don't disagree however that some unique Scottish courses, etc that can't handle a big PGAT or DPT event would be fantastic to see with a smaller field (LIV) event.

Wish I could watch the majority of golf tournaments at a convenient time for me on the other side of the world, made Liv tournaments real popular for us lol…

[TylorJudd]

3 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Agree the PGA could also go to better venues. However they have limited events across the globe. They could really make a statement by going to some unique and courses which the PGA tour can't or won't due to their field size and more. Not saying the courses arent good. I'm sure some are fine, but they have the opportunity to go to so much better.

I think the stalemate is the complacency of the PGA tour, something I think LIV has done a great job bringing forward. The PGA needs to be more inclusive. Sorry to say but the US doesn't have all the best courses. They should absolutely be exposing themselves in other countries to grow the game. Get a tournament in mexico, get some more in Europe, get some Asia. s*** I'd love to see those par 6 in japan played. I know there may be regional rights regarding the DP tour and what not but they definitely could do more

[PeterHenric]

Quick little note, LIV has an app that apparently lets you stream the rounds instead of having to use the CW app. We will see tomorrow how well it works but at least we aren’t limited to only using the CW app or potentially needing a cable subscription or something.

[GolfSpy_APH]

4 hours ago, PeterHenric said:

Quick little note, LIV has an app that apparently lets you stream the rounds instead of having to use the CW app. We will see tomorrow how well it works but at least we aren’t limited to only using the CW app or potentially needing a cable subscription or something.

Not to be too harsh here, but didn't they pay cw a bunch of money to have it on their network? 

Offering it for free on their own app seems counter intuitive. They could have just kept to YouTube. 

[berkeleybob]

3 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Not to be too harsh here, but didn't they pay cw a bunch of money to have it on their network? 

Offering it for free on their own app seems counter intuitive. They could have just kept to YouTube. 

That’s an interesting point. I think the app is for non-US markets. Why they aren’t just using YouTube, I can only guess they want data, yours and mine … and to tailor the viewer experience, of course.

My connection to the App Store is Danish in origin, so I can see the app. I wonder if American residents can as well. 

[cnosil]

1 hour ago, berkeleybob said:

That’s an interesting point. I think the app is for non-US markets. Why they aren’t just using YouTube, I can only guess they want data, yours and mine … and to tailor the viewer experience, of course.

My connection to the App Store is Danish in origin, so I can see the app. I wonder if American residents can as well. 

I don’t see a liv app on the apple appstore. 

[cnosil]

9 hours ago, PeterHenric said:

Quick little note, LIV has an app that apparently lets you stream the rounds instead of having to use the CW app. We will see tomorrow how well it works but at least we aren’t limited to only using the CW app or potentially needing a cable subscription or something.

CW is an OTA channel in my area so I wouldn’t need cable, just an antenna.  

[Jnoble89]

2 hours ago, berkeleybob said:

That’s an interesting point. I think the app is for non-US markets. Why they aren’t just using YouTube, I can only guess they want data, yours and mine … and to tailor the viewer experience, of course.

My connection to the App Store is Danish in origin, so I can see the app. I wonder if American residents can as well. 

No LIV app in the apple store for me, either.

[PeterHenric]

2 hours ago, Jnoble89 said:

No LIV app in the apple store for me, either.

You have to search for “livgolfplus” and it pops up. I have it on my iPad and phone now. It SEEMS like it will stream the event plus it has archives of last years rounds as well. 
 

It is weird that you can stream it from the app but that isn’t the weirdest thing about LIV.